Anthurium on Aroideana

From: "ExoticRainforest" <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2007.07.05 at 15:41:58(15941) Several of us are attempting to research an unusual Anthurium sp. That aroid appeared on the cover of the 1989 issue of Aroideana, Volume 12, 1-4. (see attached) It is a most unusual Anthurium sp. That photo was taken by renowned collector Dorothy Henkle (now deceased). Little has been written (that I can find) regarding this plant other than this quote on the inside of the issue: "Anthurium species (section Cardiolonchium) collected by Dorothy Henkle 1981 in central Colombia at 6,000 feet. Leaf is six feet one inch long and almost dwarfs Jack Henkle. Grown by Dorothy Henkle. Photo by Dorothy Henkle." Little else is known about the Henkle specimen and no one appears to know what happened to the rare plant, which may be an species unknown to science, after Dorothy's death. As a member of section Cardiolonchium, the surface of the plant would be velvety in appearance. Noted members of that section include A. crystallinum Linden & André, A. magnificum Linden, A. regale Linden and A. warocqueanum J. Moore. It is somewhat similar to specimens of Anthurium angamarcanum Sodiro and Anthurium marmoratum Sodiro. Dr. Croat has indicated to those of us researching this plant those species are likely one and the same. However, Dr. Ron Kaufmann has found an odd species in northern Ecuador which strongly resembles the Henkle plant. He is currently calling it Anthurium marmoratum but appears to believe it is a new species. (Correct me if I'm wrong Ron). No one is certain if it is the same, or simply resembles her plant. Dorothy moved to Hawaii and collectors there have acquired many of her specimens. I'm in hopes someone there still has this specimen and can help us with additional photos. If you ever saw this specimen in person and have photos, we'd love to hear from you as well! If you were privileged to have seen this plant and have photos or information you are willing to share, I'd love to hear from you. If you have any information at all about this specimen, I'd love to hear from you. If you know where the plant now resides, I'd really love to hear from you! We're especially interested in photos showing the vein structure, and spathe and spadix the plant may have produced, and any measurements you may have taken. Obviously, this one grows much larger than similar species. And don't worry, I'm not going to try to buy your plant if you have Dorothy's plant! I won't even tell where it resides if you don't want that information made public. I just want to learn more about the species. We have some theories regarding the specimen but need more information to pursue learning if they are even remotely possible. Thanks! Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com Attachment: Anthurium-on-Aroideana.gif Description: GIF image _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "ExoticRainforest" <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2007.07.05 at 17:20:48(15942) I received this response today in regard to my post for information on the rare anthurium on the cover of the 1989 Aroideana. At least we now have a place to begin looking! Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com Noted your post on the SUJ. A division of this near-legendary plant is reportedly in a friend's collection in Queensland, Oz so it's still around but apparently not thriving. As Tom has, no doubt, indicated to you and you might have also seen from the plethora of "marmoratums" that the Portilla's offer, the angamarcanum-marmoratum deal is a mess. Clearly, all these new long-leaf Cardios from Colombia and Ecuador that have come into the commercial trade want a binomial, but the fact is that many are still undescribed. Apparently, Jim West's plants from northern Ecuador have been ID'd by Tom as angamarcanum, but I'm rather baffled by what key characters separate the different spp. in the complex. One thing that I have noted about all the plants from this group is that they do get huge over time...I have about 20 plants from a grex that has an undescr. elongate-leaf Cardio as seed parent and "true" Colombian marmoratum as a pollen parent that generate 60 cm long leaves three years from seed with less than 10 cm of stem. I assume that they will attain immense dimensions three or four years hence. Good luck and best regards, Jay Vannini Guatemala City, Guatemala Attachment: Anthurium-on-Aroideana.gif Description: GIF image _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Brian Williams <pugturd at alltel.net> on 2007.07.05 at 21:08:46(15945) Ahh this is a beautiful Anthurium. I remember lusting after it years ago. I tracked it down that Dorothy donated the plant to a botanical garden in California possibly the huntington botanical garden and that it soon died in their care. The track just ended their I am not sure if she gave pieces to anyone or if she kept any for herself. It was thought it could be mormoratum or costatum. I have never seen either this large though. +More First photo is momoratum second costatum _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "ExoticRainforest" <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2007.07.06 at 00:24:56(15948) Thanks Brian. Did you ever hear why they may have lost the specimen? As Jay said in his note, the group appears to not be well defined and identified. Ecuagenera has quite a few different plants on their website identified as one or the other of these species. That is partially why I am curious about learning more about the A. angamarcanum/marmoratum complex. Dr. Croat has indicated to several of us he feels they are the same. However, Ron Kaufmann has reason to believe at least one of his specimens is quite different. Either there are a bunch of variations within the species or a bunch of unidentified plants. Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Williams To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:08 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium on Aroideana Ahh this is a beautiful Anthurium. I remember lusting after it years ago. I tracked it down that Dorothy donated the plant to a botanical garden in California possibly the huntington botanical garden and that it soon died in their care. The track just ended their I am not sure if she gave pieces to anyone or if she kept any for herself. It was thought it could be mormoratum or costatum. I have never seen either this large though.First photo is momoratum second costatum _______________________________________________Aroid-L mailing listAroid-L@www.gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2007.07.06 at 00:33:58(15949) Dear Brian; I diagree that your second plant represents Anthurium costatum. That species occurs only in the Cordillera de la Costa in Venezuela. See my illustration (Fig. 34 in Croat & Lamber, 1986-Aroideana 9: 23. 1986. Where is your plant from? Where is you collection that you called A. marmoratum from? Tom +More Tom Croat, P. A. Schulze Curator of Botany Missouri Botanical Garden Box 299, St. Louis, Missouri 63116 (314) 577-5163 Thomas.Croat@mobot.org Please send images to our FTP Server. ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/incoming/croat ftp://garfile:garden2003@cissus.mobot.org/outgoing/croat -----Original Message----- [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Brian Williams Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:09 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium on Aroideana Ahh this is a beautiful Anthurium. I remember lusting after it years ago. I tracked it down that Dorothy donated the plant to a botanical garden in California possibly the huntington botanical garden and that it soon died in their care. The track just ended their I am not sure if she gave pieces to anyone or if she kept any for herself. It was thought it could be mormoratum or costatum. I have never seen either this large though. First photo is momoratum second costatum _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Geoffrey Kibby <fieldmycol at yahoo.co.uk> on 2007.07.06 at 07:12:48(15950) Hi all, Attached is a photograph I took a few years ago of a plant labelled A. marmoratum in a botanical gardens in Stockholm, Sweden, it was an astoundingly beautiful plant and the leaves from memory were about 3 feet long. It was in flower as can be seen at the left. I always thought it was the equal if not even better than A. waroqueanum. Regards, Geoffrey Kibby +More London On 5 Jul 2007, at 22:08, Brian Williams wrote: Ahh this is a beautiful Anthurium. I remember lusting after it years ago. I tracked it down that Dorothy donated the plant to a botanical garden in California possibly the huntington botanical garden and that it soon died in their care. The track just ended their I am not sure if she gave pieces to anyone or if she kept any for herself. It was thought it could be mormoratum or costatum. I have never seen either this large though. First photo is momoratum second costatum<043 (Medium).jpg> 53513 (Medium).jpg>_______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "ExoticRainforest" <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2007.07.06 at 16:38:52(15954) Right on! This may be a form of, or closely related to, Dorothy's unusual Anthurium. If you check the Ecuagenera website you'll find photos of several that are very similar. As I understand notes from Dr. Croat, these are either variations of Anthurium marmoratum Sodiro which may well be the same as Anthurium angamarcanum Sodiro. Hopefully Tom will enlighten us more on this. In the meantime, Tom and Ron Kaufmann will soon have a discussion regarding the specimen Ron is currently growing in an attempt to determine if his is a unique species. Thanks for the photo! Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com Hi all,Attached is a photograph I took a few years ago of a plant labelled A. marmoratum in a botanical gardens in Stockholm, Sweden, it was an astoundingly beautiful plant and the leaves from memory were about 3 feet long. It was in flower as can be seen at the left. I always thought it was the equal if not even better than A. waroqueanum.Regards,Geoffrey KibbyLondon _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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