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Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
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From: "Harry Witmore" <harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2007.07.09 at 18:00:54(15965)
I believe I got this plant from Brian Williams years ago but I have never
put a tag on it. I thought it was an Amydrium but now I believe it could be
a Rhaphidophora species. It has never flowered for me. Is anyone familiar
with this plant. Brian?
http://www.cloudjungle.com/CloudJungle/Araceae/Unknown/AroidNoid.jpg
Harry Witmore
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From: Sheldon Hatheway <sfhatheway at yahoo.com> on 2007.07.11 at 17:38:50(15968)
It looks like my Raphidophora decursiva, but that's only one lurker's opinion.
Sheldon Hatheway
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To: Discussion of aroids
Sent: Monday, July 9, 2007 11:00:54 AM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
I believe I got this plant from Brian Williams years ago but I have never
put a tag on it. I thought it was an Amydrium but now I believe it could be
a Rhaphidophora species. It has never flowered for me. Is anyone familiar
with this plant. Brian?
http://www.cloudjungle.com/CloudJungle/Araceae/Unknown/AroidNoid.jpg
Harry Witmore
Cloud Jungle Epiphytes
www.cloudjungle.com
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From: "Peter Boyce" <botanist at malesiana.com> on 2007.07.11 at 22:20:44(15969)
Harry,
This is Rhaphidophora decursiva a trans-Himalaynan species from Nepal
eastwards through Bangladesh, N. Myanmar, N. Thailand, N. Lao PDR, N
Vietnam and into SW China. It can get very large (60 + m) tall and is
distinctive for having shoots with the foliage leaves only every 4 - 7 nodes
and the intervening nodes with a barct-like leaf (cataphyll).
Cheers
Peter
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----- Original Message -----
To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:00 AM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>I believe I got this plant from Brian Williams years ago but I have never
> put a tag on it. I thought it was an Amydrium but now I believe it could
> be
> a Rhaphidophora species. It has never flowered for me. Is anyone familiar
> with this plant. Brian?
>
> http://www.cloudjungle.com/CloudJungle/Araceae/Unknown/AroidNoid.jpg
>
>
> Harry Witmore
> Cloud Jungle Epiphytes
> www.cloudjungle.com
>
>
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From: "Harry Witmore" <harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2007.07.11 at 22:49:14(15970)
Thanks Peter, that sounds like this plant for sure.
Harry Witmore
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-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Peter Boyce
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 6:21 PM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
Harry,
This is Rhaphidophora decursiva a trans-Himalaynan species from Nepal
eastwards through Bangladesh, N. Myanmar, N. Thailand, N. Lao PDR, N Vietnam
and into SW China. It can get very large (60 + m) tall and is distinctive
for having shoots with the foliage leaves only every 4 - 7 nodes and the
intervening nodes with a barct-like leaf (cataphyll).
Cheers
Peter
----- Original Message -----
To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:00 AM
Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>I believe I got this plant from Brian Williams years ago but I have never
> put a tag on it. I thought it was an Amydrium but now I believe it could
> be
> a Rhaphidophora species. It has never flowered for me. Is anyone familiar
> with this plant. Brian?
>
> http://www.cloudjungle.com/CloudJungle/Araceae/Unknown/AroidNoid.jpg
>
>
> Harry Witmore
> Cloud Jungle Epiphytes
> www.cloudjungle.com
>
>
> No virus found in this outgoing message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
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From: Helmut Reisenberger <gartenbaureisenberger at web.de> on 2007.07.16 at 11:33:50(15982)
Hi Peter,
Can You tell me the difference between Raphidophora decursiva and Epipremnum pinnatum.
I have somme huge plants of this type in my greenhouse and the leaves are up to 6 ft (2 meters) long.
My original plant is a huge climber - I think the only really big one in Europe - in the HBV (Vienna Botanical Garden).
To my knowledge it always was presented there as Epipremnum pinnatum.
In the history of the identification of E. pinnatum You find a lot of taxinom. changes.
Can You, Peter, as the expert, bring clearness ?
rgds. Helmut
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> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Discussion of aroids
> Gesendet: 12.07.07 00:48:33
> An: "Discussion of aroids"
> Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>
> Harry,
>
> This is Rhaphidophora decursiva a trans-Himalaynan species from Nepal
> eastwards through Bangladesh, N. Myanmar, N. Thailand, N. Lao PDR, N
> Vietnam and into SW China. It can get very large (60 + m) tall and is
> distinctive for having shoots with the foliage leaves only every 4 - 7 nodes
> and the intervening nodes with a barct-like leaf (cataphyll).
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Witmore"
> To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:00 AM
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>
>
> >I believe I got this plant from Brian Williams years ago but I have never
> > put a tag on it. I thought it was an Amydrium but now I believe it could
> > be
> > a Rhaphidophora species. It has never flowered for me. Is anyone familiar
> > with this plant. Brian?
> >
> > http://www.cloudjungle.com/CloudJungle/Araceae/Unknown/AroidNoid.jpg
> >
> >
> > Harry Witmore
> > Cloud Jungle Epiphytes
> > www.cloudjungle.com
> >
> >
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From: "Peter Boyce" <botanist at malesiana.com> on 2007.07.17 at 08:14:09(15985)
Hi Helmut,
The differences (leaving aside the generic ovary/ovule & fruit/seed
differences) are:
Epipremnum pinnatum
Foliage leaves at more-or less one at each node.
Leaves with pin-holes along the mid-rib.
Shoot apex with matted fibrous material
Stems with irregular longitudinal crests.
Rhaphidophora decursiva
Foliage leaves scattered and interspersed bu up to 7 nodes bearing only a
cataphyll.
Leaves without pin-holes along the mid-rib.
Shoot apex without fibrous material.
Stems without irregular longitudinal crests.
Very best regards
Peter
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----- Original Message -----
To: "Discussion of aroids"
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
Hi Peter,
Can You tell me the difference between Raphidophora decursiva and Epipremnum
pinnatum.
I have somme huge plants of this type in my greenhouse and the leaves are up
to 6 ft (2 meters) long.
My original plant is a huge climber - I think the only really big one in
Europe - in the HBV (Vienna Botanical Garden).
To my knowledge it always was presented there as Epipremnum pinnatum.
In the history of the identification of E. pinnatum You find a lot of
taxinom. changes.
Can You, Peter, as the expert, bring clearness ?
rgds. Helmut
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Discussion of aroids
> Gesendet: 12.07.07 00:48:33
> An: "Discussion of aroids"
> Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>
> Harry,
>
> This is Rhaphidophora decursiva a trans-Himalaynan species from Nepal
> eastwards through Bangladesh, N. Myanmar, N. Thailand, N. Lao PDR, N
> Vietnam and into SW China. It can get very large (60 + m) tall and is
> distinctive for having shoots with the foliage leaves only every 4 - 7
> nodes
> and the intervening nodes with a barct-like leaf (cataphyll).
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Witmore"
> To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:00 AM
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>
>
> >I believe I got this plant from Brian Williams years ago but I have never
> > put a tag on it. I thought it was an Amydrium but now I believe it could
> > be
> > a Rhaphidophora species. It has never flowered for me. Is anyone
> > familiar
> > with this plant. Brian?
> >
> > http://www.cloudjungle.com/CloudJungle/Araceae/Unknown/AroidNoid.jpg
> >
> >
> > Harry Witmore
> > Cloud Jungle Epiphytes
> > www.cloudjungle.com
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007
> > 6:32 PM
> >
> >
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From: "D. Christopher Rogers" <crogers at ecoanalysts.com> on 2007.07.20 at 15:25:45(15988)
Hiya Peter,
Do these differences hold just between these two species, or are they good
differences between the two genera?
Happy days,
Christopher
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[mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of Peter Boyce
Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:14 AM
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
Hi Helmut,
The differences (leaving aside the generic ovary/ovule & fruit/seed
differences) are:
Epipremnum pinnatum
Foliage leaves at more-or less one at each node.
Leaves with pin-holes along the mid-rib.
Shoot apex with matted fibrous material
Stems with irregular longitudinal crests.
Rhaphidophora decursiva
Foliage leaves scattered and interspersed bu up to 7 nodes bearing only a
cataphyll.
Leaves without pin-holes along the mid-rib.
Shoot apex without fibrous material.
Stems without irregular longitudinal crests.
Very best regards
Peter
----- Original Message -----
To: "Discussion of aroids"
Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
Hi Peter,
Can You tell me the difference between Raphidophora decursiva and Epipremnum
pinnatum.
I have somme huge plants of this type in my greenhouse and the leaves are up
to 6 ft (2 meters) long.
My original plant is a huge climber - I think the only really big one in
Europe - in the HBV (Vienna Botanical Garden).
To my knowledge it always was presented there as Epipremnum pinnatum.
In the history of the identification of E. pinnatum You find a lot of
taxinom. changes.
Can You, Peter, as the expert, bring clearness ?
rgds. Helmut
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Discussion of aroids
> Gesendet: 12.07.07 00:48:33
> An: "Discussion of aroids"
> Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>
> Harry,
>
> This is Rhaphidophora decursiva a trans-Himalaynan species from Nepal
> eastwards through Bangladesh, N. Myanmar, N. Thailand, N. Lao PDR, N
> Vietnam and into SW China. It can get very large (60 + m) tall and is
> distinctive for having shoots with the foliage leaves only every 4 - 7
> nodes
> and the intervening nodes with a barct-like leaf (cataphyll).
>
> Cheers
>
> Peter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Harry Witmore"
> To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:00 AM
> Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>
>
> >I believe I got this plant from Brian Williams years ago but I have never
> > put a tag on it. I thought it was an Amydrium but now I believe it could
> > be
> > a Rhaphidophora species. It has never flowered for me. Is anyone
> > familiar
> > with this plant. Brian?
> >
> > http://www.cloudjungle.com/CloudJungle/Araceae/Unknown/AroidNoid.jpg
> >
> >
> > Harry Witmore
> > Cloud Jungle Epiphytes
> > www.cloudjungle.com
> >
> >
> > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007
> > 6:32 PM
> >
> >
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From: Helmut Reisenberger <gartenbaureisenberger at web.de> on 2007.07.25 at 09:44:49(15999)
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Discussion of aroids
> Gesendet: 21.07.07 22:01:20
> An: "Discussion of aroids"
> Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
Hallo Christopher Rogers,
ThankŽs for your contribution to the theme. I also want to thank Peter for his helpful advice.
To all the aroiders IŽd like to start a further discussion about distinguishing beetween Monstera/Epipremnum/Pothos/
Raphidophorum/Amydrium and other very similar genera, so far that the origin of the single species is not known.
I have, gathered, from different collections in Europe, a wide variety of lookalikes and would appreciate any help in identification. The Aroid Identification Center of course is a valuable help, but sometimes I get no results (eg. my Id request of an Anthurium, where even TomŽs identification is still not satisfactory) or at least not to helpful.
Regarding Monstera, Raphidophorum & Co, can anybody recommend any helpful literatur (additional to the renowned books
of Bogner, Mayo, Boyce; Deni Bown; Tom Croat or widespread articles in Aoideana)?
Can anybody name a specialized expert on these genera?
I can take picts of my "aliens" and would like to put them in the net, while I do the same in Aroid-ID.
Best regards
Helmut
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> Hiya Peter,
>
> Do these differences hold just between these two species, or are they good
> differences between the two genera?
>
> Happy days,
> Christopher
>
> D. Christopher Rogers
> Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist
> ((,///////////=====<
>
> EcoAnalysts, Inc.
> (530) 406-1178
> 707 Dead Cat Alley
> Suite 201
> Woodland, CA 95695 USA
>
> ? Invertebrate Taxonomy
> ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies
> ? Bioassessment and Study Design
> ? Endangered Invertebrate Species
> ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton
> ? Zooplankton
>
>
> Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Joplin, MO ? Selinsgrove, PA
> www.ecoanalysts.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com
> [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of Peter Boyce
> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:14 AM
> To: Discussion of aroids
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>
> Hi Helmut,
>
> The differences (leaving aside the generic ovary/ovule & fruit/seed
> differences) are:
>
> Epipremnum pinnatum
> Foliage leaves at more-or less one at each node.
> Leaves with pin-holes along the mid-rib.
> Shoot apex with matted fibrous material
> Stems with irregular longitudinal crests.
>
> Rhaphidophora decursiva
> Foliage leaves scattered and interspersed bu up to 7 nodes bearing only a
> cataphyll.
> Leaves without pin-holes along the mid-rib.
> Shoot apex without fibrous material.
> Stems without irregular longitudinal crests.
>
> Very best regards
>
> Peter
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Helmut Reisenberger"
> To: "Discussion of aroids"
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 7:33 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>
>
> Hi Peter,
> Can You tell me the difference between Raphidophora decursiva and Epipremnum
> pinnatum.
> I have somme huge plants of this type in my greenhouse and the leaves are up
> to 6 ft (2 meters) long.
> My original plant is a huge climber - I think the only really big one in
> Europe - in the HBV (Vienna Botanical Garden).
> To my knowledge it always was presented there as Epipremnum pinnatum.
> In the history of the identification of E. pinnatum You find a lot of
> taxinom. changes.
> Can You, Peter, as the expert, bring clearness ?
> rgds. Helmut
>
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: Discussion of aroids
> > Gesendet: 12.07.07 00:48:33
> > An: "Discussion of aroids"
> > Betreff: Re: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
>
>
> >
> > Harry,
> >
> > This is Rhaphidophora decursiva a trans-Himalaynan species from Nepal
> > eastwards through Bangladesh, N. Myanmar, N. Thailand, N. Lao PDR, N
> > Vietnam and into SW China. It can get very large (60 + m) tall and is
> > distinctive for having shoots with the foliage leaves only every 4 - 7
> > nodes
> > and the intervening nodes with a barct-like leaf (cataphyll).
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Peter
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Harry Witmore"
> > To: "'Discussion of aroids'"
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 2:00 AM
> > Subject: [Aroid-l] Amydrium or Rhaphidophora
> >
> >
> > >I believe I got this plant from Brian Williams years ago but I have never
> > > put a tag on it. I thought it was an Amydrium but now I believe it could
> > > be
> > > a Rhaphidophora species. It has never flowered for me. Is anyone
> > > familiar
> > > with this plant. Brian?
> > >
> > > http://www.cloudjungle.com/CloudJungle/Araceae/Unknown/AroidNoid.jpg
> > >
> > >
> > > Harry Witmore
> > > Cloud Jungle Epiphytes
> > > www.cloudjungle.com
> > >
> > >
> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.
> > > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/891 - Release Date: 7/8/2007
> > > 6:32 PM
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> >
> >
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