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blue anthuriums

From: Jason Hernandez <jason.hernandez74 at yahoo.com> on 2011.11.16 at 23:42:33(22295)
Also, it is important to note that "true blue" is rare throughout the plant kingdom. There are a few taxa with genuinely blue flowers, but the majority of "blue" flowers have more or less purplish or lavender color to them. Blue pansies, blue cornflowers, and blue asters come to mind.
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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:28:24 -0500
From: Corey W
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
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Jude - I don't doubt that there might be some real blues (or getting close
to it!) given some of the deep purples I've seen the varieties have, but
I
think if you saw them in person you'd realize these were not giving some
orchid breeder out there the hybridizer happy dance. It looks off, like the
flowers were painted with watercolor or something! It was more glaring due
to the "natural" untreated hybrids right next to them.
Susan- thanks for the info on the company. Interesting that the treatment
lasts so long! I agree, ick no matter the flower :( also kind of feels
like cheating? I want some yellow micro sinningias (gesneriads), but I
don't want to treat them to get it. I'd rather do the happy hybridizer
dance after a long time trying to mix and mold genetics that may not want
to play my game.
On Nov 15, 2011 12:16 AM, "Susan B" wrote:
> Yes, this is the same proprietary treatment that makes
the blue orchids.
> Supposedly it is a little more than the old "put the white carnation in the
> food dye" trick. From what I understand the first flowers on the orchid
> are dark blue, the next set lighter- the next lighter yet. They eventually
> get back to white but it takes a while-
> Rijinplants I think is the name of the company, they licensed the
> treatment and are making the blue and also yellow anthuriums.
>
> Still, ick.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Marek Argent
> *To:* Discussion of aroids
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:41 AM
>
*Subject:* Re: [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
>
> Dear Susan,
>
> These are white, green or pink Anthuriums watered with a pigment, the
> same they do to the blue roses, Dendranthemas and other pot plants. The
> colour lasts until the spathes wither, at home when it blooms again, you
> will see the real colour.
> So far nobody has done an aroid that blooms blue, although some species of
> Amorphophallus have pretty blue berries.
>
> Marek
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Susan B
> *To:* Aroid L
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:25
AM
> *Subject:* [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
>
> Now they're going too far! ugh.
> ------------------------------
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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2011.11.18 at 04:25:06(22306)
There are truly blue species in the Campanulaceae, and of course the many gentians are also truly blue; other familes are spiderwort family (Commelinaceae), and the extraordinary genus Tecophilia. Even the orchids manage it with the lieks of Herschelia graminifolia and at least two Thelymitra (T. ixioides & T. macrophylla).
PeterHerschelia graminifoliaHerschelia graminifolia
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Also, it is important to note that "true blue" is rare throughout the plant kingdom. There are a few taxa with genuinely blue flowers, but the majority of "blue" flowers have more or less purplish or lavender color to them. Blue pansies, blue cornflowers, and blue asters come to mind.
Jason Hernandez

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Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:28:24 -0500
From: Corey W
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
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Jude - I don't doubt that there might be some real blues (or getting close
to it!) given some of the deep purples I've seen the varieties have, but I
think if you saw them in person you'd realize these were not giving some
orchid breeder out there the hybridizer happy dance. It looks off, like the
flowers were painted with watercolor or something! It was more glaring due
to the "natural" untreated hybrids right next to them.
Susan- thanks for the info on the company. Interesting that the treatment
lasts so long! I agree, ick no matter the flower :( also kind of feels
like cheating? I want some yellow micro sinningias (gesneriads), but I
don't want to treat them to get it. I'd rather do the happy hybridizer
dance after a long time trying to mix and mold genetics that may not want
to play my game.
On Nov 15, 2011 12:16 AM, "Susan B" wrote:
> Yes, this is the same proprietary treatment that makes the blue orchids.
> Supposedly it is a little more than the old "put the white carnation in the
> food dye" trick. From what I understand the first flowers on the orchid
> are dark blue, the next set lighter- the next lighter yet. They eventually
> get back to white but it takes a while-
> Rijinplants I think is the name of the company, they licensed the
> treatment and are making the blue and also yellow anthuriums.
>
> Still, ick.
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Marek Argent
> *To:* Discussion of aroids
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:41 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
>
> Dear Susan,
>
> These are white, green or pink Anthuriums watered with a pigment, the
> same they do to the blue roses, Dendranthemas and other pot plants. The
> colour lasts until the spathes wither, at home when it blooms again, you
> will see the real colour.
> So far nobody has done an aroid that blooms blue, although some species of
> Amorphophallus have pretty blue berries.
>
> Marek
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Susan B
> *To:* Aroid L
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:25 AM
> *Subject:* [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
>
> Now they're going too far! ugh.
> ------------------------------
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From: Hannon <othonna at gmail.com> on 2011.11.18 at 06:16:17(22310)
I would not say truly blue flowers are generally "rare" but a majority of
horticulturally well-known, conspicuous groups seem to lack them entirely,
such as roses, begonias, day lilies, zinnias, cannas, etc. I think this
heightens the impression that blue is a scarce pigment in flowers.
I'll add a few more that strike me as uber blue: Meconopsis betonicifolia,
Anagallis monelli, Clitoria ternatea, Ceratostigma, Cynoglossum, Zephyra.
Maybe Hydrangea, too?
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On 17 November 2011 20:25, Peter Boyce wrote:
> There are truly blue species in the Campanulaceae, and of course the many
> gentians are also truly blue; other familes are spiderwort family
> (Commelinaceae), and the extraordinary genus *Tecophilia*. Even the
> orchids manage it with the lieks of *Herschelia graminifolia *and at
> least two *Thelymitra* (*T. ixioides* & *T. macrophylla*). ****
>
> ** **
>
> Peter*Herschelia* graminifolia*Herschelia* graminifolia****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:
> aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] *On Behalf Of *Jason Hernandez
> *Sent:* Thursday, 17 November, 2011 7:43 AM
> *To:* aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Aroid-l] blue anthuriums****
>
> ** **
>
> Also, it is important to note that "true blue" is rare throughout the
> plant kingdom. There are a few taxa with genuinely blue flowers, but the
> majority of "blue" flowers have more or less purplish or lavender color to
> them. Blue pansies, blue cornflowers, and blue asters come to mind.
>
> Jason Hernandez****
>
> Naturalist-at-Large****
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:28:24 -0500
> From: Corey W
> >
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
> To: Discussion of aroids
> >
> Message-ID:
>
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Jude - I don't doubt that there might be some real blues (or getting close
> to it!) given some of the deep purples I've seen the varieties have, but I
> think if you saw them in person you'd realize these were not giving some
> orchid breeder out there the hybridizer happy dance. It looks off, like the
> flowers were painted with watercolor or something! It was more glaring due
> to the "natural" untreated hybrids right next to them.
>
> Susan- thanks for the info on the company. Interesting that the treatment
> lasts so long! I agree, ick no matter the flower :( also kind of feels
> like cheating? I want some yellow micro sinningias (gesneriads), but I
> don't want to treat them to get it. I'd rather do the happy hybridizer
> dance after a long time trying to mix and mold genetics that may not want
> to play my game.
> On Nov 15, 2011 12:16 AM, "Susan B" >
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, this is the same proprietary treatment that makes the blue orchids.
> > Supposedly it is a little more than the old "put the white carnation in
> the
> > food dye" trick. From what I understand the first flowers on the orchid
> > are dark blue, the next set lighter- the next lighter yet. They
> eventually
> > get back to white but it takes a while-
> > Rijinplants I think is the name of the company, they licensed the
> > treatment and are making the blue and also yellow anthuriums.
> >
> > Still, ick.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Marek Argent
> >
> > *To:* Discussion of aroids
> >
> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:41 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
> >
> > Dear Susan,
> >
> > These are white, green or pink Anthuriums watered with a pigment, the
> > same they do to the blue roses, Dendranthemas and other pot plants. The
> > colour lasts until the spathes wither, at home when it blooms again, you
> > will see the real colour.
> > So far nobody has done an aroid that blooms blue, although some species
> of
> > Amorphophallus have pretty blue berries.
> >
> > Marek
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Susan B
> >
> > *To:* Aroid L
> >
> > *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:25 AM
> > *Subject:* [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
> >
> > Now they're going too far! ugh.
> > ------------------------------
> > _______________________________________________****
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like cheating? I want some yellow micro sinningias (gesneriads), but I
d on't want to treat them to get it. I'd rather do the happy hybridiz er
dance after a long time trying to mix and mold genetics that may not want
to play my game.
On Nov 15, 2011 12:16 AM, "Susan B" <honeybunny442@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes , this is the same proprietary treatment that makes the blue orchids.
> Supposedly it is a little more than the old "put the white carnat ion in the
> food dye" trick. From what I understand the firs t flowers on the orchid
> are dark blue, the next set lighter- the ne xt lighter yet. They eventually
> get back to white but it takes a while-
> Rijinplants I think is the name of the company, they licensed the
> treatment and are makin g the blue and also yellow anthuriums.
>
> Still, ick.
>< br>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Marek Argent <abri1973@wp.pl>
> *To:* Discussion of aroids << a href="http://us.mc450.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aroid-l@www.gizmow orks.com" target="_blank">aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com>
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:41 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Aroi d-l] Blue Anthuriums
>
> Dear Susan,
>
> These a re white, green or pink Anthuriums watered with a pigment, the
> same they do to the blue roses, Dendranthemas and other pot plants. The
> colour lasts until the spathes wither, at home when it blooms again, y ou
> will see the real colour.
> So far nobody has done an aroi d that blooms blue, although some species of
> Amorphophallus have pr etty blue berries.
>
> Marek
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *Fr om:* Susan B <honeybunny442@yahoo.com>< br>
> *To:* Aroid L <Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com& gt;
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:25 AM
> *Subject:* [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
>
> Now they're going too far! ugh.
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From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2011.11.18 at 17:24:57(22314)
Some true blue flowers from my garden:

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/ranunculaceae/aconitumnapellus.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/lamiaceae/ajugareptans.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/ranunculaceae/aquilegiavulgaris2.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/campanulaceae/campanulapersicifolia.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/campanulaceae/campanulabali.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/asteraceae/cichoriumintybus.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/asteraceae/echinopsritro.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/gentianaceae/gentianaaffinis.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/asparagaceae/hyacinthusorientalisblue.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/iridaceae/irissibirica.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/asparagaceae/muscariarmeniacum.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/asparagaceae/muscarivaleriefinnis.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/boraginaceae/omphalodesverna.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/polemoniaceae/polemoniumcaeruleum.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/asparagaceae/scillasibirica.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/commelinaceae/tradescantiaandersonii1.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/plantaginaceae/veronicaspicata.htm

http://veschort.abrimaal.pro-e.pl/violaceae/violamirabilis.htm

Best,

Marek

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From: Deni Bown <denibown at googlemail.com> on 2011.11.18 at 18:39:21(22316)
True, true blue is rare. Gentians are the standard "true blue" in flowers
but there are more genuinely true blue flowers i.e. without any pink/purple
pigments in the flora of Western Australia than any place else. Roadsides
are lined with startling blue *Leschenaultia biloba, *which are as blue as
any gentian, and there are ice blue orchids such as *Thelymitra deformis * and
*Caladenia crinata *. Why is the next question? Western Australia has a
high degree of endemism in both plants and animals so should we be looking
at pollinators?

Deni Bown, Nigeria

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On 17 November 2011 00:42, Jason Hernandez wrote:

> Also, it is important to note that "true blue" is rare throughout the
> plant kingdom. There are a few taxa with genuinely blue flowers, but the
> majority of "blue" flowers have more or less purplish or lavender color to
> them. Blue pansies, blue cornflowers, and blue asters come to mind.
>
> Jason Hernandez
> Naturalist-at-Large
>
> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2011 00:28:24 -0500
> From: Corey W
> >
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
> To: Discussion of aroids
> >
> Message-ID:
>
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Jude - I don't doubt that there might be some real blues (or getting close
> to it!) given some of the deep purples I've seen the varieties have, but I
> think if you saw them in person you'd realize these were not giving some
> orchid breeder out there the hybridizer happy dance. It looks off, like the
> flowers were painted with watercolor or something! It was more glaring due
> to the "natural" untreated hybrids right next to them.
>
> Susan- thanks for the info on the company. Interesting that the treatment
> lasts so long! I agree, ick no matter the flower :( also kind of feels
> like cheating? I want some yellow micro sinningias (gesneriads), but I
> don't want to treat them to get it. I'd rather do the happy hybridizer
> dance after a long time trying to mix and mold genetics that may not want
> to play my game.
> On Nov 15, 2011 12:16 AM, "Susan B" >
> wrote:
>
> > Yes, this is the same proprietary treatment that makes the blue orchids.
> > Supposedly it is a little more than the old "put the white carnation in
> the
> > food dye" trick. From what I understand the first flowers on the orchid
> > are dark blue, the next set lighter- the next lighter yet. They
> eventually
> > get back to white but it takes a while-
> > Rijinplants I think is the name of the company, they licensed the
> > treatment and are making the blue and also yellow anthuriums.
> >
> > Still, ick.
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* Marek Argent
> >
> > *To:* Discussion of aroids
> >
> > *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:41 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
> >
> > Dear Susan,
> >
> > These are white, green or pink Anthuriums watered with a pigment, the
> > same they do to the blue roses, Dendranthemas and other pot plants. The
> > colour lasts until the spathes wither, at home when it blooms again, you
> > will see the real colour.
> > So far nobody has done an aroid that blooms blue, although some species
> of
> > Amorphophallus have pretty blue berries.
> >
> > Marek
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > *From:* Susan B
> >
> > *To:* Aroid L
> >
> > *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:25 AM
> > *Subject:* [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
> >
> > Now they're going too far! ugh.
> > ------------------------------
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
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to the "natural" untreated hybrids right next to them.

Sus an- thanks for the info on the company. Interesting that the treatment
l asts so long! I agree, ick no matter the flower :( also kind of feels

like cheating? I want some yellow micro sinningias (gesneriads), but I
d on't want to treat them to get it. I'd rather do the happy hybridiz er
dance after a long time trying to mix and mold genetics that may not want

to play my game.
On Nov 15, 2011 12:16 AM, "Susan B" <honeybunny442@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yes , this is the same proprietary treatment that makes
the blue orchids.
> Supposedly it is a little more than the old &quo t;put the white carnation in the
> food dye" trick. From what I understand the first flowers on the orchid
> are dark blue, the ne xt set lighter- the next lighter yet. They eventually

> get back to white but it takes a while-
> Rijinplants I think is the name of the company, they licensed the
> treatment and are makin g the blue and also yellow anthuriums.
>
> Still, ick.

> ------------------------------
> *From:* Marek Argent <abri1973@wp.pl>
> *To:* Discussion of aroids << a href="http://us.mc450.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aroid-l@www.gizmow orks.com" target="_blank">aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com>

> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2011 7:41 AM
>
*Subject:* Re: [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
>
> Dear Susan,
>
> These are white, green or pink Anthuriums watered with a pigm ent, the
> same they do to the blue roses, Dendranthemas and other po t plants. The

> colour lasts until the spathes wither, at home when it blooms again, y ou
> will see the real colour.
> So far nobody has done an aroi d that blooms blue, although some species of
> Amorphophallus have pr etty blue berries.

>
> Marek
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *Fr om:* Susan B <honeybunny442@yahoo.com>< br>

> *To:* Aroid L <Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com& gt;
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 12, 2011 1:25
AM
> *Subject:* [Aroid-l] Blue Anthuriums
>
> Now the y're going too far! ugh.
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From: Sheldon Hatheway <sfhatheway at yahoo.com> on 2011.11.18 at 19:22:48(22317)
And don't forget Mecaonopsis, the lovely blue Himalayan Poppy.

Sheldon

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From: Corey W <cewickliffe at gmail.com> on 2011.11.18 at 23:37:21(22329)
I doubt it's the pigment that's rare, just it's expression WITHOUT the expression of others to get in the way/mix with that is rare/uncommon. Blue animals are rare in the animal kingdom, but it's more that it's always mixed with stuff and rarely seen only by itself and over a majority of an animal - even in aposematic animals! It probably runs more rampant in some groups and other groups may lack the ability entirely (like our lovely Anthuriums? Do they make purples?).

Another thing to think about is pollinators for plants... they often pic their colors with purpose to visually capture the attention of those they want. Who is attracted to the strong blue spectrum more than other spectrums?

Corey

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