Sauromatum

From: "Susan Cooper" SCooper at cooperpower.com> on 2000.08.02 at 18:42:43(5208) I'm reposting this message as my original came through blank. Warning to all about our fiend, oops, I mean friend Bonaventure. I asked him for a few tubers last year and he sent me about 40! One of them looks a little strange. I'll have to take a picture, although I have kind of a cruddy camera. The plant appears perfectly happy but has a bump or ball about 3 inches up the stem. This is a small plant, only about 5-6" (14cm?) so far. The abberation doesn't look like an injury. Ah, this is too hard to explain. I'll try to get a picture. Susan +More zone 5 Take my Sauromatums, please! I am looking for a way to eat them. Does anyone have a good recipe, because I have a real CROP!!! Y'all come down to my house with bushel baskets! And to think that I fussed and fretted over the first tuber I got. Bonaventure Magrys Elizabeth, NJ zone 6a

From: plantnut at macconnect.com (plantnut) on 2000.08.02 at 22:01:06(5211) Carefull, you might have Gonatopus! No, that is not a sexually transmitted disease... just one hell of a pest in the garden if it escapes... The 'bump' in the stem is the clue.... Dewey +More >I'm reposting this message as my original came through blank. >Warning to all about our fiend, oops, I mean friend Bonaventure. I asked >him for a few tubers last year and he sent me about 40! >One of them looks a little strange. I'll have to take a picture, although >I have kind of a cruddy camera. The plant appears perfectly happy but has >a bump or ball about 3 inches up the stem. This is a small plant, only >about 5-6" (14cm?) so far. The abberation doesn't look like an injury. >Ah, this is too hard to explain. I'll try to get a picture. >Susan >zone 5 > > >Take my Sauromatums, please! >I am looking for a way to eat them. Does anyone have a good recipe, because >I have a real CROP!!! >Y'all come down to my house with bushel baskets! >And to think that I fussed and fretted over the first tuber I got. >Bonaventure Magrys >Elizabeth, NJ zone 6a Your source for Tropical Araceae. You are invited to visit:

From: "Susan Cooper" SCooper at cooperpower.com> on 2000.08.03 at 14:27:14(5216) Ah, thank you, Dewey! Although my zone 5 isn't friendly to escaped aroids, you never know. Maybe my raspberries and strawberries can do battle with it (I think they are determined to take over the world- both grow faster than kudzu). The plant in question is in a little pot now, and I'll keep an eye on it.... >>> plantnut@macconnect.com 08/02/00 05:01PM >>> Carefull, you might have Gonatopus! No, that is not a sexually transmitted disease... just one hell of a pest in the garden if it escapes... The 'bump' in the stem is the clue.... Dewey +More >I'm reposting this message as my original came through blank. >Warning to all about our fiend, oops, I mean friend Bonaventure. I asked >him for a few tubers last year and he sent me about 40! >One of them looks a little strange. I'll have to take a picture, although >I have kind of a cruddy camera. The plant appears perfectly happy but has >a bump or ball about 3 inches up the stem. This is a small plant, only >about 5-6" (14cm?) so far. The abberation doesn't look like an injury. >Ah, this is too hard to explain. I'll try to get a picture. >Susan >zone 5 > > >Take my Sauromatums, please! >I am looking for a way to eat them. Does anyone have a good recipe, because >I have a real CROP!!! >Y'all come down to my house with bushel baskets! >And to think that I fussed and fretted over the first tuber I got. >Bonaventure Magrys >Elizabeth, NJ zone 6a Your source for Tropical Araceae. You are invited to visit:

From: MAIL13A/SHU%SHU at shu.edu on 2000.08.07 at 18:43:01(5252) The "fiend" writes - Sue, still don't have any of those Gonadotopons in my yard, none dropped there. That species then may have truly supernatural abilities to spread. A thought on bulblet production and the particular success of digging around or rototilling in propagating and increasing numbers of some of these bulbous species: +More it would seem to me that they would be excellent food for certain rooting herbivores such as wild hogs. These may dig up the large bulbs which would have developed an evolutionary strategy to then disseminate bulblets over a wider area. Bonaventure 09:27 AM Subject: Re: Sauromatum Ah, thank you, Dewey! Although my zone 5 isn't friendly to escaped aroids, you never know. Maybe my raspberries and strawberries can do battle with it (I think they are determined to take over the world- both grow faster than kudzu). The plant in question is in a little pot now, and I'll keep an eye on it.... >>> plantnut@macconnect.com 08/02/00 05:01PM >>> Carefull, you might have Gonatopus! No, that is not a sexually transmitted disease... just one hell of a pest in the garden if it escapes... The 'bump' in the stem is the clue.... Dewey >I'm reposting this message as my original came through blank. >Warning to all about our fiend, oops, I mean friend Bonaventure. I asked >him for a few tubers last year and he sent me about 40! >One of them looks a little strange. I'll have to take a picture, although >I have kind of a cruddy camera. The plant appears perfectly happy but has >a bump or ball about 3 inches up the stem. This is a small plant, only >about 5-6" (14cm?) so far. The abberation doesn't look like an injury. >Ah, this is too hard to explain. I'll try to get a picture. >Susan >zone 5 > >Take my Sauromatums, please! >I am looking for a way to eat them. Does anyone have a good recipe, because >I have a real CROP!!! >Y'all come down to my house with bushel baskets! >And to think that I fussed and fretted over the first tuber I got. >Bonaventure Magrys >Elizabeth, NJ zone 6a

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2000.08.07 at 21:17:02(5257) GONADotopons????? And it wasn't even ME who started about gonads..... Wilbert +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: maandag 7 augustus 2000 20:42 Subject: Re: Sauromatum > The "fiend" writes - > Sue, still don't have any of those Gonadotopons in my yard, none dropped > there. That species then may have truly supernatural abilities to spread. > A thought on bulblet production and the particular success of digging > around or rototilling in propagating and increasing numbers of some of > these bulbous species: > it would seem to me that they would be excellent food for certain rooting > herbivores such as wild hogs. These may dig up the large bulbs which would > have developed an evolutionary strategy to then disseminate bulblets over a > wider area. > Bonaventure > From: "Susan Cooper" @mobot.org on 08/03/2000 > 09:27 AM > Subject: Re: Sauromatum > Ah, thank you, Dewey! Although my zone 5 isn't friendly to escaped aroids, > you never know. Maybe my raspberries and strawberries can do battle with > it (I think they are determined to take over the world- both grow faster > than kudzu). The plant in question is in a little pot now, and I'll keep > an eye on it.... > > >>> plantnut@macconnect.com 08/02/00 05:01PM >>> > Carefull, you might have Gonatopus! No, that is not a sexually transmitted > disease... just one hell of a pest in the garden if it escapes... The > 'bump' in the stem is the clue.... > Dewey > > >I'm reposting this message as my original came through blank. > >Warning to all about our fiend, oops, I mean friend Bonaventure. I asked > >him for a few tubers last year and he sent me about 40! > >One of them looks a little strange. I'll have to take a picture, although > >I have kind of a cruddy camera. The plant appears perfectly happy but has > >a bump or ball about 3 inches up the stem. This is a small plant, only > >about 5-6" (14cm?) so far. The abberation doesn't look like an injury. > >Ah, this is too hard to explain. I'll try to get a picture. > >Susan > >zone 5 > > > >Take my Sauromatums, please! > >I am looking for a way to eat them. Does anyone have a good recipe, > because > >I have a real CROP!!! > >Y'all come down to my house with bushel baskets! > >And to think that I fussed and fretted over the first tuber I got. > >Bonaventure Magrys > >Elizabeth, NJ zone 6a > > > >

From: Tony Avent <Tony at plantdelights.com> on 2011.01.26 at 18:18:30(21823) Bernhard The F1s are fertile also. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry HTML +More From: "StroWi@t-online.de" Sender: "aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com" Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 01:05:21 -0500 To: Discussion of aroids ReplyTo: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] 'Indian Giant' ploidylevel [was:Re: Sauromatum x Pinellia hybrid] Tony, did you do selfings of the F1 yet? If they are fertile, it would at least give another indication that it's not triploid. Happy crossing, Bernhard. -----Original Message----- > Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:13:30 +0100 > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] 'Indian Giant' ploidylevel [was:Re: Sauromatum > x Pinellia hybrid] > From: Tony Avent > To: Discussion of aroids > Bernhard: Thanks for posting the results of your study of Sauromatum venosum. Since we introduced S. ‘Indian Giant’ we have grown out several hundred crosses between S. ‘Indian Giant’ and typical S. venosum. The resulting plants are intermediate between both parents with an amazing amount of variability including some plants with no spots on the petiole, and others with an abundance of spots. Also, there is quite a bit of difference with leaf size and leaf ruffling. Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent From: aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@www.gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of StroWi@t-online.de Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:07 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] 'Indian Giant' ploidylevel [was:Re: Sauromatum x Pinellia hybrid] -----Original Message----- > Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 21:03:55 +0200 > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Sauromatum x Pinellia hybrid.... and others... > From: James Waddick > To: Discussion of aroids aroid-l@www.gizmoworks.com .... > In this same discussion, the cv "Indian Giant' is brought to > mind. This is a much larger form of S. venosum. Could it be a > tetraploid? Has anyone compared chromosome numbers to the typical, > smaller form? And is this, by the way, any more or less hardier than > the typical form? Dear Jim W., Aroiders, already more than one year ago I compared the ploidy level of a normal form of Typhonium venosum (a genotype/tuber that came from Laos ) with my 'Indian Giant' clone that was originally introduced by Tony Avent (Plant Delights Nursery). Furthermore I have the clone that was given to me as T. nubicum. but is probably identical with 'Indian Giant'. For pictures see: (scroll down to the post from 06.11.2009) http://www.amorphophallus-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=316&start=30 I did not count the chromosomes but used flowcytometry to compare the DNA content. In short words with this method the DNA content of nuclei is measured after the DNA was stained. The measured values are shown in a graph. The first peak represents the cells in the G1-phase; this would give the DNA-content of somatic cells. The second peak represents the nucelar DNA content of cell in the G2-phase after the replication of the DNA before the cell devides. The graphs show the measurements of T. venosum ' Laos ', T.venosum 'Indian Giant' and T. nubicum, respectively. [img]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/Mr_Titanum/T_v_Laos.jpg[/img] [img]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/Mr_Titanum/T_v_IndianGiant.jpg[/img] [img]http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/Mr_Titanum/T_nubicum.jpg[/img] The results strongly indicate that the three clones do not differ in DNA content and therefore have the same ploidy level. However, I did no chomosome counts, but if 'Indian Giant' would be a tetraploid of the normal form of T. venosum, the graph should show a first peak at channel 100 for the G1-nuclei and a second at channel 200 for the G2-nulei. This is not the case; all three clones have the peaks roughly at channel 50 and channel 100. Best, Bernhard. --_000_136064254734726651296065913484JavaMailrimbda790bisxprod_-- --==============€82398548372751722=

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