Identifying Anthuriums and Pseudodrac.

From: Adam Black paleoart at digital.net> on 2000.09.12 at 04:44:19(5415) I have recently aquired several types of "birdsnest" Anthuriums that have no tags, and I am curious as to their identification. The few sources I have tried (Tropicos, TAP gallery, Dewey's sale page, Exotica) have not helped much. I see so many similarities between certain types that leads me to wonder about the best way to ID the birdsnest Anthuriums. If I were to email pictures of the plant and inflorescence to anyone who would want to give it a shot, would it be possible to identify it, keeping in mind they are not among the distinctive species, they are A. hookerii-ish in appearance, but I am certain they are not hookeriis. At least they appear to be different enough from two of my plants labeled "hookerii" and hookerii 'Ruffles'. Unless- being that I have two types of hookerii, is there much regional variation among a particular species of Anthurium? Or is there variation in morphology due to environmental factors such as light availability, temperature, variation in habitat, etc? One plant (actually looks like several plants intertwined together) has many pendulous inflorescences. Does the fact that the inflorescence is not erect narrow it down the possibilities very much? One clue about two of them, they were purchased over the weekend at Selby Bot. Gardens plant shop, if anyone has been there recently and noticed them. They were the only two types of birdsnests they had for sale that I noticed. There are a few more of one type, I purchased the only one of the other type. I don't have pictures just yet, but if anyone wants to try and ID it, I will send them to whoever emails me PRIVATELY when I get around to taking them. I also finally have pictures of the inflorescence of my unidentified species of Pseudodracontium that I will email to whoever wants to try to ID the species. Again, email me PRIVATELY if you want to see it. And finally, please excuse my ignorance in these subjects. I am eager to learn! +More Thanks! Adam

From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2000.09.12 at 14:37:41(5416) >I have recently aquired several types of "birdsnest" Anthuriums that >have no tags, and I am curious as to their identification. The few >sources I have tried (Tropicos, TAP gallery, Dewey's sale page, Exotica) >have not helped much. I see so many similarities between certain types >that leads me to wonder about the best way to ID the birdsnest >Anthuriums. If I were to email pictures of the plant and inflorescence >to anyone who would want to give it a shot, would it be possible to >identify it, keeping in mind they are not among the distinctive species, >they are A. hookerii-ish in appearance, but I am certain they are not >hookeriis. At least they appear to be different enough from two of my >plants labeled "hookerii" and hookerii 'Ruffles'. Unless- being that I >have two types of hookerii, is there much regional variation among a >particular species of Anthurium? Or is there variation in morphology due >to environmental factors such as light availability, temperature, >variation in habitat, etc? One plant (actually looks like several plants >intertwined together) has many pendulous inflorescences. Does the fact >that the inflorescence is not erect narrow it down the possibilities >very much? > >One clue about two of them, they were purchased over the weekend at >Selby Bot. Gardens plant shop, if anyone has been there recently and >noticed them. They were the only two types of birdsnests they had for >sale that I noticed. There are a few more of one type, I purchased the >only one of the other type. I don't have pictures just yet, but if >anyone wants to try and ID it, I will send them to whoever emails me >PRIVATELY when I get around to taking them. > >I also finally have pictures of the inflorescence of my unidentified >species of Pseudodracontium that I will email to whoever wants to try to >ID the species. Again, email me PRIVATELY if you want to see it. And >finally, please excuse my ignorance in these subjects. I am eager to >learn! +More > >Thanks! Adam, Try Croat's online version of his Revision of Section Pachyneurium birdsnest) Anthurium. There are links to it on the species page of TAP or you can get to it through the Anthurium section of the IAS website. BTW ...A. hookeri is not a pachyneurium......although at first glance it certainly looks like one. A call to Selby might help also. Neil

From: plantnut at macconnect.com (plantnut) on 2000.09.12 at 14:38:34(5418) Adam, If you have a plant tagged as "Ruffles", it is Anthurium plowmanii. I introduced this plant to the commercial trade from seed obtained from Dr. Birdsey years ago. Subsequently, another, more ruffled clone was discovered and this plant is now being put out by AgriStarts, T/C Lab. You can go to their site for a more positive ID. Second, I might suggest that you contact Dr. Croat for a copy of his Book "A Revision of Anthurium Section Pachyneurium". It gives pictures... (B&W), of most all of them. I think the price is under $35. Dewey +More >I have recently aquired several types of "birdsnest" Anthuriums that >have no tags, and I am curious as to their identification. The few >sources I have tried (Tropicos, TAP gallery, Dewey's sale page, Exotica) >have not helped much. I see so many similarities between certain types >that leads me to wonder about the best way to ID the birdsnest >Anthuriums. If I were to email pictures of the plant and inflorescence >to anyone who would want to give it a shot, would it be possible to >identify it, keeping in mind they are not among the distinctive species, >they are A. hookerii-ish in appearance, but I am certain they are not >hookeriis. At least they appear to be different enough from two of my >plants labeled "hookerii" and hookerii 'Ruffles'. Unless- being that I >have two types of hookerii, is there much regional variation among a >particular species of Anthurium? Or is there variation in morphology due >to environmental factors such as light availability, temperature, >variation in habitat, etc? One plant (actually looks like several plants >intertwined together) has many pendulous inflorescences. Does the fact >that the inflorescence is not erect narrow it down the possibilities >very much? > >One clue about two of them, they were purchased over the weekend at >Selby Bot. Gardens plant shop, if anyone has been there recently and >noticed them. They were the only two types of birdsnests they had for >sale that I noticed. There are a few more of one type, I purchased the >only one of the other type. I don't have pictures just yet, but if >anyone wants to try and ID it, I will send them to whoever emails me >PRIVATELY when I get around to taking them. > >I also finally have pictures of the inflorescence of my unidentified >species of Pseudodracontium that I will email to whoever wants to try to >ID the species. Again, email me PRIVATELY if you want to see it. And >finally, please excuse my ignorance in these subjects. I am eager to >learn! > >Thanks! > >Adam Your source for Tropical Araceae. You are invited to visit:

From: SelbyHort at aol.com on 2000.09.13 at 14:45:25(5425) Adam, Many times the plant shop at Selby buys plants from other growers to sell in their shop and these are often not labeled. They do also sell plants that are propagated by division or seed from the collections. You can call the Selby Plant shop (try to reach either Linda Hoover, plant shop manager, or Bob Stickney, shop assistant) at (941) 366-5731 ext. 242. They may be able to tell you what was in the shop during the last week or two but if it was longer ago than that they may not know. I once worked in the shop and people would send me photos of the plants they purchased years ago and ask me to identify them! Not too easy a task with the Pachyneuriums, some of which are very similar and not readily identified by even an expert unless the origin (original collection locality from the wild) is known. There are so many hybrids in cultivation that even a specialist would not be able to tell you the identity if the plant came from some commercial source without trustworthy locality data. +More Donna Atwood << >One clue about two of them, they were purchased over the weekend at >Selby Bot. Gardens plant shop, if anyone has been there recently and >noticed them. They were the only two types of birdsnests they had for >sale that I noticed. There are a few more of one type, I purchased the >only one of the other type. I don't have pictures just yet, but if >anyone wants to try and ID it, I will send them to whoever emails me >PRIVATELY when I get around to taking them. >>

From: Adam Black paleoart at digital.net> on 2000.09.16 at 14:58:23(5439) Hello everyone, Just wanted to thank all of you who responded to my questions regarding the identity of my recently purchased bird's nest Anthuriums. These plants were not produced at Selby and were purchased by them from another source, so I have no idea if these are hybrids or species. I will definately get a copy of Croat's revision of sect. Pachyneurium. I also have a few hundred seeds of another unidentified species of bird's nest Anthurium that are showing the first signs of germination as I write this. These are from a mass of plants belonging to a friend that were grown from seed he collected in Venezuela many years ago. He has never made any attempt to collect the numerous seeds for propagation, nor has he ever made an attempt to ID them. Hopefully they will be something different. When they grow up a bit and I identify the parent plants, I will have a bunch of the seedlings to offer to list members, assuming they all survive. Hope to meet you all at the show/sale coming up soon! Thanks! Adam Black

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