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From: "Cooper, Susan L." SLCooper at scj.com> on 2003.02.07 at 17:24:12(9942)
Very eloquent, Rand!
Just for my info, what sort of marker do you use? Two years ago I used a
Sharpie "permanent marker" which faded to illegible in two months. Last
year I used pencil, which was OK but I didn't have much confidence in it on
a permanent basis.

From: Harry Witmore harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2003.02.08 at 12:43:52(9946)
I only use pencil. Sharpie and other permanant markers fade too fast and
grease pencil disappears. I've never had a pencil fade.
At 11:24 AM 2/7/2003 -0600, you wrote:
From: Tony Avent tony at plantdel.com> on 2003.02.08 at 18:02:30(9948)

You may wish to try paint pens for your labels. I recommend Deco-Color
Paint Pens, extra fine point. You can find them using a web Google Search.
Unlike Sharpies and other worthless pens, these will far outlast your labels.

From: Plantbob at aol.com on 2003.02.08 at 18:11:00(9949)
Hi Gang,

I use a Sharpie to write on my markers. I then spray the marker with a clear
enamel paint which protects it from fading. It lasts for years.

Bob Kleiser

From: Regferns at aol.com on 2003.02.09 at 01:03:21(9950)
I use pencils to make markers for some plants, but I also I have a wonderful
marker which does not fade. (I know, hard to believe.) I've been using them
for about 7 years now, and the ink is still as rich as when I originally
marked the plastic label. The marker is from Park Seed Company, it is called
the Nursery Marking Pen. It can be found on Park Seed's website,

From: Rand Nicholson writserv at nbnet.nb.ca> on 2003.02.09 at 02:09:15(9951)
Hi Susan:

I use a Sharpie. This does not sound very helpful, does it?

The difference may be that they are fine point permanent cloth
markers that can be found anywhere sewing materials or art supplies
are sold. This is used on very cheap white plastic labels and I find
that the labels usually disintegrate (about four years if a squirrel
doesn't make off with them first), or become too brittle to be
useful, before the writing fades.


From: Betsy Feuerstein ecuador at midsouth.rr.com> on 2003.02.09 at 19:30:10(9953)
Just to add a additional support to this marker. I have used it for years. Only
problem is the tip loses its sharp clear ability after a bit and if you forget to
put the top on or it becomes disengaged, you are done. I have used these in the
field for years. Wet bags or labels, forget it. Dry bags or labels, they work


From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2003.02.09 at 19:47:37(9955)

I have learned that the brand doesnt' matter as long as it says "No
xylene/toluene added". Markers with that qualification have always proven to
be extremely good. I have labels that are 13 years old that are still as
readable as when they were written.


From: Don Martinson llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2003.02.10 at 16:23:08(9962)
Over the years I have developed a very permanent low cost labeling system,
involving the use of a computer and a b/w laser printer.


This sounds very interesting. Is a laser printer necessary or would
an ink-jet printer work just as well? Where do you obtain the "Cleer
Don Martinson

From: Krzysztof Kozminski kk at kozminski.com> on 2003.02.11 at 03:29:13(9965)
On Saturday, February 8, 2003, at 10:11 AM, Iza & Carol Goroff wrote:

Over the years I have developed a very permanent low cost labeling
involving the use of a computer and a b/w laser printer. I buy

From: Iza & Carol Goroff goroff at idcnet.com> on 2003.02.18 at 19:57:02(9999)
At one time I bought "Cleer Adheer" at an old time office supply store
(Thomas?) on W. Greenfield 6000+. I currently buy it at Jonas Office Supply in
Fort Atkinson. The laser printer I use is an old HP 4ML with the manual feed. I
have used a number of laser printers in the past. I own an ink jet printer, but
I have been sceptical that the process would allow good adhesion to the mylar.
The laser printer welds the toner to the mylar (or paper) with heat.

Iza Goroff

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