Philodendron panduriforme

From: "ExoticRainforest" <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2007.06.12 at 01:27:31(15774) Apologies, the photo did not attach the first time! I've been trading emails today with Dr. Croat trying to find information on Philodendron panduriforme. He indicates he wrote an article in Aroideana Volume 9 that includes that species entitled Araceae of Venezuela. If any of you have the article and could scan any photos of the plant (if there are any) I'd really appreciate the help. Here's what I'm trying to track down. In Deni Bown's book on Aroids she indicates that Philodendron panduriforme is the same as Philodendron bippenifolium (see the index). I have read this same claim elsewhere. Tom indicates this is incorrect. I am aware that P. bipennifolium has several growth forms and is variable. I have a great photo from a book on the Burle Marx collection of the adult form of this species which I am attaching. I'm also aware the adult form looks absolutely nothing like the juvenile. It appears that many (especially on eBay) have been selling P. bipennifolium in the juvenile state and calling it P. panduriforme and vice versa. I'm reasonably certain I have P. bipennifolium, but I'm not sure if I have the real P. panduriforme. P. panduriforme is a three lobed species according to Tom. If any of you have a verified photo of that species I'd appreciate the assist. Thanks! Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com Attachment: Philodendron-bipennifolium.GIF Description: GIF image _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Scherberich <aroids at numericable.fr> on 2007.06.14 at 16:28:22(15785) Dear Steve,Here is a picture of a leaf of Philodendron panduriforme.With best regards,DavidLe 12 juin 07 à 03:27, ExoticRainforest a écrit : Apologies, the photo did not attach the first time! I've been trading emails today with Dr. Croat trying to find information on Philodendron panduriforme. He indicates he wrote an article in Aroideana Volume 9 that includes that species entitled Araceae of Venezuela. If any of you have the article and could scan any photos of the plant (if there are any) I'd really appreciate the help. Here's what I'm trying to track down. In Deni Bown's book on Aroids she indicates that Philodendron panduriforme is the same as Philodendron bippenifolium (see the index). I have read this same claim elsewhere. Tom indicates this is incorrect. I am aware that P. bipennifolium has several growth forms and is variable. I have a great photo from a book on the Burle Marx collection of the adult form of this species whic +More h I am attaching. I'm also aware the adult form looks absolutely nothing like the juvenile. It appears that many (especially on eBay) have been selling P. bipennifolium in the juvenile state and calling it P. panduriforme and vice versa. I'm reasonably certain I have P. bipennifolium, but I'm not sure if I have the real P. panduriforme. P. panduriforme is a three lobed species according to Tom. If any of you have a verified photo of that species I'd appreciate the assist. Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2007.06.15 at 20:34:27(15788) Dear David & Steve: I can see why Deni Bown thought that this is the same as P. bipennifolium. The problem is that this species (P. panduriforme) is usually more deeply 3-lobed. Tom +More From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Scherberich Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:28 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron panduriforme Dear Steve, Here is a picture of a leaf of Philodendron panduriforme. With best regards, David Le 12 juin 07 à 03:27, ExoticRainforest a écrit : Apologies, the photo did not attach the first time! I've been trading emails today with Dr. Croat trying to find information on Philodendron panduriforme. He indicates he wrote an article in Aroideana Volume 9 that includes that species entitled Araceae of Venezuela. If any of you have the article and could scan any photos of the plant (if there are any) I'd really appreciate the help. Here's what I'm trying to track down. In Deni Bown's book on Aroids she indicates that Philodendron panduriforme is the same as Philodendron bippenifolium (see the index). I have read this same claim elsewhere. Tom indicates this is incorrect. I am aware that P. bipennifolium has several growth forms and is variable. I have a great photo from a book on the Burle Marx collection of the adult form of this species which I am attaching. I'm also aware the adult form looks absolutely nothing like the juvenile. It appears that many (especially on eBay) have been selling P. bipennifolium in the juvenile state and calling it P. panduriforme and vice versa. I'm reasonably certain I have P. bipennifolium, but I'm not sure if I have the real P. panduriforme. P. panduriforme is a three lobed species according to Tom. If any of you have a verified photo of that species I'd appreciate the assist. Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "ExoticRainforest" <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2007.06.15 at 21:45:34(15790)  Thank you David!! Can I have your permission to post this on the webpage with credit? If so, please let me know how you prefer the credit to read. Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Scherberich To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:28 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron panduriforme Dear Steve, Here is a picture of a leaf of Philodendron panduriforme. With best regards, David Le 12 juin 07 � 03:27, ExoticRainforest a �crit : � Apologies, the photo did not attach the first time! � I've been trading emails today with Dr. Croat trying to find information on Philodendron panduriforme.� He indicates he wrote an article in Aroideana Volume 9 that includes that species entitled Araceae of Venezuela.� If any of you have the article and could scan any photos of the plant (if there are any) I'd really appreciate the help. � Here's what I'm trying to track down.� In Deni Bown's book on Aroids she indicates that Philodendron panduriforme is the same as Philodendron bippenifolium (see the index).� I have read this same claim elsewhere.� Tom indicates this is incorrect.� I am aware that P. bipennifolium has several growth forms and is variable.� I have a great photo from a book on the Burle Marx collection of the adult form of this species which I am attaching.� I'm also aware the adult form looks absolutely nothing like the juvenile.� It appears that many (especially on eBay) have been selling P. bipennifolium in the juvenile state and calling it P. panduriforme and vice versa.� I'm reasonably certain I have P. bipennifolium, but I'm not sure if I have the real P. panduriforme.� P. panduriforme is a three lobed species according to Tom.� If any of you have a verified photo of that species I'd appreciate the assist. � Thanks! � Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com � _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "ExoticRainforest" <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2007.06.16 at 02:07:03(15791) Thanks Tom. Your photo in Aroideana volume 9 shows an obviously more mature specimen. Steve +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Croat To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:34 PM Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Philodendron panduriforme Dear David & Steve: I can see why Deni Bown thought that this is the same as P. bipennifolium. The problem is that this species (P. panduriforme) is usually more deeply 3-lobed. Tom From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ScherberichSent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 11:28 AMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Philodendron panduriforme Dear Steve, Here is a picture of a leaf of Philodendron panduriforme. With best regards, David Le 12 juin 07 à 03:27, ExoticRainforest a écrit : Apologies, the photo did not attach the first time! I've been trading emails today with Dr. Croat trying to find information on Philodendron panduriforme. He indicates he wrote an article in Aroideana Volume 9 that includes that species entitled Araceae of Venezuela. If any of you have the article and could scan any photos of the plant (if there are any) I'd really appreciate the help. Here's what I'm trying to track down. In Deni Bown's book on Aroids she indicates that Philodendron panduriforme is the same as Philodendron bippenifolium (see the index). I have read this same claim elsewhere. Tom indicates this is incorrect. I am aware that P. bipennifolium has several growth forms and is variable. I have a great photo from a book on the Burle Marx collection of the adult form of this species which I am attaching. I'm also aware the adult form looks absolutely nothing like the juvenile. It appears that many (especially on eBay) have been selling P. bipennifolium in the juvenile state and calling it P. panduriforme and vice versa. I'm reasonably certain I have P. bipennifolium, but I'm not sure if I have the real P. panduriforme. P. panduriforme is a three lobed species according to Tom. If any of you have a verified photo of that species I'd appreciate the assist. Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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