Thyphonium nubicum vs Typhonium venosum 'Indian

From: Edwoods100 at aol.com (Edwoods100 at aol.com) on 2007.08.23 at 22:09:37(16147) Hi, Ken Mosher at Dragocactoid was selling these - I have my eye on one in the future. Check out his website for some pictures: _http://dragocactoid.com/typhonium.html_ (http://dragocactoid.com/typhonium.html) +More -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070823/55f59edf/attachment-0001.htm

From: pugturd at alltel.net (Brian Williams) on 2007.08.23 at 22:43:49(16149) This giant form is different in over all size my plant of the regular form grow to 1 to 2 feet while this Indian Giant form grows to 4 feet tall or more. The stems are different as well the regular form is highly spotted while the giant form has much fewer spotting. The leaves on the giant form also tend to be wider as well and less dissected as the more common form. The flowers as far as I can tell at identical and this may be just a odd selected seedling or a tetraploid. Here are some photos showing the differences. +More Here is a pic of the common form with the highly spotted leaves. Here is the giant form much fewer spotting and large less dissected leaves. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070823/cc69ce72/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture 2410 (Medium).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 75196 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070823/cc69ce72/attachment-0003.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture 2492 (Medium).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 67452 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070823/cc69ce72/attachment-0004.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Picture 3110 (Medium).jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 53548 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070823/cc69ce72/attachment-0005.jpg

From: ken at spatulacity.com (Ken Mosher) on 2007.08.24 at 00:59:49(16151) Ty. venosum 'Indian Giant' is simply a cultivar of the species. There is no real, important difference between the species and the cultivar, as is true with every cultivar. In my own experience with 'Indian Giant', and I grow both that and the regular species, is that it grows a much larger leaf, eventually a larger tuber, faster, and the petioles are spotted more sparsely. I consider the petiole patterning of 'Indian Giant' to be more attractive by far. Of course that's personal taste. I have never heard of T. nubicum but I am in no way a Typhonium expert. -Ken Mosher +More StroWi at t-online.de wrote: > Aroiders, > > some years ago there was a Thyphonium venosum 'Indian Giant' offered in > the US. > > Could someone drop a few lines how to differentiate the regualar venosum > from 'Indian Giant'? > > In the Netherlands there is a plant named Typhonium nubicum available > that grows tubers up to 8 kg ( about 17 lbs). > I guess T. nubicum is not the botanical name anymore or even a phantasy > name. > Does anyone know what could be behind this....? > > Furthermore could T.v. 'Indian Giant' be identical with T. nubicum? > > Looking foreward to any comment..... > > Bernhard

From: samarak at gizmoworks.com (Steve Marak) on 2007.08.24 at 06:32:47(16152) On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Brian Williams wrote: > This giant form is different in over all size my plant of the regular form > grow to 1 to 2 feet while this Indian Giant form grows to 4 feet tall or more. > The stems are different as well the regular form is highly spotted while the > giant form has much fewer spotting. The leaves on the giant form also tend to > be wider as well and less dissected as the more common form. The flowers as > far as I can tell at identical and this may be just a odd selected seedling or > a tetraploid. Here are some photos showing the differences. I've seen several plants matching Brian's description, and even have one myself, a gift from a friend several years ago. I'd add to his description that the substance of the leaf is much greater than the "regular" form. I've wondered if they are all indeed a clone, or not clones but closely related, or a number of unrelated clones selected for similar characteristics. But short of my wife winning that big lottery and outfitting the lab of my dreams, or Ronco producing a "Mr. DNA Lab" .... And while mine gets up to 4 feet (1.3 meters) or a bit more, I've seen some that had to be close to 6 feet (2 meters), tall enough to pretty much look you right in the eyes. Maybe it was just better cultivation, but to me it looked more like they were an even larger clone (or clones). Steve +More -- Steve Marak -- samarak at gizmoworks.com

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