Pistia pollination

From: Taylor Holzer <taylorholzer at yahoo.com> on 2009.01.20 at 21:51:44(18943) i think that dragonflies may play a part in pollinating pistia, in my pond i had many dragonflies landing on tthe ones i had. does anyone have a souce for pistia plants? _______________________________________________ +More Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Christopher Rogers" <crogers at ecoanalysts.com> on 2009.01.23 at 16:53:32(18954) Hiyer! Dragonflies and damselflies are not pollinators. They arepredators. They would not be around your pond unless there was plenty to eat!They are quite voracious, with the aquatic larvae eating the stuff in the pondand the adults eating whatever emerges or flies by. They are death on mosquitolarvae, dayflying mosquitos, blackflies, gnats, midges and other flies. I haveeven watched them pluck spiders from the center of their webs. One goofy thing is that in Jamaica and a few other CaribbeanIslands (Julius and I discussed this together long ago) there are freshwatercrabs that live in the water collected in bromeliad axils. There aredamselflies that only lay their eggs in these little aquariums. They have anelongated abdomen to reach way back in to the axils. If a crab is present, theywill grab the damselflies’ abdomen and reel it in. The crab will eat thedamselfly, and maybe cut it up into small pieces for its young crabs swimmingin the bromeliad tank. This still releases the damselfly’s eggs, which hatch,and the young damsels then are predators on the crab larvae. Go figure. Happy days, Christopher D.Christopher Rogers HTML +More SeniorInvertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======

From: <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2009.01.23 at 21:57:23(18962) Dear Christopher and All, Nice story, Christopher!  I wish I could learn more about the Brom. crab on the mountains of Trinidad! My good friend Marc, our aroid expert in France just posted a thought, suggesting that Pistia might be pollinated by water!   Interesting, and well worth pondering and investigating!   BUT---I`d think that the plants of this in Ted`s aquarium (water) would then be able to set seed!!!!!!   Ted 1---what think thee??   So---maybe there is a TINY midge or gnat ''out there'' in more tropical climes which ''does the dirty'' for Pistias benifit. Julius HTML +More From: crogers@ecoanalysts.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:53:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Pistia pollination Hiyer!   Dragonflies and damselflies are not pollinators. They arepredators. They would not be around your pond unless there was plenty to eat!They are quite voracious, with the aquatic larvae eating the stuff in the pondand the adults eating whatever emerges or flies by. They are death on mosquitolarvae, dayflying mosquitos, blackflies, gnats, midges and other flies. I haveeven watched them pluck spiders from the center of their webs.   One goofy thing is that in Jamaica and a few other CaribbeanIslands (Julius and I discussed this together long ago) there are freshwatercrabs that live in the water collected in bromeliad axils. There aredamselflies that only lay their eggs in these little aquariums. They have anelongated abdomen to reach way back in to the axils. If a crab is present, theywill grab the damselflies’ abdomen and reel it in. The crab will eat thedamselfly, and maybe cut it up into small pieces for its young crabs swimmingin the bromeliad tank. This still releases the damselfly’s eggs, which hatch,and the young damsels then are predators on the crab larvae. Go figure.   Happy days, Christopher     D.Christopher Rogers SeniorInvertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======<   EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA   ŸInvertebrate Taxonomy ŸEndangered Species ŸEcological Studies ŸBioassessment ŸInvasive Species ŸPlankton ŸPhycology   Moscow,Idaho Ÿ Bozeman, Montana ŸDavis, California Ÿ Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove,Pennsylvania Ÿ London, Ontario ecoanalysts.com -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] OnBehalf Of Taylor Holzer Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:52 PM To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Pistia pollination   i think that dragonflies may play a part in pollinatingpistia, in my pond i had many dragonflies landing on tthe ones i had.   does anyone have a souce for pistia plants?             _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 -Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM --_34da9421-809f-4924-b5bd-df973331bb2e_----==============77157920835930320=

From: "Marek Argent" <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2009.01.25 at 17:59:50(18970) Hi, Let me add a few words. Although Pistia blooms frequently, it very rarely gets pollinated and produce seeds. It propagates usually vegetatively through stolons. Has anyone seen Pistia's fruit? Marek HTML +More ----- Original Message ----- From: ju-bo@msn.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Pistia pollination Dear Christopher and All, Nice story, Christopher! I wish I could learn more about the Brom. crab on the mountains of Trinidad! My good friend Marc, our aroid expert in France just posted a thought, suggesting that Pistia might be pollinated by water! Interesting, and well worth pondering and investigating! BUT---I`d think that the plants of this in Ted`s aquarium (water) would then be able to set seed!!!!!! Ted 1---what think thee?? So---maybe there is a TINY midge or gnat ''out there'' in more tropical climes which ''does the dirty'' for Pistias benifit. Julius From: crogers@ecoanalysts.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:53:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Pistia pollination Hiyer! Dragonflies and damselflies are not pollinators. They are predators. They would not be around your pond unless there was plenty to eat! They are quite voracious, with the aquatic larvae eating the stuff in the pond and the adults eating whatever emerges or flies by. They are death on mosquito larvae, dayflying mosquitos, blackflies, gnats, midges and other flies. I have even watched them pluck spiders from the center of their webs. One goofy thing is that in Jamaica and a few other Caribbean Islands (Julius and I discussed this together long ago) there are freshwater crabs that live in the water collected in bromeliad axils. There are damselflies that only lay their eggs in these little aquariums. They have an elongated abdomen to reach way back in to the axils. If a crab is present, they will grab the damselflies’ abdomen and reel it in. The crab will eat the damselfly, and maybe cut it up into small pieces for its young crabs swimming in the bromeliad tank. This still releases the damselfly’s eggs, which hatch, and the young damsels then are predators on the crab larvae. Go figure. Happy days, Christopher D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======

From: <ju-bo at msn.com> on 2009.01.26 at 10:37:14(18984) Dear Marek, Yes!  Pista fruit are quite common, at least on plants in canals near West Palm Beach, Florida.  The secret is to locate mature plants in the wild, and learn where to look on the plant, as the fruit are located LOWER down on the older portion of the rhizome, and are held against the rhizome, well hidden amongst the old ''straw'' of the deteriorated portions of older leaves mostly below the water line. Julius HTML +More From: abri1973@wp.pl To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 18:59:50 +0100 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Pistia pollination Hi,   Let me add a few words. Although Pistia blooms frequently, it very rarely gets pollinated and produce seeds. It propagates usually vegetatively through stolons. Has anyone seen Pistia's fruit?   Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: ju-bo@msn.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Pistia pollination Dear Christopher and All, Nice story, Christopher!  I wish I could learn more about the Brom. crab on the mountains of Trinidad! My good friend Marc, our aroid expert in France just posted a thought, suggesting that Pistia might be pollinated by water!   Interesting, and well worth pondering and investigating!   BUT---I`d think that the plants of this in Ted`s aquarium (water) would then be able to set seed!!!!!!   Ted 1---what think thee??   So---maybe there is a TINY midge or gnat ''out there'' in more tropical climes which ''does the dirty'' for Pistias benifit. Julius From: crogers@ecoanalysts.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:53:32 -0800 Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Pistia pollination Hiyer!   Dragonflies and damselflies are not pollinators. They are predators. They would not be around your pond unless there was plenty to eat! They are quite voracious, with the aquatic larvae eating the stuff in the pond and the adults eating whatever emerges or flies by. They are death on mosquito larvae, dayflying mosquitos, blackflies, gnats, midges and other flies. I have even watched them pluck spiders from the center of their webs.   One goofy thing is that in Jamaica and a few other Caribbean Islands (Julius and I discussed this together long ago) there are freshwater crabs that live in the water collected in bromeliad axils. There are damselflies that only lay their eggs in these little aquariums. They have an elongated abdomen to reach way back in to the axils. If a crab is present, they will grab the damselflies’ abdomen and reel it in. The crab will eat the damselfly, and maybe cut it up into small pieces for its young crabs swimming in the bromeliad tank. This still releases the damselfly’s eggs, which hatch, and the young damsels then are predators on the crab larvae. Go figure.   Happy days, Christopher     D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======<   EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA   ŸInvertebrate Taxonomy ŸEndangered Species ŸEcological Studies ŸBioassessment ŸInvasive Species ŸPlankton ŸPhycology   Moscow, Idaho Ÿ Bozeman, Montana Ÿ Davis, California Ÿ Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania Ÿ London, Ontario ecoanalysts.com -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Holzer Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 1:52 PM To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Pistia pollination   i think that dragonflies may play a part in pollinating pistia, in my pond i had many dragonflies landing on tthe ones i had.   does anyone have a souce for pistia plants?             _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.12/1911 - Release Date: 1/23/2009 7:28 AM _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --_6ca596fd-f567-4c12-99a2-da9c2bc9aebf_----==============62924168460938247=

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