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Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:58
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] black
,Well you were right the added attention drove the price of the black
Warocquenum up ,past my bid,,,, Seems that was sold by the HawaiianSunshine
Nursey .. anyone know of them ? seems like I bought plants from them a
few years ago directly , suspect we will see more offered
but I did win the Regal hybrid will post some photo?s when I get it ..
& they will be better than the Ebay photo?s & I?ll compare it to my
plant in the greenhouse right now pix attached ? dsc06825 is a new leaf
still growing dsc06826 old leaf about 1 ½ years old (I repotted in
my new mix & Boom now it?s Cranking)?. thanx Steve , look forward to
meeting up with you in Miami Mike Mahan
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Behalf Of ExoticRainforestSent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:33
AMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] black
I think those of us who
have tried to find out who the seller is changed our opinion as to this being
"hype" once more facts came to light. The biggest problem appears to be
the seller was new to eBay and eBay sellers are notorious for claiming
something is "rare" or "new" or some other descriptive term when it can often
be bought almost anywhere. The black "waroc" may go through the roof but
that's the nature of eBay. If people want it the price will rise.
As for the A. regale, it was pointed out to me the photo had a man
standing behind the leaf that makes the leaf appear quite large. I had
to stare at it awhile to see it for myself. And as most of you read,
Betsy pointed out it is possible for A. regale to grow a 6 foot
leaf. I just have not been able to find anything in my literature that
states that but Betsy has been to Peru and seen the plant in the natural
state. Now I'm waiting for mine to get that big!
I think perhaps some of us
have become too jaded when it comes to plants on eBay and can't always see the
"plants" for the "trees". And I can't agree with you more regarding
Enid's plants! She's the best.
From: john s
Sent: Tuesday, June
26, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: [Aroid-l] black
i can speak a bit to david fell's ebay listings to which
you refer. i do not know david (vriesea2003). i do not know anything
about him. but i bought one of his regale x "black warocqueanum"
hybrids a few weeks ago. i certainly don't know for sure what exactly i
have, but it is a huge plant for an ebay seedling and in perfect shape with
a pot chock full of great roots. the photo on the web is of the one he sold
me, and the newest leaf to the top left is over 18" long. i paid $46 for it
and am quite satisfied.
i believe you have not read his listing carefully. first,
he does not advertise it as anthurium regale, but rather as "anthurium
regale seedling (possible hybrid)"
second, he does not say that anthurium regale has leaves
6 ft long. he says, "Anthurium regale is a truly magnificent plant. It
grows to 6 ft. or larger and has leaves almost a yard
"leaves almost a yard long" seems well within your
description - smaller than mardy's plant.
regarding the "black warocqueanum," i think it's actually
pretty straightforward of david to say,
"While it is similar to A. warocqueanum there are many
important differences, such as the leaf color which is much blacker than
warocqueanum and it has silver veins as opposed to chartreuse veins of
warocqueanum. The leaves are almost flat compared to the slight
cupping of warocqueanum and the spadix is almost pure white. It also
has a very small seed."
he doesn't hype it as something it's not. he doesn't say
"incredible" or "fantastic" or "last one you'll see for a long
time." he just says it's similar to warocqueanum, with a few
differences that he names. the reader is allowed to decide whether those
differences are significant or just minor variations. how can you be
more straightforward than that?
i am not always satisfied with the plants i order from
ebay or from any mail-order source for that matter. well, except for those
from enid. her plants are always great. but i am quite satisfied with my
plant from david fell. i hope this post doesn't boost the bidding for his
"black warocqueanum" up too high, as i may bid for it myself, but he seems
honest and fair to me.
john s. smolowe
menlo park, ca
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l]
black warocqueanum ? not discribed yet?
Is it hype? Honestly I can't say, perhaps
Tom will comment but he and I have had conversations about color variations
and they don't add up to "undescribed" species. However, the same
seller is selling an Anthurium regale which he claims can grow 6
foot leaves! Now I thought mine was big with a 30 inch leaf and Doc
Darian had grown a whopper with a 48 inch leaf! Either this seller has
not read any scientific books or is using some darn good fertilizer!
Perhaps just a bit of hype?
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