Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium watermaliense Hort. ex L.H. Bailey & Nash

From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2008.11.28 at 05:37:34(18760) Thanks both to Jay and Marek for theresponses! I too had found the appearance of Anthurium watermaliense on TROPICOSand two of the Kew's sites as being possibly a species' name but not onIPNI where it just doesn't appear On TROPICOS it does appear initalics on the first page but after that if you check the extra pagessuch as specimens and distribution it is not italicized and appears tobe a horticultural name rather than a species name. One of the firstthings I plan to ask Tom after his return from Ecuador is his currentposition on this plant! I did send a copy of my notes to Simon Mayo atKew in hopes I might get a better clarification on the officialscientific position. I know some of the good people at Kew do monitorthis forum since I've received private mail as a result of severalquestions I've raised here. If anyone is reading this one from Kew I'dreally like to get a response on the currently accepted position onwhether or not Anthurium watermaliense is a horticultural or a speciesname. Jay, I am curious how much variation you see in the inflorescence inCentral America? Thanks for the help guys! We'll be away for a few days spending timewith our kids and grandkids but I'll respond to anything on thissubject as soon as we get back. Steve Lucas HTML +More Marek Argent wrote: Hello Steve, As long as I know the name watermalienseit always seemed strange for me. All Anthuriums come from the LatinAmerica The name Watermal sounds English orDutch and the ending -iense indicates aname of a geographical origin. Here I found the explanation: http://www.tropicos.org/name/2105405 Another strange thing I found Inthis page that it is regarded as a species. Best, Marek -----Original Message ----- From: ExoticRainforest To: Discussion of aroids Sent:Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:59 AM Subject:[Aroid-l] Anthurium watermaliense Hort. ex L.H. Bailey & Nash I need some help from the Anthurium experts on Aroid l. I have been going through many of the pages on my ExoticRainforestwebsite trying to update pages and make sure the explanations are bothscientifically accurate and clear. I recently got around to Anthuriumwatermaliense and one of the first things I noticed that I had neverrealized before was the name! The name is Anthurium watermalienseHort. Ex. L.H. Bailey and Nash. What grabbed my attention this timewas the "Hort." and the "Ex." whichindicates a horticultural name that was formerly considered ascientific name. As a result I went to the International Plant Names Index (IPNI) http://www.ipni.org/index.html and found the name Anthurium watermaliense does not exist on that site So I went again for the third or fourth time and reread Dr. Croat'sdescription in his Annals of the Missouri Botanical Garden 1983, Volume70, #2. Dr. Croat explains in that text that the name Anthuriumwatermaliense was originally a horticultural name (Hort.) and waspublished in 1922 by Liberty Hyde Bailey Jr. (1858-1954) in hisCyclopedia of American Horticulture. It did not appear the nameAnthurium watermaliense had ever been officially published to sciencebut only in horticultural literature. Then I found on a 2005 Aroid l the following post from Dr. Croat, "Ihave placed this in Section Pachyneurium owing to its involutevernation but it is an unusual member of that group for sure. I haveoften wondered if it might not be itself of hybrid origin." Dr.Croat then continued, "There are about a half dozen of thesecordate odd balls, A. standlyi, A. schottii, etc. Some are quiteattractive." Involute vernation refers to the way the margins(edges) of a new leaf blade are rolled inward on both margins as itbegins to emerge from the cataphylls. Since Dr. Croat is currently in Ecuador until near the end of the thirdweek of December I would love some input from those of you who haveoften provided accurate information before and are truly Anthuriumexperts to be certain Anthurium watermaliense is not considered aspecies. You can read what I've learned so far here: http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Anthurium%20watermaliense%20pc.html Thanks! Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com __________ NOD32 Informacje 3639 (20081125) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.comlub http://www.nod32.pl _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3639 (20081125) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl _______________________________________________Aroid-L mailing listAroid-L@www.gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --------------000108010509000400050000

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