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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2009 13:03:14 +0000
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Dear Friends,
I would think that any thoughts or study on the ''prickles/spines'' on
aroids would start with the Lasiodeae.
Many genera in this group exibit extreme spines, one has not lived till
one has tried to handle or re-pot a plant of Lasia spinosa only to be
left with the tips of dozens of thorns inbedded in ones hands and
fingers, to later fester and become pustules.
The genus Cyrtosperma runs a close second, and a specimen of C. macrotum
I once had from N. E. Papua-New Guinea was very much like a porcupine to
touch, and impossible to handle without resorting to leather gloves. All
the other species in this genus that I can think of are spiney!
Podolasia is no better, this genus produces a bloom where even the stipe
(the structure below the spadix which attaches the spadix to the
spathe/peduncle) is also spiney! Of interest, the spines on Podolasia
all point upwards, while those on Cyrtosperma all point downwards.
The exception is the African genus Lasimorpha, its many spines, which
run in parallel rows along its petioles, are sort of ''crystaline'', and
somewhat ''blunt'', so handling has not been a problem for me.
A few of the Old World genera are not spiney, the Indian Anaphyllum, and
the Asian Pycnospatha have at best ''rough'' petioles.
The Neotropicis have been kind to us with their Lasioid genera,
Anaphyllopsis, Dracontioides, Urospatha all are spineless (though there
are a couple (?) of species (?) of Urospatha in Fr. Guyana with
''roughish'' petioles), while the genus Dracontium is interesting in
that certain species, the petioles demonstrate structures which look
like spines, but are generally soft and not ''dangerously'' sharp!
I don`t know the origin of these spines in Aroids, but they must be a
good form of defense against browsers and even perching birds, etc.
I hope this assists our friend Dmitry in his research.
Good Growing,
Julius
WPB, Florida
> From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:36:19 +0800
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Thorns at anubiases
>
> Dear Dmitry,
>
> As I mentioned in my last email, we are really not all aware of what
role
> such prickles might play in the aroids. As Tom has also mentioned they
occur
> in Neotropical Homalomena too. The definition of a thorn is an
indeterminate
> structure (such as a stem or root) capable of lateral growth through
> branching (and even of flowering and bearing leaves in some instances,
that
> have a protective role. Thorns are most commonly found in Rosaceae
(e.g.,
> Crataegus), Fabaceae (notably Gleditschia) and Rhamnaceae (many
genera).
>
> Very best
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Thorns at anubiases
>
>
> > Dear Peter,
> >
> > This error in terms is probably caused by features of transfer
between
> > Russian and English. In Russian such epidermal outgrowths are called
as
> > thorns. Indeed, I found in the literature that J. Bogner named them
as
> > prickles, but he does not write about their role. I have only few
> > knowledge about others Aroids. Therefore, could You tell me about a
role
> > of such prickles in Anubias?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Dmitry Loginov
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Dear Friends,
I would think that any thoughts or study on the ''prickles/spines'' on aroids would start with the Lasiodeae.
Many genera in this group exibit extreme spines, one has not lived till one has tried to handle or re-pot a plant of Lasia spinosa only to be left with the tips of dozens of thorns inbedded in ones hands and fingers, to later fester and become pustules.
The genus Cyrtosperma runs a close second, and a specimen of C. macrotum I once had from N. E. Papua-New Guinea was very much like a porcupine to touch, and impossible to handle without resorting to leather gloves. All the other species in this genus that I can think of are spiney!
Podolasia is no better, this genus produces a bloom where even the stipe (the structure below the spadix which attaches the spadix to the spathe/peduncle) is also spiney! Of interest, the spines on Podolasia all point upwards, while those on Cyrtosperma all point downwards.
The exception is the African genus Lasimorpha, its many spines, which run in parallel rows along its petioles, are sort of ''crystaline'', and somewhat ''blunt'', so handling has not been a problem for me.
A few of the Old World genera are not spiney, the Indian Anaphyllum, and the Asian Pycnospatha have at best ''rough'' petioles.
The Neotropicis have been kind to us with their Lasioid genera, Anaphyllopsis, Dracontioides, Urospatha all are spineless (though there are a couple (?) of species (?) of Urospatha in Fr. Guyana with ''roughish'' petioles), while the genus Dracontium is interesting in that certain species, the petioles demonstrate structures which look like spines, but are generally soft and not ''dangerously'' sharp!
I don`t know the origin of these spines in Aroids, but they must be a good form of defense against browsers and even perching birds, etc.
I hope this assists our friend Dmitry in his research.
Good Growing,
Julius
WPB, Florida
> From: phymatarum@googlemail.com
> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:36:19 +0800
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Thorns at anubiases
>
> Dear Dmitry,
>
> As I mentioned in my last email, we are really not all aware of what role
> such prickles might play in the aroids. As Tom has also mentioned they occur
> in Neotropical Homalomena too. The definition of a thorn is an indeterminate
> structure (such as a stem or root) capable of lateral growth through
> branching (and even of flowering and bearing leaves in some instances, that
> have a protective role. Thorns are most commonly found in Rosaceae (e.g.,
> Crataegus), Fabaceae (notably Gleditschia) and Rhamnaceae (many genera).
>
> Very best
>
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <dloginov@ineos.ac.ru>
> To: <aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 8:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Thorns at anubiases
>
>
> > Dear Peter,
> >
> > This error in terms is probably caused by features of transfer between
> > Russian and English. In Russian such epidermal outgrowths are called as
> > thorns. Indeed, I found in the literature that J. Bogner named them as
> > prickles, but he does not write about their role. I have only few
> > knowledge about others Aroids. Therefore, could You tell me about a role
> > of such prickles in Anubias?
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Dmitry Loginov
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