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From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Rogers
Sent: 12 August 2009 01:58
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana
Fascinating!
Thanks, Peter! So, obviously I had a few things confused. I am glad to know you are working on the group, and I hope that I can get a reprint when you publish.
You said that these plants send up a pair of inflorescences. My A. odora and my A. macrorrhizos have sent up single inflorescences, paired and sometimes three inflorescences. Am I seeing something different, or could this be ecophenotypic variation?
I really enjoy the genus Alocasia, and I do want to learn all I can about the taxonomy. I appreciate your help, and if you ever need any help with freshwater crustacean taxonomy, let me know. I be happy to return the favor!
Thanks for the help!
Christopher
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From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 11:53 PM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana
Hi Christopher,
These trans-Himalayan large-leaved Alocasia are taxonomic beasts! I’ve
recently tackled the northern Thai species and this is the current status
for those that I investigated.
What you describe as gageana is almost certainly odora; also it is very
likely that gageana is a syn. of odora BUT the type (of gageana) is missing
(presumed desctroyed) from Berlin and Engler’s description is too incomplete
to pin the name.
What you have as odora (yellow spathe) is definitely A. navicularis.
Alocasia macrorrhizos is almost certainly OK, but spathe colour is very
variable, from white, pinkish, purplish, and ‘yellow’ (actually somewhat
cream).
All of these species produce pairs of inflorescences arising in the leaf
axil (actually terminal on a branching module and then displaced by a new
leaf and thus appearing axillary.
Other names for the transhimalaya in this ‘macrorrhizos/odora’ complex are:
Alocasia cadieri Chantrier, Rev. Hort. 26: 326 (1939)
Alocasia cochinchensis, Pierre ex Engl. & K.Krause Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 103
(1920)
Alocasia decipiens Schott, Bonplandia (Hannover) 7: 28 (1859)
Alocasia decumbens Buchet, Bull. Mus. Natl. Hist. Nat., II, 11: 417 (1939)
Alocasia evrardii Gagnep., Fl. Indo-Chine 6: 1150 (1942)
Alocasia fallax Schott, Bonplandia (Hannover) 7: 28 (1859)
Alocasia fornicata (Roxb.) Schott, Oesterr. Bot. Wochenbl. 4: 410 (1854)
Alocasia grandis Clemenc., Rev. Hort. 1868: 380 (1868)
Alocasia grata Prain ex Engl. & Krause, Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 93 (1920)
Alocasia hainanensis K.Krause, Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 91 (1920)
Alocasia hainanica N.E.Br., J. Linn. Soc., Bot. 36: 183 (1903)
Alocasia lecomtei Engl., Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 90 (1920)
Alocasia liervalii Hérincq, Hort. Franc.: 243 (1869)
Alocasia longifolia Engl. & K.Krause, Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 103 (1920)
Alocasia montana (Roxb.) Schott, Oesterr. Bot. Wochenbl. 4: 410 (1854) -
almost certainly the correct name for A. hynosa
Alocasia putii Gagnep., Fl. Indo-Chine 6: 1150 (1942)
Alocasia tonkinensis Engl., Pflanzenr., IV, 23E: 91 (1920)
A LOT to do!
Alocasia robusta produces clusters of up to 20 inflorescences in the
‘middle’ of the plant, with the entire cluster then ‘pierced’ by the newly
emerging leaf, and is not part of the above complex, being closest to A.
puber, A. sarawakensis, etc.
Cheers
Peter
From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Christopher Rogers
Sent: 10 August 2009 03:40
To: Discussion of aroids
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana
Howdy, Pete!
I thought I had a handle on the large green, entire leaf margin Alocasia. My
understanding was that A. gageana had a green erect spathe, leaf sinus
reaching petiole; A. odora has a yellow erect spathe, and; A. macrorhiza had
a reflexed yellow spathe, with the leaf sinus not reaching the petiole. I am
not sure how A. robusta is separated out. So, I am surprised to hear that A.
gageana is a nomen dubium. Can you help me out on separating these beasts?
Cheers,
Christopher
D. Christopher Rogers
Invertebrate Ecologist
Telephone: 530.383.4798
EcoAnalysts, Inc.
PO Box 4098
Davis, CA 95616
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From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com on behalf of Peter Boyce
Sent: Sat 08-Aug-09 6:58 PM
To: 'Discussion of aroids'
Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana
Hi Barbara
This will be almost certainly Alocasia macrorrhizos in one of its numerous
colour forms. Alocasia gageana was described from northern Burma and is an
nom. dub.
Peter
From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com]
On Behalf Of Barbara
Sent: 07 August 2009 05:28
To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com
Subject: [Aroid-l] Alocaisa gageana
I purchased a plant labeled as Alocasia gageana aurea variegata but think I
read somewhere that aurea is not the proper name. I did a search on the
Aroidean but did not find the correct name. I am a novice but would like to
make sure the names are correct. I would appreciate any help.
Barbara
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