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From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2002.12.05 at 22:41:44(9679)
Dear Arnould,

A few answers for your questions:

1. Yes, Philodendron melanochrysum is the same thing as P. andreanum. They
were described for the same plant, adult and yong. As far as I remember, P.
melanochrysum is the name to be used.

2. I checked the only reminescent of Koch?s material of Philodendron selloum
and it is the same as P. bipinnatifidum, as Mayo noted almost 10 years ago.
However, there are two species commonly traded as P. bipinnatifidum, that
are P. lundii and P. mello-barretoanum. There will be an article I wrote on
this subject (P. bipinnatifidum complex) for the forthcoming Aroideana.

3. It is possible that P. radiatum and P. elegans are the same thing. I
think Tom Croat already checked on it before. (Any commnets, Tom). The other
two species (P. tortum and P. distantilobum) are well distinct and
recongizable. I have not seen P. pinnatilobum.

I hope it helps,


From: Tom Croat Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2002.12.06 at 20:15:34(9680)
Dear Eduardo:
Philodendron radiatum and P. elegans are distinct species but
admitedly they are similar, with the later being smaller, having fewer
divisions and drying darker. I am not sure about the flowers because I have
not compared them.


From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2002.12.07 at 01:58:24(9682)
Dear Tom,

Have you collected wild Philodendron elegans? As far as I known, it was
only an horticultural misfit, like those lots of species we will never find
again in the field. And what about P. angustissectum? Most material I have
seen identified as P. angustisectum was proven to be P. tortum, so I have
just realized that I don?t know a true P. angustissectum.

Very best wishes,


From: Tom Croat Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2002.12.08 at 20:32:15(9685)

P. angustisectum is a synonym of P. radiatum, not P. elegans.


From: Tom Croat Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2002.12.09 at 16:53:27(9700)
Dear Eduardo:

Philodendron elegans is smaller in all respects than P. radiatum and
since I have not personally collected this thing in South America I am not
certain of is validity. We have collections of it from Colombia. Valle,
Antioquia, Quindio, occurring from 750 to 2030 m. Most collections are from

I have seen the type of P. angustisectum and it is definitely P.
radiatum. Before I saw the type of P. angustisectum I did for a time
determine some specimens of P. tortum as P. angustisectum.


From: pmdes at ionet.co.za> on 2003.03.17 at 17:37:24(10049)
Hi Everybody,
I am going to Brasil for about 2 weeks and make stops in
Rio, Manaus, Salvador, Iguassu and Sao Paulo.
What are must see Botanical Gardens and nurseries that
specialise in Anthuriums,Philodenrons, Palms and maybe other interesting
plants in these stop over places.
Best Regards

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2003.03.17 at 19:27:58(10051)
Dear Peter,

I hope you have a great time in Brazil, one of the main aroid countries
in the world. We have 30 genera growing here and a few of them are endemic
such as: Gearum, Zomicarpa, Dracontioides, Asterostigma (as recircunscribed)
and Bognera (as yet). Other genera also occur in other countries but has
most of the diversity occurring here, as: Taccarum, Alloschemone,
Philodendron subg. Meconostigma, Anthurium sect. Urospadix, etc.
In Manaus, make a stop at INPA. They have small collection of
interesting aroids around the buildings of the Research Labs. I can?t
remember any good site in Salvador, but if you are going to Rio, don?t miss
Rio de Janeiro Botanical Garden and the Burle-Marx collection, that is not
so far from there. Burle-Marx collection worths itself the trip. I don?t
remember nothing special in Sao Paulo, but if you have some time, try to
visit the Instituto Plantarum, in Nova Odessa (more or less 100km from Sao
Paulo, near Campinas). It is not opened to the public, but you probably can
book a visit (www.plantarum.com.br). You can also see the plants in the
field. They are everywhere. If you want a specialized guide, contact Mauro
Peixoto (http://sites.uol.com.br/mpeixoto/) and he can take you to many
interesting places.

From: Tom Croat Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2003.03.17 at 19:42:22(10052)

Certainly the Rio de Janeiro Botanical Garden is well worth seeing.


From: pmdes at ionet.co.za> on 2003.03.19 at 06:29:51(10056)
Dear Eduardo,
thanks for your email. I will certainly enjoy the trip to your country.
Would it be possible to buy plants and export them with
the nessary permits? I would not like to end up as a biopirate. How much of
a effort would it be to get permits?
I do not intend to spend my holiday running from one damn office to the next
as I speak no Portugese at all.
Best Regards
From: angel morales angel151 at earthlink.net> on 2003.03.19 at 15:26:51(10057)
It all boils down to bureaucratic hypocrisy !! It's all right to slash and
burn the rain forest but not alright to salvage and remove a few plants for
study with out the long winded wait for a permit.

From: hermine hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2003.03.19 at 16:17:34(10058)
At 10:26 AM 03/19/2003 -0500, angel morales wrote:

It all boils down to bureaucratic hypocrisy !! It's all right to slash and
burn the rain forest but not alright to salvage and remove a few plants for
study with out the long winded wait for a permit.

I have been singing this song since the middle of the 1970s. I would
challenge anyone to show me a case of something being SAVED via CITES et al.


From: Leslie Georgeson skinnychick2 at yahoo.com> on 2003.07.01 at 20:54:39(10369)
Hi everyone,

I am somewhat new to several Alocasia species and wondered if someone could tell me the best conditions to grow the following:

A. amazonica
A. longiloba
A. red stem
A. frydek

Thank you.


From: "danny wilson" mudwasp_ at hotmail.com> on 2003.11.07 at 15:12:17(10781)
smoosh them with your fingers
>From: "Kirk Bowles"
>Reply-To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu
From: "T.A. Dros" <thomasdros at hotmail.com> on 2004.02.05 at 11:33:34(11082)
I'm new to this list so i'l introduce myself. I'm Thomas Dros and live in the netherlands. Ofcourse i'm a aroid freak, mostly interested in anthurium, syngonium and philodendron species. Anthurium has most of my interest. Besides those i have some arisaema species and lots of none araceae species.
With kind regards,
Thomas Dros

From: agrsuw at ku.ac.th on 2004.05.10 at 00:32:32(11481)
Dear Folks,

I would like to get help from you people.
I was asked to start a breeding program of long stalked and lobed leave
Philodendron. In doing so, I need to obtain as many species as possible for

From: "ron iles" <roniles at eircom.net> on 2004.08.15 at 00:09:36(11976)

And are Joe Wright & Boots OK as well?

Ron Iles

From: Wrig14 at aol.com on 2004.08.17 at 19:46:18(12013)
We are and are happy to have been spared damage to our home and bods! We
lost 12 massive oaks that changed our perspective for the futre , as for
landscapes. Thanks for asking Ron Joe

From: "Mark S Jackson" <xstrat7 at msn.com> on 2004.08.17 at 21:24:46(12014)

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