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  Urgent Request from Tom Croat,
From: Steve Marak <samarak at gizmoworks.com> on 2010.10.28 at 04:30:42(21581)
Aroiders,

The message below is from Tom Croat, who is having problems getting it
sent to the list, so I've forwarded it.

(Note that if you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but
rather to either the entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course
forward anything that comes to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you
want to communicate with Tom directly you'll have to change the address
manually to Tom's e-mail, Thomas.Croat@mobot.org )

Steve

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From: santoury at aol.com on 2010.10.28 at 04:40:42(21582)
Good evening,

I don't know how many of you were at the Miami IAS show, but there was one vendor selling Aglaonema costatum. I bought the "mother plant" and will be happy to take pictures. I do not know if there are any flowers hiding beneath the foliage, but I will check tomorrow. I wonder, does anybody else grow this plant? It was the first time I had seen this, and of course had to have it.
Tom, did you see this plant? If so, do you still desire photos?

Best, Jude

(Note that if you just reply to this message, it won't go to Tom, but rather to either the entire list [most likely] or me. I will of course forward anything that comes to me to Tom, but just be aware that if you want to communicate with Tom directly you'll have to change the address manually to Tom's e-mail, Thomas..Croat@mobot.org )
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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.10.28 at 04:48:40(21583)

Tom,

This IS a new Bognera.

Josef knows all about this. He mentioned it to me on the phone only last week.

Pete

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From: santoury at aol.com on 2010.10.28 at 05:17:50(21584)
Hi guys
I did a quick google on Aglaonema costatum, and all I come up with are all these fancy cultivars.

The mother plant, labeled A. costatum, from the IAS show has a growth habit and foliage that looks EXACTLY like Aspidistra lurida Milky Way. Did the vendor forget to label a specific cultivar name on this plant? Or is this the true, unmolested, natural species? (With all those lovely yellow dots.)

So, does anybody have a Bognera to trade? :)

Jude

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From: "Eduardo" <eduardo.goncalves at inhotim.org.br> on 2010.10.28 at 23:56:16(21587)
Dear Peter,

The hypothesis of an escaped Aglaonema (quite common in some
places in Amazonia) is just a clue to check on it, not a final word. Indians
use to keep beautiful plants with them as charms (“beenas”, as
Julius would love to mention) and many cultivated exotic species can be found
in abandoned settlements (including sansevieras and variegated Colocasia).
Anyhow, discarding this hypothesis and considering many aspects, it could even be
something else. In my opinion (only based on a limited set of pictures,
together with a description) it doesn´t seem to be closer to Bognera than to
any other “philodendroid” genus. However, considering that Bognera
is monospecific, we simply know nothing about acceptable intraspecific
variation. The “third” species of Bognera from Northern Brazil has
just proven to be a brand new genus! (confirmed by molecular phylogeny)

Dear Tom,

Tomorrow I will check if our A. costatum is flowering and, if
so, I will send you a picture. But there is a nice close up of the
inflorescence of this species in href="http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG">http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Aglaonema_costatum_003.JPG .. It is impossible to see female flowers, but you can compare with your picture
(they are both at the male phase). It would also be useful to send your picture
to Peter. He knows Asian genera pretty well and his opinion would be really
important.

Very best wishes,

Eduardo.

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From: "Tom Croat" <Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2010.11.02 at 01:53:11(21611)
Dear all:

My Internet Explorer is not working
right now. We just got the review copies of this paper describing this “new”
species and I think I will ask Norbert Killian to postpone publishing this
until I can research this further. I will try to send images to Pete and will
study the image you linked below as soon as my system works. Meanwhile I am
hoping that our plants flower again so that I can get more details. Eduardo,
since you probably know this thing best by now and have described this related
genus I will send you the pickled inflorescence. Would it get to you if I
mailed it?

Tom

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From: Peter Boyce <phymatarum at googlemail.com> on 2010.11.02 at 02:33:09(21615)
Dear Eduardo & Tom,

If the image in the pot is THE plant then it is very
convincingly Aglaonema. Note the weak pulvinus. All Aglaonema have a pulvunis
in that position. Asian Homalomena are all pulvinate, but the pulvinus is virtually
always ca 1/2– 1/3 up the petiole (from the base – exceptions include H.
crassinervia and a handful of new species, but this plant is none of them.

Eduardo: Very good to hear that you are also generating a slew
of new genera – makes us here in Asia feel less lonely/outlandish!

P.

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From: "Eduardo" <eduardo.goncalves at inhotim.org.br> on 2010.11.03 at 11:43:33(21634)
Dear Tom,

Surely I can dissect it and try to find out exaclty what it is. Send
in my name to the address below (Rua B, 20, Inhotim, CEP 35460-000, Brumadinho,
MG, Brazil).

Very best wishes,

Eduardo.

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From: "Eduardo" <eduardo.goncalves at inhotim.org.br> on 2010.11.09 at 17:49:21(21644)
Dear Tom (and other fellows),

I am sorry for the late reply but we are moving all aroids
to the 1000 m2 new greenhouse here! Many plants we thought we had lost or was
seriously needing repotting (like the real Bognera recondita) are now growing
in a fresh substrate. Anyhow, because of this hard work, I was able to spot a
few pots of flowering Aglaonema costatum. Here follows the pictures, in an RAR
compact file. One of the files are sketches of the male and the female
(transversally cut) flower. I think it is possible for you to compare, but
count on me to dissect your inflorescences. I can´t tell the difference between
A. costatum and the mistery plant, except for a shorter inflorescence (mine was
growing in a lighter area and tends to have shorter spadices).

Very best wishes,

Eduardo.

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From: =?utf-8?Q?Genevi=C3=A8ve_Ferry?= <jpcferry2 at wanadoo.fr> on 2010.11.12 at 17:47:24(21651)
Hello Eduardo,

Look the pictures of Aglaonema costatum on the site of David Scherberich .

We have Aglaonema costatum since many years cultived in the greenhouses of Nancy Botanical garden . If you had need materiel , I can help you .

www.aroidpictures.fr

Best wishes,

Geneviève Ferry

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