[Aroid-l] Aquatic aroids

From: ExoticRainforest <Steve at ExoticRainforest.com> on 2009.09.26 at 19:12:47 Thanks Carol.  I've grown them in apond when we lived in Miami and indeed they do climb right out of thewater.  I'll do some serious checking before I commit to any particularplant so thanks for the advice. Right now I have a total of 550 watts of compact lighting ready to hangover the tank.  I've grown living coral aquariums since 1990 and havehad as much as 1200 watts of metal halide and other sources ofhi-intensity light on a single aquarium  I've seen far too many plantsdie as a result of poor illumination.  If you check some of the bettercoral reef aquarium books published by Microcosum you'll find quite afew of my photos. Steve www.ExoticRainforest.com REDRAGON40@aol.com wrote: Steve: You may want to check carefully which Amazon swordplant you get.It depends on whether you want it to grow out of the water and how bigyou want it to get.  The final size is important to know ahead of timebecause swordplant (Echinodorus spp.) roots are invasive to say theleast, and removing it later might be problematic.  I had one that Iput in a tub outdoors that was almost two feet deep and the swordplantput out emersed growth two feet above that.  They are heavy ironfeeders and grow like crazy in conditions they like.  Swordplantsactually prefer to grow emersed and one of the appropriate size wouldbe magnificent.  There are also varieties with different amounts ofreddish coloring which could possibly harmonize with your  aroidsbetter than the bright brittle green of some of the ones most commonlyseen in the pet shops.  You might also consider some of the reallysmall types as companions to the other plants you have at the "riversedge"   Carol Ross, Bucks County Aquarium Society   < ' )))><   In a message dated 9/24/2009 1:18:11 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,Steve@exoticrainforest.com writes: Marek, sorry for the delay in responding.  We've been at theIAS show in Miami.  Next year we need to get a jet filled with all you aroidersfrom Europe to join us! If you check the link I gave you'll see that Devin has created some really neat planting devices that allow you to suction cup the pots to the back of the aquarium.  If the plants will tolerate the water youcan plant them lower and if not just place them higher on the back wall. He suggests using sand or gravel to create the bottom of river and youjust keep the larger rocks turned to keep the algae down.  Rocks and driftwood are used to hide the planters which are neatly devised. Devin displayed these at the IAS show and I think he has a hit on his hands.  I'm about to set up a 55 gallon aquarium using his products and sincehe is on Aroid l I'm sure he'll answer any of your questions. His design allows us to simulate a river's edge with aroids appearingto grow terrestrially along the river bank but plants such as /Spathiphyllum/ can be grown in the water or at least partially wet. In my case I'm going to plant small /Philodendron/ and other aroids on the "river bank" using Devin's pots and the put large rocks and gravel in the bottom.   I plan to use a larger rocks and rocks along with driftwood to hide the pots.  I'll use the driftwood for the plants to climb on and a large Amazon sword which can be bought at almost any aquarium store as the underwater centerpiece.  For fish I'm going to stick with around 12 neon tetras. The plants will be the actual display and the fish are only to allow movement and life. If the bio load islow the build up of nitrates is minimal and algae stays low. Anyone that tries this needs to keep the bio load low or you'll have a build up of nitrates.  However, in this case those nitrates will beused by any plant with roots in the water.  Having kept living coral reefs for many years I've learned that if you simply put an undergravelfilter beneath the rocks and gravel you'll create an anoxic zone which also helps to lower the nitrate build up.  Just don't hook the undergravel filter up!  The tank will also need a filter but external filters work fine for this purpose. For light I'm having a hi intensity aquarium light hung from theceiling which will keep the plants healthy. Here's the link again: http://hydrophytesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/10-ix-09-tank-i-b.jpg I'd suggest you go through all Devin's links and look at this photosand read his explanation.  The concept is really simple and neat.   Having kept large aquariums for 50 years I think this one will bespectacular.  I plan to talk to Tom and see what aroids might tolerate the water so I can have a larger choice of plants for the background. Many philos are rooted in water so should do well and some Anthurium species may dowell if not drowned. Forgive me if this is full of typos!  My desktop is in the shop for a tuneup and I'm trying to type on a laptop with tiny keys!!! Here's another photo Devin sent today of a tank of /Spathiphyllum/. Tom told me a few months ago these plants are "water hogs". Steve www.ExoticRainforest.com >  > > Hello, > >  > > Are the large plants (like Colocasia) in pots? > > I don't think they would grow good in so shallow gravel. > > What fertilizers do they use? > >  > > I also have a problem with long brown algae in a classicalaquarium, > > any fish doesn't eat them, and I don't know what to use not tokill > plants and fishes. > > The algae grow on everything, on plants, wood, stones and even onglass. > > I reduced the lighting form 60W to 30W, but they still grow slowly > killing the plants. > > The dimensions of my tank are 100x40x50 cm (40x16x20 inches) -about > 200 l. > > Can anybody help? > >  > > Marek > >  > >  > >     ----- Original Message ----- > >     *From:* ExoticRainforest<mailto:Steve@exoticrainforest.com> > >     *To:* Discussion of aroids<mailto:aroid-l@gizmoworks.com> > >     *Sent:* Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:47 PM > >     *Subject:* [Aroid-l] Aquatic aroids > >      > > >     I posted a note a week or two ago about Devin Biggs' aquaticaroid >     website.  These are some of his newest photos of a 65 gallontank: > >        > >    http://hydrophytesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/11-ix-09-tank-i-m.jpg  > >    http://hydrophytesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/scratch-colocasia-ii.jpg  > >    http://hydrophytesblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/scratch-colocasia-i.jpg  > >        > >     He said he thought the tank was looking "pretty good".  I'dsay that is a major understatement!  > >        > >     Devin will be at the IAS show in Miami next week.  If youlike to grow aquatics you'd be wise to find him!    > >     I promise I will!  > >        > >        > >     Steve  > >     www.ExoticRainforest.com<http://www.ExoticRainforest.com>  > >        > >        > >     _______________________________________________ >     Aroid-L mailing list >     Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com >     http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > >     Wewnetrzna Baza danych wirusów jest nieaktualna. >     Sprawdzone przez AVG - www.avg.com >     Wersja: 8.5.409 / Baza danych wirusów: 270.13.78/2347 - Data >     wydania: 09/05/09 05:51:00 > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.102/2377 - Release Date: > 09/17/09 06:18:00 > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >   >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.104/2379 - Release Date:09/17/09 15:55:00 > >   _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-L mailing listAroid-L@www.gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l --------------020206000102020703060800

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