From: Alex Popovkin <popovkin at gmail.com> on 2011.02.12 at 18:43:24
Marek asked:=C2=A0Can a Latin feminine word end with -us?
Some of the feminine nouns of the 3rd declension: e.g.,=C2=A0palus 'marsh, bog, swamp',=C2=A0virtus 'virtue'.
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On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Marek Argent <abri1973@wp.pl> wrote:
One more thing: Quercus, Fagus, Fraxinus, Malus, Pyrus, Prunus, Pinus, Alnus, Eucalyptus=C2=A0- all they end with -us suggesting a masculine gender while most of their specific epithets are feminine.
Can a Latin feminine word end with -us?
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The gender of a genus is unrelated to the habit of the plants it contains, though I think it is true to say that a majority of generic names are feminine. Calophyllum is a neuter genus of trees, and Elaeocarpus is a masculine one, for example.
Dear Dylan,
All "tradicional" trees are female in Latin. The question is that "tradicional" are trees defined as so. Syagrus is a female word because it is considered a tree but probably Cicerus never mentioned it in his classical texts. Moreover, we are not exactly sure that all palms are trees (mainly in Syagrus, with plants of some species reaching no more than 30 cm tall).=C2=A0
The borderline is quite fuzzy and tricky.=C2=A0
Very best wishes,=C2=A0
Eduardo.=C2=A0
Em 08/02/2011, =C3=A0s 12:24, Hannon escreveu:
Dear Eduardo,
Thank you for this inquiry, it is good to know these things.
Alistair,
So would we have Alocasia scalprifolia for an adjectival epithet then?
Regarding the example of Pinus, I believe all tree genera are regarded as feminine, no matter their origin. How lines are drawn between trees and non-trees I do not know.
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Dylan Hannon
On 7 February 2011 07:12, Eduardo Gomes Goncalves <eduardo.goncalves@inhotim.org.br> wrote:
Dear Alistair=C2
You are absolutely correct. I have re-checked this morning and "titanum" is the genitive plural of "titan" so it means exactly "of the titans". Since it came from greek, its declension is anomalous.=C2=A0
Many thanks for your help.=C2=A0
Very best wishes,
Eduardo.=C2=A0
Em 06/02/2011, =C3=A0s 21:15, Alistair Hay escreveu:
I think the point is that not all speces epithets are adjectival, so they do not necessarily have to agree with the gender of the genus.
For example in Alocasia scalprum the epithet is a noun which happens to be neuter: the knife alocasia. An adjectival latin epithet in Alocasia would indeed be feminine: =C2=A0Alocasia indica: the indian Alocasia.
Aglaonema is a neuter genus, as are Cyrtosperma, Arisaema and Syngonium. So its Aglaonema rotundum, Cyrtosperma cuspidispathum, Arisaema concinnum and Syngonium chiapense when the epithet is adjectival.
In Amorphophallus titanum, =C2=A0the epithet is not an adjective. I am uncertain but fairly sure it is the genitive plural, meaning "of the titans" or something like that. It does not mean the adjective "titanic".
Alistair
Dear Eduardo,
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A good point.
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The suffix -um is neutral and it=C2=A0fits to all grammatic genera:
Also feminine botanical genera species epithet can end with -um,
the examples are: Arisaema triphyllum,=C2=A0Alocasia scalprum, Aglaonema commutatum, Syngonium auritum...
But indeed, I have never=C2=A0heard another=C2=A0construction like Amorphophallus titanum.
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I always wondered=C2=A0why Alocasia macrorrhizos is a proper name,=C2=A0the epithet is of Greek origin,
and I don't know why it is=C2=A0named so. The suffix -os is masculine in Greek, and Alocasia is feminine.
And what do you think about the name Synandrospadix vermitoxicus?
I can't find anywhere what is the gender of the word "spadix". Isn't it feminine?
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There is also=C2=A0one important note,
many people erroneously take genera ending with=C2=A0-is as masculine, but it is feminine,
Ariopsis peltata=C2=A0or in other families Iris=C2=A0pumila, Clematis lanuginosa=C2=A0etc.=C2=A0
Also the genera ending with -as are feminine: Anubias gigantea, Zamioculcas zamiifolia, Cycas revoluta.
But... the pine tree, Pinus seems to be a masculine word, and we have Pinus sylvestris, P. excelsa, P. nigra,
while=C2=A0some other species of pine end usually with -us: like=C2=A0Pinus strobus.
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Strange things...
Marek
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Dear fellows,=C2=A0
I have a silly (but important) question for you. As far as I know, Amophophallus is a masculine word, am I correct?
In Latin, except for the name of traditional trees (Malus, Pyrus, etc), all names ended in -us are male names. So it is correct to say that all adjective epithets in Amorphophallus species =C2=A0end with -us (A. gomboczianus, A. hirsutus, A lunatus, A. glaucophyllus, etc).=C2=A0
Why Amophophallus titanum is not A. titanus? Other species with a similar epithet (I don't remember none in plant kingdom, but I know Dorcus titanus - a beetle)... =C2=A0Wilbert, do you have any reason for this?
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