new ID request

From: Lester Kallus <lkallus at earthlink.net> on 1999.04.13 at 15:12:31(3260) There's a new request for an ID on the ID site. The inflorescence looks something like a paeoniifolius to me, but if it's growing in central Kentucky, I find it hard to believe it would be hardy and naturalizing. Anyway, check out the image (small, but hopefully adequate) at: http://www.kallus.com/aroids/aroidid/id.html +More Les

From: "Peter Boyce" <pb02kg at lion.rbgkew.org.uk> on 1999.04.13 at 15:36:45(3261) Les Dracunculus vulgaris - the Dragon Arum native to the central and eastern Med. Pete +More ---------------------------- Peter Boyce Herbarium Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew Richmond, Surrey TW9 3AE Tel. (+44) (0)181 332 5207 ((+ 44) 208 332 5207 from June 1999) fax. (+44) (0)208 332 5278 ((+44) 208 332 5207 from June 1999) email: p.boyce@rbgkew.org.uk (work) boyce@pothos.demon.co.uk (home)

From: Mitsukiwi at aol.com on 1999.04.14 at 15:19:00(3263) In a message dated 4/13/99 11:13:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lkallus@earthlink.net writes: << +More There's a new request for an ID on the ID site. The inflorescence looks something like a paeoniifolius to me, but if it's growing in central Kentucky, I find it hard to believe it would be hardy and naturalizing. >> Les, Don't let the location throw you. I grew and flowered A. paeonifolius in the ground in central Ohio for over 20 years with no problems. I would find new plantlets in many different places in my yard. I agree, the picture in question looks somewhat like paeonifolius to me also. Nancy Florida Zone 10

From: Damian Trownson <DrPaulBear at xtra.co.nz> on 1999.04.14 at 15:22:46(3264) Lester Kallus wrote: > > There's a new request for an ID on the ID site. The inflorescence looks > something like a paeoniifolius to me, but if it's growing in central > Kentucky, I find it hard to believe it would be hardy and naturalizing. > > Anyway, check out the image (small, but hopefully adequate) at: > http://www.kallus.com/aroids/aroidid/id.html +More > > Les It looks to very like Drunculus vulgaris to me . Paul.

From: Sue <suez at northcoast.com> on 1999.04.14 at 21:55:34(3265) Hello Nancy, >I grew and flowered A. paeonifolius in the ground in central Ohio for over 20 years with no problems.< I have a question for you about A. paeoniifolius even though I gave my only nice 'big' bulb away to a friend thinking it was A. odoradus, then couldn't take it back. I either got this one from Wilbert H., Dewey Fisk. Shamefully I didn't mark that one with a name, so thank you both! It was cearly marked as paeoniifolius mind you, but the mind was saying the other three I have up and growing were paeoniifolius, and that I had plenty when in reality they were odoradus. I had been waiting for WELL over a year (going on two actually) for paeoniifolius to start growing, and had been sheltering it inside for that long. I had no idea it could be grown outside. It was still nice and firm when I managed to find it a new home. Do you know what brings these out of dormancy? Does it take a cold spell? I have been watering it off and on for that long, but it didn't seem to respond to wet spells. Do you recall if they like to be kept dry, wet or somewhere in between once they do start growing so I can pass this on to my friend? I do have some new little seeds from Allan Galloway (thanks Allan) to which I can apply this information also. I have yet to see this plant. There is also a question about A. odoradus that I would like to put up to the list. The three plants I have growing from Wilbert (thank you Wilbert, they are beautiful!), are 2' tall with a leaf span of 2 1/2' if the leaves would spread out like I think they should, and this is the question. They are tending to curl under even though they have grown out of 6" pots and into 1 gallon pots this season. These are growing inside, and reach slightly toward the nearest window. The leaves are cuplike to the underside. Do the leaves naturally curl under? Can these be grown outside in zone 9? Thank you all, Sue Zunino

From: Krzysztof Kozminski <kk at netgate.net> on 1999.04.16 at 16:13:19(3271) On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 Mitsukiwi@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/13/99 11:13:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > lkallus@earthlink.net writes: > +More > << > There's a new request for an ID on the ID site. The inflorescence looks > something like a paeoniifolius to me, but if it's growing in central > Kentucky, I find it hard to believe it would be hardy and naturalizing. > >> > > Les, > Don't let the location throw you. I grew and flowered A. paeonifolius > in the ground in central Ohio for over 20 years with no problems. I would > find new plantlets in many different places in my yard. I agree, the picture > in question looks somewhat like paeonifolius to me also. I am no expert by any stretch of imagination, but it seesm to me that if you think that the picture in question looks like A. paeonifolius, then whatever it was that you grew outdoors in Ohio could not have been possibly an A. paeonifolius. Compare the photos of the actual A. paeonifolius inflorescence: http://hoya.mobot.org/ias/Gallery/Fisk/Amorphophallus_paeoniifolius_2.jpg, or http://hoya.mobot.org/ias/Gallery/Fisk/Amorphophallus_paeoniifolius_1.jpg, or http://hoya.mobot.org/ias/Genera/Amorphophallus/inflclose.html, or http://hoya.mobot.org/ias/Gallery/Fisk/apaeon7.jpg or http://www4.ncsu.edu/~alan/plants/aroids/amorphophallus/4.html to http://www.kallus.com/aroids/aroidid/mflower1.jpg and others. They are so dissimilar, that I can't see how the confusion of the two could have occurred. Ohio is mostly zone 5, with traces of 6... Wilbert, is there any chance that A.paeonifolius could survive -10F in winter ??? KK ==================== "Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking" Krzysztof Kozminski kk@netgate.net http://u1.netgate.net/~kk/

From: Lester Kallus <lkallus at earthlink.net> on 1999.04.16 at 20:14:08(3272) Consider the confusion to have come from chronic sleep deprivation on an uninformed mind. Now that I've been informed of the true ID, I clearly see what it is. +More It wasn't I, though, who was growing it outdoors in Ohio. In fact, I've been there just once. Anyway, now that I know it's a Dracunculus that grows naturally there, I tend to wonder why I paid $15 last year for one that rolled over dead within a week of purchase. (Perhaps I should go back to Ohio.) Les

From: Wilbert Hetterscheid <hetter at vkc.nl> on 1999.04.19 at 15:59:55(3277) Dear Sue, The curling of the leaves you mention is atypical and indicates a slight distrubance in development. This may happen with the leaves when the atmosphere is too dry or too sunny or too cold, or when the potting soil is too dry during unfolding. Maybe there are more reasons but these are common ones. Take your pick! Cheers, Wilbert +More > ---------- > From: Sue[SMTP:suez@northcoast.com] > Reply To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Sent: woensdag 14 april 1999 23:54 > To: hetter@vkc.nl > Subject: Re: new ID request > > Hello Nancy, > > >I grew and flowered A. paeonifolius in the ground in central Ohio for > over 20 years with no problems.< > > I have a question for you about A. paeoniifolius even though I gave my > only nice 'big' bulb away to a friend thinking it was A. odoradus, > then > couldn't take it back. I either got this one from Wilbert H., Dewey > Fisk. Shamefully I didn't mark that one with a name, so thank you > both! It was cearly marked as paeoniifolius mind you, but the mind > was > saying the other three I have up and growing were paeoniifolius, and > that I had plenty when in reality they were odoradus. I had been > waiting for WELL over a year (going on two actually) for paeoniifolius > to start growing, and had been sheltering it inside for that long. I > had no idea it could be grown outside. It was still nice and firm > when > I managed to find it a new home. Do you know what brings these out of > dormancy? Does it take a cold spell? I have been watering it off and > on > for that long, but it didn't seem to respond to wet spells. Do you > recall if they like to be kept dry, wet or somewhere in between once > they do start growing so I can pass this on to my friend? I do have > some new little seeds from Allan Galloway (thanks Allan) to which I > can > apply this information also. I have yet to see this plant. > > There is also a question about A. odoradus that I would like to put up > to the list. The three plants I have growing from Wilbert (thank you > Wilbert, they are beautiful!), are 2' tall with a leaf span of 2 1/2' > if > the leaves would spread out like I think they should, and this is the > question. They are tending to curl under even though they have grown > out of 6" pots and into 1 gallon pots this season. These are growing > inside, and reach slightly toward the nearest window. The leaves are > cuplike to the underside. Do the leaves naturally curl under? Can > these be grown outside in zone 9? > > Thank you all, > Sue Zunino >

From: Sue <suez at northcoast.com> on 1999.04.19 at 22:20:18(3281) Dear Wilbert, Thank you very much for this. I was going to either drown them, or bake them. I wasn't sure which to do. They aren't too bad, but they don't look normal either. They were VERY cramped in the 6" pots, so probably didn't get enough moisture while unfurling, not to mention their being in the house with little moisture in the air. If I knew that I could put them in the greenhouse right now, I would do that so they could get more humidity, but I'm not sure of their low temp. tolerances. It probably still gets down to around 50 in there at night, but it's warming up fast. They are very nice plants this year. They at least doubled in size. +More I'm discovering that many of my moisture loving Aroids, including Anthruium vietchii, will tolerate much less humidity in the air than I thought. Sometimes, like the odoradus, they show some signs of deprivation, but not much and not many of them, provided they are satisfied with water in their medium. Thank you again, SueZ

From: Victor Soukup <soukupvg at email.uc.edu> on 1999.04.20 at 17:54:02(3282) Les, There are two Dracunculus species, both essentially Mediterranean: D. canariensis from far southwestern Europe and the Canary Islands and the species figuring in the current debate, D. vulgaris, from SE to SW Europe. Neither occurs naturally in North America. From the discussion of about six months ago, you will remember that D. canariensis is tender and will not stand temepratures much below freezing point, and those only at wide intervals. D. vulgaris is rather commonly planted in this area (Cincinnati -- Southwestern Ohio on the Ohio River) and seems to be hardy. We seldom have snow cover and have on rare occasions (1977-78) had three days of -23 degrees F with days only at -10. It is thus quite inconceivable that the plant in question is anything but D. vulgaris, in spite of the poor quality of the photos. Of the "hardy" Amorphophallus species, only A. konjac, supposedly the hardiest, will with proper siting and as necessary winter protection, over winter here. +More Cheers, Vic SoukupAt 03:16 PM 4/16/99 -0500, you wrote: >Consider the confusion to have come from chronic sleep deprivation on an >uninformed mind. Now that I've been informed of the true ID, I clearly see >what it is. > >It wasn't I, though, who was growing it outdoors in Ohio. In fact, I've >been there just once. Anyway, now that I know it's a Dracunculus that >grows naturally there, I tend to wonder why I paid $15 last year for one >that rolled over dead within a week of purchase. (Perhaps I should go back >to Ohio.) > > Les > > > Victor G. Soukup Herbarium Department of Biological Sciences University of Cincinnati Cincinnati, OH 45221-0006

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