Amorph paeoniifolius

From: plantnut at macconnect.com (Dewey Fisk) on 1999.04.14 at 22:02:50(3267) Folks, If you thought that the ID Photo that Lester just put out on the ID Page (Dracunculus vulgaris) looked like subject plant..... Go to the IAS Web site.... Click on the 'Galery' button on the left... then go down the list till you get to Dewey Fisk.... Click on that name... then, you will see several photos of Amorphophallus paeoniifolius. Dewey +More Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE Your Source for Tropical Araceae Go to

From: Wilbert Hetterscheid <hetter at vkc.nl> on 1999.04.19 at 16:03:50(3278) Guys 'n dolls, I guess we must settle this point. The said photo is of Dracunculus vulgaris. Am. paeoniifolius would not survive subzero (in Celsius that is) and looks quite different. For one thing, Dracunculus has a "stem" with leaves while flowering. Am. paeoniifolius flowers leafless, and there is much more. Cheers, Wilbert +More > ---------- > From: plantnut@macconnect.com[SMTP:plantnut@macconnect.com] > Reply To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Sent: donderdag 15 april 1999 0:01 > To: hetter@vkc.nl > Subject: Amorph paeoniifolius > > Folks, > If you thought that the ID Photo that Lester just put out on the ID > Page > (Dracunculus vulgaris) looked like subject plant..... Go to the IAS > Web > site.... Click on the 'Galery' button on the left... then go down > the > list till you get to Dewey Fisk.... Click on that name... then, you > will > see several photos of Amorphophallus paeoniifolius. > Dewey > > Dewey E. Fisk, Plant Nut > THE PHILODENDRON PHREAQUE > Your Source for Tropical Araceae > Go to > > >

From: Mitsukiwi at aol.com on 1999.04.19 at 22:13:24(3280) In a message dated 4/19/99 12:03:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hetter@vkc.nl writes: << +More I guess we must settle this point. The said photo is of Dracunculus vulgaris. Am. paeoniifolius would not survive subzero (in Celsius that is) and looks quite different. For one thing, Dracunculus has a "stem" with leaves while flowering. Am. paeoniifolius flowers leafless, and there is much more. >> Hi Wilbert, Not to argue with the authorities here but I disagree that A. paeonifolius will not survive in subzero temperatures in the ground with protection. Again, I want to reiterate that I did not say that the photo in question WAS A. paeonifolius but only that it looked SOMEWHAT like one. The plant that I had in Ohio in zone 6 was not a Dracunculus. I only recently obtained a tuber of Dracunculus and the leaves and plant in general look nothing like my A. paeonifolius. There is no question as to the identity of the A. paeonifolius that I have had for more years than I care to recount. My mother also had one planted on the east side of her house in Columbus, Ohio, again zone 6. Unfortunately, she has passed away or I would have had her take a picture of it and post it to the list! Over a period of years, I had given quite a few tubers away and they all seemed to thrive there as well. I am still growing offsets from the original tuber and if they weren't dormant, I would post pictures of those to the list also! Regards, Nancy Phillips

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 1999.04.20 at 17:59:07(3283) In a message dated 4/19/99 12:03:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, hetter@vkc.nl writes: << +More I guess we must settle this point. The said photo is of Dracunculus vulgaris. Am. paeoniifolius would not survive subzero (in Celsius that is) and looks quite different. For one thing, Dracunculus has a "stem" with leaves while flowering. Am. paeoniifolius flowers leafless, and there is much more. >> >Hi Wilbert, Not to argue with the authorities here but I disagree that A. paeonifolius will not survive in subzero temperatures in the ground with protection. Again, I want to reiterate that I did not say that the photo in question WAS A. paeonifolius but only that it looked SOMEWHAT like one. The plant that I had in Ohio in zone 6 was not a Dracunculus. I only recently obtained a tuber of Dracunculus and the leaves and plant in general look nothing like my A. paeonifolius. There is no question as to the identity of the A. paeonifolius that I have had for more years than I care to recount. My mother also had one planted on the east side of her house in Columbus, Ohio, again zone 6. Unfortunately, she has passed away or I would have had her take a picture of it and post it to the list! Over a period of years, I had given quite a few tubers away and they all seemed to thrive there as well. I am still growing offsets from the original tuber and if they weren't dormant, I would post pictures of those to the list also! Regards, Nancy Phillips<< Dear Nancy, In an attempt to positivly identify 'your' plant, would you be so kind as to let us know the answers to the following-- Was the 'flower' tall or short?? The reason I ask is that there are two common Amorphophallus species that are grown in the U.S.A.--- A. paeonifolius, which has a short, broad 'flower' and which is not usually grown far North, and is not known to be cold tollerant, and A. konjac which has a 'flower' with a tall stem, and is known to be cold tollerant, and is been commonly grown up North. The flower of Dracunculus does look vaguely like a small 'flower' of A. konjac, while in fact it looks NOTHING like the 'flower' of A. paeonifolius, which leads me to believe that perhaps you were and are sucessfully growing A. konjac, which would NOT be at all surprising up North. Cheers, And good growing, Julius

From: Mitsukiwi at aol.com on 1999.04.21 at 15:25:49(3291) In a message dated 4/20/99 1:58:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ju-bo@email.msn.com writes: << +More Dear Nancy, In an attempt to positivly identify 'your' plant, would you be so kind as to let us know the answers to the following-- Was the 'flower' tall or short?? The reason I ask is that there are two common Amorphophallus species that are grown in the U.S.A.--- A. paeonifolius, which has a short, broad 'flower' and which is not usually grown far North, and is not known to be cold tollerant, and A. konjac which has a 'flower' with a tall stem, and is known to be cold tollerant, and is been commonly grown up North. The flower of Dracunculus does look vaguely like a small 'flower' of A. konjac, while in fact it looks NOTHING like the 'flower' of A. paeonifolius, which leads me to believe that perhaps you were and are sucessfully growing A. konjac, which would NOT be at all surprising up North. Cheers, And good growing, Julius >> Hi Julius, I will attempt to describe my A. paeonifolius the best I can. First, the flower appears. Then after flowering, the single spotted/mottled leaf stalk appears. The leaf stalk is approximately 4 feet tall with one very large leaf with many deep lobes. The flower is low to the ground, giving the appearance of having no stem, rather large, nearly as wide as it is tall. It reminds me of a deformed, strangely colored head of cabbage with the center resembling a human brain that goes to a point. The outer leaves of the 'cabbage' are spotted while the center (brain part) is sort of purplish! Geez....it's hard to describe the flower but I hope this will give you the general picture. It looks nothing like the flower of A. konjac or any other Amorph that I know of. Regards, Nancy

From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 1999.04.22 at 16:07:33(3296) In a message dated 4/20/99 1:58:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ju-bo@email.msn.com writes: >>>>Hi Julius, +More I will attempt to describe my A. paeonifolius the best I can. First, the flower appears. Then after flowering, the single spotted/mottled leaf stalk appears. The leaf stalk is approximately 4 feet tall with one very large leaf with many deep lobes. The flower is low to the ground, giving the appearance of having no stem, rather large, nearly as wide as it is tall. It reminds me of a deformed, strangely colored head of cabbage with the center resembling a human brain that goes to a point. The outer leaves of the 'cabbage' are spotted while the center (brain part) is sort of purplish! Geez....it's hard to describe the flower but I hope this will give you the general picture. It looks nothing like the flower of A. konjac or any other Amorph that I know of. Regards, Nancy<< Dear Nancy, I feel the same as Steve said in an earlier post, you certainly seem to be growing Am. paeonifollius MUCH colder than has been previously reported!!! I`m sure that this is quite a surprise to many on this list, and must thank you so very much for taking the time to provide the info. so that at least we could rule out A. konjac. At a later date a photo of the bloom would be an excellent idea, as would the distrubition/sale of small offsets of your clone to other members in the cold/cool Northern climes who would want to grow and test the cold resistance to this previously thought-to-be warmth loving Amorphophallus species! Thanks again. We learn something new EVERY day if only we keep our ears and minds open, and ask questions and persue all leads!! Good growing, Julius ju-bo@msn.com

From: Krzysztof Kozminski <kk at netgate.net> on 1999.04.23 at 15:00:44(3299) Wow, this is extraordinary. Considering your description, I now quite understand that you might find offense in a suggestion that the ID of A.paeonifoilus might be incorrect. My apologies for doubting. I still think that 'somewhat like A.p' should have been 'nothing even close to A.p', but that's now an irrelevant matter of personal taste. Hey, since Wilbert asserted that A.p. cannot survive freezing, you might be able to get a cold-hardy cultivar or variety named after yourself :-) Just a thought. +More Cheers KK --------------- On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 Mitsukiwi@aol.com wrote: > Hi Julius, > I will attempt to describe my A. paeonifolius the best I can. First, > the flower appears. Then after flowering, the single spotted/mottled leaf > stalk appears. The leaf stalk is approximately 4 feet tall with one very > large leaf with many deep lobes. The flower is low to the ground, giving the > appearance of having no stem, rather large, nearly as wide as it is tall. It > reminds me of a deformed, strangely colored head of cabbage with the center > resembling a human brain that goes to a point. The outer leaves of the > 'cabbage' are spotted while the center (brain part) is sort of purplish! > Geez....it's hard to describe the flower but I hope this will give you the > general picture. It looks nothing like the flower of A. konjac or any other > Amorph that I know of. > > Regards, > Nancy ==================== "Microsoft is to software what McDonalds is to gourmet cooking" Krzysztof Kozminski kk@netgate.net http://u1.netgate.net/~kk/

From: Mitsukiwi at aol.com on 1999.04.23 at 15:09:18(3301) In a message dated 4/22/99 6:21:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kk@netgate.net writes: << +More Hey, since Wilbert asserted that A.p. cannot survive freezing, you might be able to get a cold-hardy cultivar or variety named after yourself :-) Just a thought. Cheers KK >> I can see it in the catalog now..... A. paeonifolius 'Nancy' - a strangely deformed, purple-brained, foul smelling sorta cabbage-like flower. LOL!!! Nancy

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