looking for Raphidophora celatocaulis

From: Jack Honeycutt jhoneycutt at uswest.net> on 2000.06.10 at 03:31:35(4699) While traveling in Miami Florida about 6 months ago, I visited Fairchild Tropical Gardens. In the greenhouse was a lovely tropical vine. The leaves did not swing in the wind, but were almost glued flat to the surface that they were climbing. It looked like something from a Science Fiction move; like a plant from another planet.... The tag at Fairchild ID'ed this as Raphidophora sp. The plant came from a botanical garden in New Guinea. The common name is 'The Shingle Plant'. Calling around, I found a fellow at rareplants.com (The Glasshouse Works) who suspected that this was R. celatocaulis. He had a Raphidophora, but not the one I am looking for. I would be interested in reading more about this genera, and would appreciate any referrals to any books or articles (I just found and joined the Aroid Society yesterday). I would also be interested in being referred to anyone (or a nursery) who might have a cutting of this plant for sale or trade. I am new to this list and I look forward to learning more about this group of plants. +More Thanks in advance. Jack in Portland Oregon

From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2000.06.10 at 17:09:08(4706) Jack, Was this shingle plant beautifully marked with reticulate white veins? I have what I assume is a Raphidophora (courtesy of Hans Hvissers in the Netherlands) with the loveliest leaves of almost any aroid I know. As you say, it looks like it is glued to the host. I also have another, plainer species or variant with dark olive leaves and a single slightly paler central vein. I will post pics later today and let people know. Perhaps they can give opinions. +More Geoffrey Kibby

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 2000.06.10 at 17:16:56(4710) Dear Jack, Many 'vining' Aroids do this, Philodendron, Monstera and Raphidophora come to mind, it is a response to the growing conditions, and is a 'juvinile' form of the plant which does and will change to one with 'normal' leaves once it encounters different/'better' conditions higher up the tree, rock face, or in the case of Fairchild Gardens, the wall! Good luck in your quest! Cheers and good growing, Julius +More >While traveling in Miami Florida about 6 months ago, I visited Fairchild Tropical Gardens. In the greenhouse was a lovely tropical vine. The leaves did not swing in the wind, but were almost glued flat to the surface that they were climbing. It looked like something from a Science Fiction move; like a plant from another planet.... The tag at Fairchild ID'ed this as Raphidophora sp. The plant came from a botanical garden in New Guinea. The common name is 'The Shingle Plant'. Calling around, I found a fellow at rareplants.com (The Glasshouse Works) who suspected that this was R. celatocaulis. He had a Raphidophora, but not the one I am looking for. I would be interested in reading more about this genera, and would appreciate any referrals to any books or articles (I just found and joined the Aroid Society yesterday). I would also be interested in being referred to anyone (or a nursery) who might have a cutting of this plant for sale or trade. I am new to this list and I look forward to learning more about this group of plants. Thanks in advance. Jack in Portland Oregon

From: Jack Honeycutt jhoneycutt at uswest.net> on 2000.06.11 at 00:07:50(4712) At 12:10 PM 6/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Was this shingle plant beautifully marked with reticulate white veins? I have >what I assume is a Raphidophora (courtesy of Hans Hvissers in the >Netherlands) with the loveliest leaves of almost any aroid I know. I am looking at some snap shots now and yes, it has white veins. My scanner is off line (I need to free up a ISA slot), but I hope to get it working next weekend. I will also try to post some pictures (I have 3). >I will post pics later today and let people know. Perhaps they can give >opinions. +More Great. Looking forward to it. Thanks for the feedback. jack in Portland Oregon

From: Jack Honeycutt jhoneycutt at uswest.net> on 2000.06.11 at 00:10:28(4713) At 12:18 PM 6/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Many 'vining' Aroids do this, Philodendron, Monstera and Raphidophora come >to mind, it is a response to the growing conditions, and is a 'juvinile' >form of the plant which does and will change to one with 'normal' leaves >once it encounters different/'better' conditions higher up the tree, rock >face, or in the case of Fairchild Gardens, the wall! Ah! Good to know. Thanks for the good info. jack in Portland Oregon

From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2000.06.11 at 00:15:24(4716) Regarding my message concerning possible Rhaphidophora 'shingle plants' I have now put my website online and you can see pics of my two possible Rhaphidophoras which I would dearly love to know the names of (as would the Free University Botanic Gardens in Amsterdam). Just follow the link to Aroids and scroll down. The site uses layers so if your web software doesnt see the thumbnails dont worry, you can still click on them and view the larger pics. There are still a few bugs to sort out so be gentle.... the address is: http://members.aol.com/Geoffaroid/GeoffsWeb.html. +More Geoffrey Kibby London

From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2000.06.11 at 00:30:14(4717) In a message dated 11/6/00 1:08:10 am, jhoneycutt@uswest.net writes: << I am looking at some snap shots now and yes, it has white veins. My scanner is off line (I need to free up a ISA slot), but I hope to get it +More working next weekend. I will also try to post some pictures (I have 3). >> Jack, Will happily send you a cutting of mine if it does turn out to be what you are looking for. Hopefully someone out there in Aroid Land knows the identity. Kew has a small plant growing up a log in their display but it has no label on it :-( Regards, Geoffrey Kibby

From: Jack Honeycutt jhoneycutt at uswest.net> on 2000.06.11 at 04:17:42(4719) At 07:16 PM 6/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: Regarding my message concerning possible Raphidophora 'shingle plants' I >have now put my website online and you can see pics of my two possible >Rhaphidophoras which I would dearly love to know the names of (as would the >Free University Botanic Gardens in Amsterdam). +More >http://members.aol.com/Geoffaroid/GeoffsWeb.html. > Geoffrey... Re the two pictures on your web site.... The first Raphidophora (the one on the left with the white veins) looks just like the Raphidophora sp I photographed at Fairchild Gardens in Florida. Fairchild did not key this out to species. It was the best guess of a gentleman at The Glasshouse Works (http://www.rareplants.com) who, after my description, felt that it was R. celatocaulis. I will try to post my snap shots on line next weekend and you can see for your self, but with just a cursory examination of your pictures and mine, I would say they are the same thing. Perhaps someone can refer me to a monograph of Raphidophora? I am new to Aroids and don't have any good reference material yet. jack in Portland Oregon

From: Jack Honeycutt jhoneycutt at uswest.net> on 2000.06.11 at 04:20:34(4720) At 07:31 PM 6/10/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Will happily send you a cutting of mine if it does turn out to be what you >are looking for. Thanks so much! I will take you up on that offer if we can key it out. So +More far it looks like the puppy I am after. jack in Portland Oregon

From: "Peter Boyce" Boyce at pothos.demon.co.uk> on 2000.06.11 at 16:13:10(4725) Hi Geoff Your white variegated 'Rhaphidophora' is Monstera dubia. This will eventually produce very large, deeply divided leaves. This is the same plant that we have at Kew (unlabelled!!) The green-leaved plant is Rhaphidophora hayi, a newly recognized species due to be published in August in the Garden's Bulletin Singapore. This is a remarkable plant that retains its juvenile architecture into adulthood ('neoteny'). It is native to Australia (Queensland), Papua New Guinea (both the mainland and the islands of Woodlark and New Ireland, and Papua Bharat (Irian Jaya). It is related to R. pachyphylla (New Guinea) and R. parvifolia (Maluku). +More Best wishes Pete

From: "Peter Boyce" Boyce at pothos.demon.co.uk> on 2000.06.11 at 16:16:03(4726) Dear All Rhaphidophora celatocaulis is a synonym of Rhaphidophora korthalsii, published for the juvenile shingeling stage of this widespread asian climber. +More Pete

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