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From: MJ Hatfield <oneota at ames.net> on 1997.01.03 at 03:16:05(38) Ahh, aroids are becoming more mainstream. The Parks Countryside Gardens has: Amorphophallus bulbifera, which looks like A.konjac, but then I haven't seed an A.bulbifer bloom yet And Wayside Gardens, A Gardener's Treasury, has: Arisaema candidissimum for only $39.95 Arum italicum 'Pictum' for only $14.95 MJ Hatfield

From: crat at cris.com on 1997.01.03 at 03:49:37(42) MJ Hatfield wrote: > > Ahh, aroids are becoming more mainstream. > The Parks Countryside Gardens has: > Amorphophallus bulbifera, which looks like A.konjac, but then I > haven't seed an A.bulbifer bloom yet > And Wayside Gardens, A Gardener's Treasury, has: > Arisaema candidissimum for only $39.95 > Arum italicum 'Pictum' for only $14.95 > Mellinger's 1977 Garden catalog just arrived this week with listings for Sauromatum guttatum, Amorphophallus bulbifer, Sarracenia purpurea, several callas (no species listed), Asarum candense, and Arisaema triphyllum. (There were also a number of gingers for those who follow that sort of thing .) None were at the outrageous prices of Wayside, e.g. A. triphyllum and A. candense were $5.75 each and the S. gutattum was $3.50. +More Definitly looks like a trend to me. I would be interested in hearing of experiences with this company before I order from them. Thanks much, Eric Simpson Washington, DC

From: Steve Marak <samarak at arachne.uark.edu> on 1997.01.03 at 04:09:19(44) I also noticed that the Park's Countryside Gardens catalog list "Amorphophallus bulbifera", which is a new name for them; previously they only listed it as "Amorphophallus - rare". The picture still looks like konjac to me, too, and indeed that's the origin of my first konjacs so I suspect we all know what they are. Arisaemas in general do seem to be becoming mainstream, don't they? This is good for us, though - less than 10 years ago I never saw any offered except occasionally A. sikokianum or perhaps A. triphyllum as a native woodland wildflower. Now we have a considerable variety from a number of good sources. Steve +More -- Steve Marak -- samarak@arachne.uark.edu

From: Timothy Chapman <chapman at premier.net> on 1997.01.03 at 19:03:47(47) Maybe this thread should be "The Dark Side of the Nursery business" The picture shown in the Park's catalog is of a bloom of A. konjac (they used to sell it as rivierii I think). The plant shown doesn't look like A. bulbifer either. Many catalogs buy slides from people (different from the plant source). so what you see is often not what you get. Several things could have happened. They actually are selling A. bulbifer, but just used the slides of konjac instead. Or they are selling konjac but mislabeled as bulbifer or .. who knows what they have. Someone else mentioned gingers (my specialty). While many of these (from Wayside) are coming from a legitimate grower in gainseville, several of the ones listed in the supplemental catalog are not propagated. Many new gingers are being wild collected (by the thousands) from Thailand, Burma, and Cambodia and sold through various nurseries (some never seeing any US soil or even pots!). I'm not sure if Wayside realizes this or not, but I can be certain that some of these are not being propagated at all. Some of these are being tissue cultured now, but unfortunately the wild plants are cheaper than TC plugs, not to mention the TCed ones aren't widely available yet. The most common wild collected ones are :Curcuma gracillima ("Candy Cane" "Burnt Burgandy", Curcuma thorelii "Chiang Mai Snow", Curcuma cordata, Globba winitii "White Dragon" and many more species on the way. Most C. alismatifolia ARE NOT wild collected, the most common form has been clonally propagated for many years, as are two new color forms (white and maroon) If you are interested in these, you should wait until this material is propagated. Some are already producing very select clones, that are either TCed or propagated by divisions. keep in mind that the wild material is very variable. some good, some terrible, many diseased. Tim Chapman +More -- ################################################### Timothy Chapman 6920 Bayou Paul Rd. St. Gabriel, LA 70776-5602 USA chapman@premier.net 504-642-7762 Tropical plant pages Aroids/Bananas/Calathea/Gingers/Heliconia at: http://www.premier.net/~chapman/home.html

From: BIHOREL at cris.com (Christian Feuillet) on 1997.01.03 at 19:10:29(49) >Ahh, aroids are becoming more mainstream. >The Parks Countryside Gardens has: > Amorphophallus bulbifera, which looks like A.konjac, but then I >haven't seed an A.bulbifer bloom yet >And Wayside Gardens, A Gardener's Treasury, has: > Arisaema candidissimum for only $39.95 > Arum italicum 'Pictum' for only $14.95 >MJ Hatfield +More Their prices have always been VERY high. * Happy New Year from the desk of / \ / * \ ,--- / \ \\/ ~ ~ \// / * * \ ( @ @ ) / * \ -----oOOo-- (_) --oOOo--/ * * \------------ | | | Christian FEUILLET | | Beltsville MD, USA - BIHOREL@cris.com | | | | PLANTS & GENEALOGY | |_____________________________________________|

From: Jean Halverson <jahalve at mhtc.net> on 1997.01.04 at 03:08:57(54) Alplains has seed from A. japonicum, takedae and yamatense v sugimotoi for sale--8-10 seeds for $4.00. I bought seed from last year and I think all germinated. Catalog is $2.00, address is Po Box 489, Kiowa CO 80117-0489.

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