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  Dracunculus canariensis
From: Paul Tyerman tyerman at dynamite.com.au> on 2001.01.23 at 07:02:27(5849)
Howdy All,

I have a query about Dracunculus. I know of Dracunculus vulgaris and
according to one of my books there is a white form called "Schortt" or
something like that (white with a black spadix). Is this actually
Dracunculus canariensis?

If not, can someone give me details on Drac. canariensis?

Thanks in anticipation.

Cheers.

Paul Tyerman

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From: Rob McClure Rob.McClure at sci.monash.edu.au> on 2001.01.23 at 17:06:46(5861)
Paul Tyerman wrote:
>
> Howdy All,
>
> I have a query about Dracunculus. I know of Dracunculus vulgaris and
> according to one of my books there is a white form called "Schortt" or
> something like that (white with a black spadix). Is this actually
> Dracunculus canariensis?
>
> If not, can someone give me details on Drac. canariensis?
>
Hi Paul,

There are two Dracunculus species. D.vulgaris and D.canariensis.
D.vulgaris does have a white form that hails from somewhere on Crete. It
is a beautiful plant and I have been trying for ever to get it. Alas it
eludes me.
The word 'Schott' refers to the author (describer) of D.vulgaris and is
not a species/subspecies/variety name.
Dracunculus canariensis hails from the Canary Islands and is an elegant
plant with
pale green unmottled stems and leaves and a tall sweet scented, pale
creamy lemon infloresence . In Aus. it grows the same time as
D.vulgaris...comes up in winter and dies down in December. It should
grow well in Canberra if you don't get too many of your vicious frosts.
It grows so easily for me I have always got spares if you fancy some.

Anybody out there got the white D.vulgaris ?? Name your price !

cheers,
Rob.

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From: Paul Tyerman tyerman at dynamite.com.au> on 2001.01.24 at 16:56:24(5863)
Howdy All (again),

Thank you Rob for this email (I've responded to you directly as well).

Now........ The reason I ask all of this is that a Friend of mine purchased
from South Australia a white Dracunculus sold as Canariensis. She has
spoken with the seller and he says it IS D. canariensis (and is white with
a greenish spadix) and that the lemon yellow one is something else,
something called D. creticum or something like that (she wasn't sure
exactly what he called it). It is quite possible that he is even on this
list as he collects aroids. If so, Hello!!!

So...... I'm confused (it doesn't take much). Are there definitely only
two species? Are there others that are closely allied (like Helicodicerus
muscivorus used to be D. muscivorus) that may not be Dracunculus but are
something else with similar appearance.

You people are the only reference I have to find out about this, so I hope
no-one minds me asking. Again I thank Rob for getting back to me. Any
information will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks all

Cheers.

Paul Tyerman

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From: GeoffAroid at aol.com on 2001.01.24 at 21:29:58(5867)
>She has spoken with the seller and he says it IS D. canariensis (and is
white with
>a greenish spadix) and that the lemon yellow one is something else,
>something called D. creticum or something like that (she wasn't sure
>exactly what he called it).

Paul,
There is an Arum creticum, a large, beautiful lemon yellow species with a
lovely scent, perhaps this is what he had? There are definitely only the two
Dracunculus species mentioned in the earlier messages.
Regards,
Geoffrey Kibby

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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2001.01.25 at 16:33:11(5877)
Peoples,

Isn't it a good idea that you all buy/borrow Mayo, Bogner & Boyce "Genera of
Araceae". It is all in there. AND much of it in Deni Bown's book too.
Believe me, there is more put on paper than you may believe.

Just a thought......

Wilbert

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From: Al Wootten awootten at NRAO.EDU> on 2001.01.26 at 21:27:23(5886)
Wilbert Hetterscheid writes:
> Peoples,
>
> Isn't it a good idea that you all buy/borrow Mayo, Bogner & Boyce "Genera of
> Araceae". It is all in there. AND much of it in Deni Bown's book too.
> Believe me, there is more put on paper than you may believe.
And not only on paper...the Genera... includes a CDROM so one gets two
copies of the book. For me, one for home, one for office or trips...

Al

From: "James W. Waddick" jim-jim at swbell.net> on 2001.02.02 at 13:44:20(5903)
Dear Dracunculifiles;
The new catalog arrived from Arrowhead Alpines in Michigan
with both species listed for sale.Each is priced at $12

Check out

Jim W.

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From: "Sean A. O'Hara" sean at support.net> on 2002.09.05 at 13:31:18(9341)
Hi folks -

(I was part of this list quite some time ago - hello to anyone out there I
might know!)

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From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.09.05 at 17:20:49(9343)
You're obviously IRISH! So welcome back from Ireland! Slainte!

Amazing how Aroid-L friendship & IAS Web Site power make this joint jive!
What's a Dracunculus? I JEST naturally. Is D. canariensis from Islas
Canarias & Madeira, climate more moderate sub-tropical than mediterranean
with greater highs & lows?

You may not know I grow Spaths & Spaths & Spaths...so far so far so far &
they smell better than those weird plants....

IAS has come a LONG WAY on its Web Site etc over the past 18 months. If you
can swell the Irish contingent & become a Member whilst its still so cheap?

So good to hear so many new voices. Who else in this joint has Irish roots?

Cheers, matey

Ron O'Spaths, (alias Benign Houlighan Maverick)

West Cork Ireland (Islas Canarias & Madeira are warmer less hot & cold than
Mediterranean)

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From: Bj?rn Malkmus malkmus at gmx.net> on 2002.09.11 at 13:41:33(9389)
Dear Sean,

> (...) Since this is such a good
> plant for mediterranean climates (my horticultural focus) I'd like to
> collect more information about its nativity, habitat, etc., and any other
> anecdotal information that might be interesting.

Dracunuclus canariensis is native of all western Canary Islands (El Hierro,
La Gomera, La Palma, Tenerife) including Gran Canaria. It is becoming
increasingly rare in nature. And as far as I was able to discover on various
occasions in the last 10 years, only on the island of Tenerife there are a couple of
"larger" populations left with some 20 to 50 individuals each. From these
three major populations (with some 120 specimens altogether) vanished on
grounds of land cleaning and construction areas in the last seven years alone (if I
had known this, I would have digged them all, but landscape is changed just
too suddenly). On El Hierro, La Gomera and La Palma the species seems to be
close to extinction, as from these islands there have been reported only
single specimens or populations with few individuals each. It was reported from
Madeira only once some decades ago from two sites, east and west respectively
of the capital Funhcal in the south, and these sites where it was said to be
growing are now paved and built with houses by the rapidly expanding city,
thus it should be regarded extinct on this island. Its possible habitat on the
Azores is completely degraded, and as far as I know it had never been
localized there with certainty, but the locality was stated erroneously. There are
only very few, highly vulnerable populations with few individuals (less than 30
each) on the island of Gran Canaria, the most degraded island of this
archipelago in the sense of deforrestation and soil erosion.

Dracunculus canariensis usually inhabits the more fertile and slightly moist
soils in open scrub formations in the south parts or open spots in the
laurel forest zone in the center or the north, and especially these sites are
widely used for plantations and/or are cleaned for ongoing housing construction
on the Canaries. On the other hand local people sometimes cut down the flower
and/or seed heads, as they believe that the plant will bring them bad luck
(imagine this in the 21 century in Europe ...). Fortunately this species
increases not only by means of seeds, but by stonoloniferous offsets as well,
especially in rich and moist soils. And in cultivation it increases very well by
seeds, however in the northern hemisphere it is not widely grown as it is
summer dormant and winter green, i.e. it has to be grown under frostfree
conditions in a cool wintergarden or slightly heated greenhouse.

Best wishes

Bj?rn Malkmus

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From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.09.11 at 17:29:54(9393)
Thank you Bjorn & Sean for revealing the present occurence of Dracunculus
canariensis, one of the two "Dragon Arums" & some data of it in the wild.
As Deni Bown (Aroids - Plants of the Arum Family) writes that on page 133
the IUCN Red Book states that in 1997 it was vulnerable. Deni mentions that
the inflorescence apparently has a semen like odour. I thought this quoted
information might be of interest to those who are symbolically passionate
about phalloids. Although I have no such interest in the genus I might be
enthusiastic to look for the species & other pflora & fauna with any other
interested folks later in the year in Islas Canarias to see the current
situation & if necessary save some maybe last material of definitive origin.
I do not know what present floral & faunal conservation efforts are in the
now intensively exploited "tourist" Islands. Over the past thirty years
mass tourism in the Canary Islands has exploded with seeming almost anywhere
being "ripe" for building. When one remembers the unspoiled islands
earlier with no "mass tourism" it is to me, it is most tragic.

On a little seashore hill near El Medano three decades ago I found
incredible succulents & since the huge dune mound there is still undeveloped
because it is maybe unsuitable for "disco" development I think they may
still be there. The temperate-subtropical habitats of the islands are ideal
for a very wide range of aroids & so many other flora & fauna. Indeed what
temperate, mediterranean, sub-tropical & tropical species still grow there
in the many parts not trodden by crass modern tourism? It would be
wonderful to find out. Virtually ANYTHING can grow in the rich warm
volcanic soil there from xerophytes to Spathiphyllum!

So - It is wonderful to have alerts of where vulnerable wild species are so
that they can be most responsibly collected & saved before extinction of
habitat for posterity. This surely is but one of the many key & enlightened
roles in which co-ordinated Members of our International Society can be of
priceless service to posterity?

Thank You Sean & Bjorn. Style!

Ron Iles Ireland

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From: Bj?rn Malkmus malkmus at gmx.net> on 2002.09.13 at 02:21:24(9406)
> Thank you Bjorn & Sean for revealing the present occurence of Dracunculus
> canariensis, one of the two "Dragon Arums" & some data of it in the wild.
> As Deni Bown writes on page 133 (Aroids - Plants of the Arum Family) the
> IUCN Red Book stated that in 1997 it was vulnerable.
> Although I have no such interest in the genus with any
> other interested folks later in the year I might be
> enthusiastic to look for the species & other flora & fauna in Islas
> Canarias to see the current situation & if necessary obtain material of
definitive origin.
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From: James Waddick <jwaddick at kc.rr.com> on 2010.05.27 at 07:58:49(21087)
Dear Friends,

I would like to try Dracunculus canariensis after having
reasonable success with other "Mediterranean' Aroids ( I realize that
the Canary Islands are NOT in the Med.).

I'd like to a couple tubers - any size - or fresh seed if
possible. I'd be glad to repay mailing costs and/or arrange some
trade (aroid or not). Appreciate your help and comments.

Thanks Jim W ( jwaddick@kc.rr.com) please reply off list/privately.
--
Dr. James W. Waddick
8871 NW Brostrom Rd.
Kansas City Missouri 64152-2711
USA

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From: "Tony Avent" <tony at plantdelights.com> on 2010.05.27 at 11:08:27(21088)
Jim:

For what it's worth, we have tried D. canariensis here several times and
they couldn't make it though a mild NC winter.

Tony Avent

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