Dracontium ID

From: Albert Huntington balberth at yahoo.com> on 2001.07.23 at 15:40:46(7092) Hello Folks, I got a plant a few years ago from Glasshouse Works labeled Dracontium gigas. This plant has flowered for me this summer, and though it does in fact look like Dracontium, the infloresence is approximately 6 inches in length, leading me to believe that it is not gigas. I have posted two pictures at: http://users.ev1.net/~balberth/drac1.jpg +More http://users.ev1.net/~balberth/drac2.jpg They are both rather large in order to show the details. I would appreciate any help in correctly identifying my plant. --Albert ===== Albert Huntington San Jose, CA U.S.A. Visit my greenhouse at: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/1436 ----------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

From: dscherberich at free.fr on 2001.07.24 at 15:23:15(7103) Hello Albert, Indeed you are right, your plant is not D. gigas. It rather looks like D. prancei which is an easy to grow and propagate (tubercules) species. The fact that the inflorescence is produced at or very close to soil level and the bract that covers the base of the spathe is important. What do you think Julius ? With best regards, David +More En r?ponse ? Albert Huntington : > Hello Folks, > > I got a plant a few years ago from Glasshouse Works labeled Dracontium > gigas. > This plant has flowered for me this summer, and though it does in fact > look > like Dracontium, the infloresence is approximately 6 inches in length, > leading > me to believe that it is not gigas. > > I have posted two pictures at: > > http://users.ev1.net/~balberth/drac1.jpg > http://users.ev1.net/~balberth/drac2.jpg > > They are both rather large in order to show the details. > > I would appreciate any help in correctly identifying my plant. > > --Albert > > > ===== > Albert Huntington San Jose, CA U.S.A. > Visit my greenhouse at: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/1436 > ----------------------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! > Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ---- David Scherberich Jardin Botanique de Lyon Parc de la Tete d'Or 69459 Lyon Cedex 06 France Email: dscherberich@free.fr

From: Denis denis at skg.com> on 2001.07.24 at 18:57:49(7106) Dear Albert: I have something in my collection that I got from John Banta called Pycnospatha arietina that looks very similar to your pictures. I am not an expert in these types so I suggest you wait for confirmation or ID from a more knowledgable taxanomic source. Denis at Silver Krome Gardens Homestead, Florida

From: "Michael Pascall" mickpascall at hotmail.com> on 2001.07.26 at 19:37:55(7136) Albert , it looks a little like Dracontium polyphyllum . I have several flowering now. Michael Pascall,Curator,WHYANBEEL ARBORETUM,F.N.Q,AUSTRALIA +More _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 2001.07.27 at 03:10:56(7139) Dear Friends, It is a GOOD match for photos of D. prancei G. Zhu. It sort of 'fits' into' the 'group' of species that are soemwhat alike, D. polyphyllum, D. nivosus and D. prancei, but my 'vote' is that it is D. prancei. How are you doing, Michael?? Cheers, mate! Sincerely, Julius +More >>Albert , it looks a little like Dracontium polyphyllum . I have several flowering now. Michael Pascall,Curator,WHYANBEEL ARBORETUM,F.N.Q,AUSTRALIA<< _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 2001.07.27 at 03:12:01(7140) Hi Albert, I agree with you David, I also answered another letter from our friend Michael in Australia earlier, I do not believe that it is D. polyphyllum. It is a GOOD match with the photos we have seen of D. prancei. Sincerely, Julius +More >>Hello Albert, Indeed you are right, your plant is not D. gigas. It rather looks like D. prancei which is an easy to grow and propagate (tubercules) species. The fact that the inflorescence is produced at or very close to soil level and the bract that covers the base of the spathe is important. What do you think Julius ? With best regards, David<< En r?ponse ? Albert Huntington : > Hello Folks, > > I got a plant a few years ago from Glasshouse Works labeled Dracontium > gigas. > This plant has flowered for me this summer, and though it does in fact > look > like Dracontium, the infloresence is approximately 6 inches in length, > leading > me to believe that it is not gigas. > > I have posted two pictures at: > > http://users.ev1.net/~balberth/drac1.jpg > http://users.ev1.net/~balberth/drac2.jpg > > They are both rather large in order to show the details. > > I would appreciate any help in correctly identifying my plant. > > --Albert > > > ===== > Albert Huntington San Jose, CA U.S.A. > Visit my greenhouse at: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/1436 > ----------------------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! > Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ---- David Scherberich Jardin Botanique de Lyon Parc de la Tete d'Or 69459 Lyon Cedex 06 France Email: dscherberich@free.fr

From: Albert Huntington balberth at yahoo.com> on 2001.07.27 at 19:27:18(7154) Hello Folks, I would like to thank everyone who answered my question concerning the identification of my plant, formerly labeled D. gigas. It would appear that I have been given 3 diagnoses: D. prancei ( the current favorite ), D. polyphyllum, and Pycnospatha arietina. Looking at the pictures that our esteemed friend G. Zhu has on the aroid.org webpage, there is certainly a resemblance to D. prancei more than D. polyphyllum, but I would like to revisit Denis' diagnosis of a possible match with P. arietina. In particular, the reason for my concern is that the shape of the spathe of my plant doesn't quite seem to match either of the suggested Dracontiums. The tip of the spathe is definitely curved over until it points almost towards the ground, which is not the case with the suggested dracontium pictures. +More I have been unable to find a lot of references to Pycnospatha, but looking at the drawings and description in _Genera_of_Araceae_, it looks like it might be a good match. Does anyone know of a simple diagnostic difference between Dracontium and Pycnospatha other than locality? Thanks, --Albert ===== Albert Huntington San Jose, CA U.S.A. Visit my greenhouse at: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/1436 ----------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2001.07.27 at 21:02:30(7159) Look it up in the Genera of Araceae, a standard work everyone of this group should owe by now. But here is help: Dracontiums have scaly floral parts surrounding the stamens and the pistil. Pycnospatha does not, every flower is just stamens and a pistil. Happy now? Cheerio, Wilbert +More > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: aroid-l@mobot.org [mailto:aroid-l@mobot.org]Namens Albert > Huntington > Verzonden: vrijdag 27 juli 2001 21:27 > Aan: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > Onderwerp: Re: Dracontium ID > > > Hello Folks, > > I would like to thank everyone who answered my question > concerning the > identification of my plant, formerly labeled D. gigas. > > It would appear that I have been given 3 diagnoses: D. > prancei ( the current > favorite ), D. polyphyllum, and Pycnospatha arietina. > > Looking at the pictures that our esteemed friend G. Zhu has > on the aroid.org > webpage, there is certainly a resemblance to D. prancei more than D. > polyphyllum, but I would like to revisit Denis' diagnosis of > a possible match > with P. arietina. In particular, the reason for my concern > is that the shape > of the spathe of my plant doesn't quite seem to match either > of the suggested > Dracontiums. The tip of the spathe is definitely curved over > until it points > almost towards the ground, which is not the case with the > suggested dracontium > pictures. > > I have been unable to find a lot of references to > Pycnospatha, but looking at > the drawings and description in _Genera_of_Araceae_, it looks > like it might be > a good match. > > Does anyone know of a simple diagnostic difference between > Dracontium and > Pycnospatha other than locality? > > Thanks, > --Albert > > > > ===== > Albert Huntington San Jose, CA U.S.A. > Visit my greenhouse at: > http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/1436 > ----------------------------------------------- > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with > Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ >

From: "Alan Galloway" alan_galloway at bellsouth.net> on 2001.07.27 at 21:36:17(7162) > It would appear that I have been given 3 diagnoses: D. prancei ( the current > favorite ), D. polyphyllum, and Pycnospatha arietina. +More > > I have been unable to find a lot of references to Pycnospatha, but looking at > the drawings and description in _Genera_of_Araceae_, it looks like it might be > a good match. > > Does anyone know of a simple diagnostic difference between Dracontium and > Pycnospatha other than locality? > Albert, I have a few pics of Pycnospatha on my web site, although the quality is not that good, but it may be of some help. The URL is: http://www4.ncsu.edu/~alan/plants/aroids/pycnospatha/ Sorry, no photos of the flower. Alan

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at email.msn.com> on 2001.07.28 at 00:43:49(7169) Dear Albert, Now that I am over my virus cleansing, I have had a moment to have a CLOSE look at your photos, and I do believe that your plant is a Pycnospatha. The leaves (especially the small one to the left!) and the petioles shown in the photo #1 are Pycnospatha, certainly NOT Dracontium, as is the spadix shown in Photo # 2 which lacks the scale-like structures that surround each individual flower on the spadix as one would see in Dracontium. It is a wonderful and rare plant, so enjoy! Sincerely, Julius +More . >>Hello Folks, I would like to thank everyone who answered my question concerning the identification of my plant, formerly labeled D. gigas. It would appear that I have been given 3 diagnoses: D. prancei ( the current favorite ), D. polyphyllum, and Pycnospatha arietina. Looking at the pictures that our esteemed friend G. Zhu has on the aroid.org webpage, there is certainly a resemblance to D. prancei more than D. polyphyllum, but I would like to revisit Denis' diagnosis of a possible match with P. arietina. In particular, the reason for my concern is that the shape of the spathe of my plant doesn't quite seem to match either of the suggested Dracontiums. The tip of the spathe is definitely curved over until it points almost towards the ground, which is not the case with the suggested dracontium pictures. I have been unable to find a lot of references to Pycnospatha, but looking at the drawings and description in _Genera_of_Araceae_, it looks like it might be a good match. Does anyone know of a simple diagnostic difference between Dracontium and Pycnospatha other than locality? Thanks, --Albert ===== Albert Huntington San Jose, CA U.S.A. Visit my greenhouse at: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/1436 ----------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

From: Albert Huntington balberth at yahoo.com> on 2001.07.28 at 14:49:11(7176) Hi Folks, --- Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: > Look it up in the Genera of Araceae, +More I had attempted this, but had momentarily forgotten that the Genera of Araceae has a key to the genera... and was trying to compare the two genus descriptions, without much luck. > Happy now? Yes! Thanks everyone for your help. I must have Pycnospatha rather than Dracontium. --Albert ===== Albert Huntington San Jose, CA U.S.A. Visit my greenhouse at: http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Jungle/1436 ----------------------------------------------- __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

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