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  CITES revisited
From: "Jay Vannini" interbnk at terra.com.gt> on 2001.07.27 at 17:42:07(7167)
Greetings, fellow aroid-amig@s:

Perhaps because I reside in a country where differences of opinion are
expressed via Molotov cocktails and automatic weapons' fire, I really do
relish a civil debate. Thus far, this exchange seems to be just this, in
spite of unambiguous differences of opinion on the forum regarding Jos?
Portillo's alleged actions.

From: Betsy Feuerstein ecuador at midsouth.rr.com> on 2001.07.27 at 21:47:04(7173)
Wow, now that my server has decided to function again, well said!!!!! If all
were as black and white as may seem on the surface from CITES to Pepe's
accusations, then life would be simple. 'Tis not so on either front. Perhaps
best to let the system do what it does and hope for the best leaving that to the
individual on either side of the fence.


From: Jill Bell godjillab at home.com> on 2001.07.28 at 07:49:31(7177)
Dear Jay,
I think that your post dealt with the crux of the problem. I am a parrot
person, too, and I am well aware of the never ending quandary that exists
with these poor birds. What the hope is for them is Eco-tourism, while
giving jobs to the poachers.
In some similar way, could this not exist in the horticultural communities
as well, although it would require all of us that has a lust for the
rarities of the particular plant kingdoms involved to subvert the desire to
acquire. (I certainly am not above these desires, so I speak to myself as
I think that what we can acquire is knowledge of the laws and how they work,
and your post certainly was informative in that way to me; and a way to
appeal to those laws. That is a tall order, but I agree with you that to
wait and watch it all go is pointless.
I am going to ask a question that is probably very simplistic, as I have
never done any tissue culturing myself and I do not understand the ins and
outs, but is it possible to collect samples of the correct parts of some
rarities where they exist without causing huge damage to the plants and
therefore collect these instead of the plants themselves for the longevity
of the species and for eventual sales, too, if that is the way to fund such
exploits? I suggest of course that a collection of Botanical Gardens and
Universities get these specimens as part of the plan to propagate and
sustain the rarities in their original forms.
Perhaps I am being way too optimistic in my thinking that such things could
be dealt with in this manner, but usually money is at the root (so to speak)
of any quandary of this magnitude, and this would be a way for all to get
what they want.
Call me Pollyanna!
Best Regards,
Jill Bell
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