Greenhouse effect

From: Susan Cooper coops at execpc.com> on 2001.09.06 at 22:31:00(7383) (MJ don't read this, you'll get mad) GREENHOUSE GETTING GREENER New studies suggest that, over the past 21 years, parts of the +More northern hemisphere have become much greener as a result of a rise in temperature. Using satellite data, researchers have confirmed that plant life above 40 degrees north latitude (New York, Madrid, Ankara, Beijing) has been growing more vigorously since 1981. There is hope for us aroidophiles in the north yet!

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2001.09.07 at 01:41:51(7392) Hi Susan, There is just one problem: The ice from the poles will melt and most of the biggest cities near the shore (some of them not so near) will be under the water! Anyway, you will be able to grow tropical seaweeds! (I think Cyrtosperma merkussii and some Cryptocorine also can grow in salty water) ;o) +More Best wishes, Eduardo. >(MJ don't read this, you'll get mad) > >GREENHOUSE GETTING GREENER > New studies suggest that, over the past 21 years, parts of the >northern hemisphere have become much greener as a result of a rise in >temperature. Using satellite data, researchers have confirmed that >plant life above 40 degrees north latitude (New York, Madrid, Ankara, >Beijing) has been growing more vigorously since 1981. > >There is hope for us aroidophiles in the north yet! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

From: Susan Cooper coops at execpc.com> on 2001.09.07 at 03:14:16(7398) Not such a big problem, Eduardo! I live in the middle of the US- so I guess you and the Florida folk will all pack up and move near me! Cool! A > There is just one problem: The ice from the poles will melt and most of >the biggest cities near the shore (some of them not so near) will be under >the water! Anyway, you will be able to grow tropical seaweeds! (I think >Cyrtosperma merkussii and some Cryptocorine also can grow in salty water) >;o) +More > > Best wishes, > > Eduardo. >

From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2001.09.07 at 05:15:36(7402) > There is just one problem: The ice from the poles will melt and most of >the biggest cities near the shore (some of them not so near) will be under >the water! I don't believe this buisness about if the poles melted that MOST of the cities near the shores of the world would be under water. When the ice cubes in my glass of water melt, the water level in the glass does not get any higher than it did when the ice cubes were still frozen. The entire northern ice cap is floating in the ocean the whole thing could melt and it wouldn't change the oceans level one millimeter. The south pole is only about half on land so the oceans may rise a very little bit. maybe a few cities that are at sea level will have problems but it is not as big a disaster as the press and politicians make it out to be . Here in south carolina we have a very mild summer temperature wise. Just right for growing aroids!! Neil +More Anyway, you will be able to grow tropical seaweeds! (I think >Cyrtosperma merkussii and some Cryptocorine also can grow in salty water) >;o) > > Best wishes, > > Eduardo.

From: plantnut plantnut at macconnect.com> on 2001.09.07 at 14:52:05(7404) Neil Carrol wrote.... >I don't believe this buisness about if the poles melted that MOST of the >cities near the shores of the world would be under water. When the ice cubes >in my glass of water melt, etc.... Neil, If you put something else in that glass other than water.... You really will not worry about the seas rising.... Dewey +More Your source for Tropical Araceae http://members.macconnect.com/users/p/plantnut/

From: StellrJ at aol.com on 2001.09.08 at 20:47:24(7422) In a message dated Fri, 7 Sep 2001 1:15:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Neil Carroll writes: When the ice cubes > in my glass of water melt, the water level in the glass does not get any > higher than it did when the ice cubes were still frozen. The entire northern > ice cap is floating in the ocean the whole thing could melt and it wouldn't > change the oceans level one millimeter. The south pole is only about half on > land so the oceans may rise a very little bit. You are right about the north polar cap, but I think you may have underestimated the amount of water rise if Antarctica should melt. When you consider just how THICK is the ice cap over the land half of Antarctica, that is a lot of water. Also Greenland -- again, most of it is over water, but the land part is very thickly covered. Remember that, here in Georgia, the entire Coastal Plain was once the seafloor; the present "Fall Line" (a line running approximately from Augusta, through Macon, to Columbus) was once the coast. Now this may have been partly due to changes in the height of the land, but changes in sea level may have been a factor as well. Jason Hernandez +More Naturalist-at-Large

From: Durightmm at aol.com on 2001.09.08 at 22:50:17(7424) Perhaps that is in concert with at one time Orlando being the outer reef. Lake Placid has very visible ledge being a 2 million year old as the remains of the ocean shore. .

From: Plantnut3 at cs.com on 2001.09.09 at 03:22:24(7426) The area East of Lansing, Kansas was once covered by the Ocean we found on hill side fossle fish imprints in the rock. The Missouri River is not very far the area.Plantnut3 Ray Maynard

From: Cgdz33a at aol.com on 2001.09.09 at 03:25:09(7429) Missed the first few messages but if youre actually debating the concept of flooding from global warming remember general chemistry. Put your ice water in an accurate beaker and then melt it and measure its volume again. Warm water has a higher volume than cold and it is not so much the melting of the ice that will be a problem but the several degree change in water temperature resulting in a higher volume, hence flooding! Multiply your beaker by several hundred billion and that should give a slighy estimate of what were facing. at 25 degrees c water density is .9970g/ml, at 30 degrees c it is .9956g/ml d=m/v remember +More higher temp = lower density which means higher volume (the mass isnt changing) Eric C Morgan (at sea level) Clark Botanic Garden Albertson NY

From: Rand Nicholson writserv at nbnet.nb.ca> on 2001.09.09 at 17:01:10(7432) >In a message dated Fri, 7 Sep 2001 1:15:47 AM Eastern Daylight >Time, Neil Carroll writes: > +More >When the ice cubes >> in my glass of water melt, the water level in the glass does not get any >> higher than it did when the ice cubes were still frozen. The entire northern >> ice cap is floating in the ocean the whole thing could melt and it wouldn't >> change the oceans level one millimeter. The south pole is only about half on >> land so the oceans may rise a very little bit. > >You are right about the north polar cap, (Snip) >Jason Hernandez >Naturalist-at-Large I would not dismiss a large ice mass such as the Norththern Polar Cap. If it should melt, there goes the climate. Then it will *rain*. Much of that water will fall on land. Kind Regards, Rand

From: SelbyHort at aol.com on 2001.09.10 at 02:37:36(7435) All this and also consider the drastic climate change we will experience should things warm up enough to melt ice caps. Coastal flooding will be the least of the problems. Donna +More << Missed the first few messages but if youre actually debating the concept of flooding from global warming remember general chemistry. Put your ice water in an accurate beaker and then melt it and measure its volume again. Warm water has a higher volume than cold and it is not so much the melting of the ice that will be a problem but the several degree change in water temperature resulting in a higher volume, hence flooding! Multiply your beaker by several hundred billion and that should give a slighy estimate of what were facing. >>

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.09.10 at 22:24:36(7446) > >In a message dated Fri, 7 Sep 2001 1:15:47 AM Eastern Daylight > >Time, Neil Carroll writes: +More > > > >When the ice cubes in my glass of water melt, the water level in the glass does not get any higher than it did when the ice cubes were still frozen. The entire northern ice cap is floating in the ocean the whole thing could melt and it wouldn't change the oceans level one millimeter. The south pole is only about half on land so the oceans may rise a very little bit. > > Neil, Dear Neil, I am a little worried about my seafront property & global warming as apart from all the other worlds perma-ice, the Continent of Antarctica with its half mile thick ice seems to be somewhat larger than the States? Surely you are being Devil's Advocate again? Yours disbelievingly Ron

From: "Michael Pascall" mickpascall at hotmail.com> on 2001.09.11 at 03:29:29(7449) How much hotter and wetter can it get for me here ? btw we are 23 meters above sea level here , but I will not say 'High & Dry' !! Michael Pascall,Curator, WHYANBEEL ARBORETUM,F.N.Q,AUSTRALIA +More _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2001.09.11 at 15:36:24(7451) Posterity - ice in a glass of water? Antarctica, bigger than lil' ole Americkee, ice half a mile thick, and "the rest of the other snow"? Melted? Atlantis? Armeggedon? Is the 1 degree global increase just natural? Countless millions of square miles of Nature, history, culture, drowned? Global Climate changes? Jungle gone? Blinding ultraviolet? Searing infra-red? Fires everywhere Super-Hurricanes, Unimaginable Monsoons, Mountain landslides? Just for start? Desert, Man's dessert? What will happen tothe Spirit of Man when all the (Great) Beasts have gone? (Chief Seattle) Cultural, social, economic breakdown? Plague, Pestilence, Violence, War? Just, a glass of water in poor Man's mighty Mansion? Global Environmental Quality Control? Keep Arks with armed guards, exit tablets ready? Posterity - ice in a glass of water? Nah, just a lot of rubbish, why should we worry! Its all scaremongering on the Tele, propaganda to give us something to think about Nature can look after itself, always has. I'll just have the things I want. Ron O'Stritch +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Monday, September 10, 2001 3:38 AM Subject: Re: Greenhouse effect > All this and also consider the drastic climate change we will experience > should things warm up enough to melt ice caps. Coastal flooding will be the > least of the problems. > Donna > > << Missed the first few messages but if youre actually debating the concept > of > flooding from global warming remember general chemistry. > Put your ice water in an accurate beaker and then melt it and measure its > volume again. Warm water has a higher volume than cold and it is not so much > the melting of the ice that will be a problem but the several degree change > in water temperature resulting in a higher volume, hence flooding! Multiply > your beaker by several hundred billion and that should give a slighy > estimate > of what were facing. > >> >

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