IAS newsletter

From: "Dany Hervelle" bs246466 at skynet.be> on 1994.12.31 at 23:14:52(4) No,the last receiving is 24/2 D.hervelle Belgium

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2000.07.06 at 03:22:38(4986) People from the IAS, It is just to let you know that I finally received my copy of the last newletter. The funny thing is that the first copy you sent (the same we believed it was lost) arrived together with the second copy! Now I have two copies of the same issue, that arrived in the same day! Well, those funny things only happens in the Brazilian mail! Anyhow, the Arisaema issue is terrific. Just keep the good work coming! Best wishes, Eduardo. +More ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

From: Carol Ann Bonner cadastra at mindspring.com> on 2001.05.23 at 03:39:00(6538) Hi, Ron, Okay, I'm sending in my dues for IAS so I'll pretty soon know the answer anyway, but here's the question: Does either the newsletter or Aroideana carry ads, specifically exchange ads? I'm in charge of exchange ads for AGGS (American Gloxinia and Gesneriad Society - but you knew that, didn't you?) and I'd be interested in exchanging ads if you are. Carol Ann

From: "Maurice & Henriette Hinterding" hinterding at dutch.nl> on 2002.08.17 at 12:57:25(9194) yes I have, thanks, Maurice Hinterding +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [aroid-l] IAS newsletter > > As one of the Aroid-l listowners, I'm running a test and need to send a > > message > > to the whole list......but in an effort to generate some traffic, I'll ask > a > > question.... > > > > Has anyone received the the 3rd newsletter of the year in the last day > or > > so? > > Allan,

From: "Jeff&jodi Rosenstiel" jjjj at winternet.com> on 2002.08.17 at 14:32:24(9195) Hi, No 3rd news letter here, maybe today ! Jeff Rosenstiel +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [aroid-l] IAS newsletter > yes I have, > > thanks, > > Maurice Hinterding > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "W. George Schmid" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: [aroid-l] IAS newsletter > > > > > As one of the Aroid-l listowners, I'm running a test and need to send a > > > message > > > to the whole list......but in an effort to generate some traffic, I'll > ask > > a > > > question.... > > > > > > Has anyone received the the 3rd newsletter of the year in the last day > > or > > > so? > > > > Allan, > > >

From: angel morales angel151 at earthlink.net> on 2002.08.17 at 16:36:03(9196) No I haven't received the news letter. angel -- Angel151@earthlink.net

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2002.08.17 at 16:39:31(9197) It looks and works great so far, Alan, congrats and thanks to all of you who made this possible! No newsletter here as yet. Julius +More >>As one of the Aroid-l listowners, I'm running a test and need to send a message to the whole list......but in an effort to generate some traffic, I'll ask a question.... Has anyone received the the 3rd newsletter of the year in the last day or so? Alan

From: Krzysztof Kozminski kk at kozminski.com> on 2002.08.17 at 19:54:45(9200) On Thursday, August 15, 2002, at 12:57 PM, Alan Galloway wrote: As one of the Aroid-l listowners, I'm running a test and need to send a message +More to the whole list......but in an effort to generate some traffic, I'll ask a question.... Has anyone received the the 3rd newsletter of the year in the last day or so? Since the newsletter is supposed to be available in the member's area, which nowadays should be accessible by anyone with access to internet (and thus most, if not all IAS members who are also subscribed to aroid-l), why are hardcopies being sent to everyone? How do I opt out of receiving hardcopies and save IAS some wasted postage $$? KK http://www.kozminski.com -------------- "Micro$oft is to software engineering what McDonald$ is to gourmet cooking"

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.08.18 at 00:48:44(9201) Thank you Krysz, you re-iterate what I suggested this in the June 2001 NL. Then some Members wanted Hard Copy & some apparently were not on line anyway. To download low resolution (!) Newsletters here takes the best part of an hour. Our Irish lines give up on high resolution Newsletters. Megabyte Newletters are impossible. Can one not compress so that complete newsletters are quickly downloadable? OR as I originally suggested, could there be single page news daily? Surely those could be quickly dowloaded AND printed at high resolution. Then the restriction of 12 pages quarterly for the only public "Members Only" DIALOGUE which I could not agree could be lifted. At present we do not have a choice between electronic & paper copy. The last Newsletters on line are those I edited in Autumn 2001. 2002 issues are only available in snail mail copy in black & white. So - please when will 2002 Newsletters be on line in a most easily downloadable form? Some of us who prefer electronic copy can then waive the offer of snail-mailed paper if we know the waiver procedure? As I suggested amongst many things in 2002 is it not possible to make a weekly/daily IAS "News" Site, a MEMBERS DIALOGUE, quickly dowloadable in short bursts? For instance "Minutes", "Reports", "Accounts" "Articles" could be available TOPICALLY in a day or so not months later. At the risk of censure why not call such an evolved site "Proceedings of the International Aroid Society"? Incidentally, I hear that the snail mail version I oft requested in colour is now seemingly scheduled from the next issues on? So when the first three 2002 Newsletters are on line, which Members do & do not want Hard Copy? Please can a survey be done in Hard Copy Newsletter 2002 (4) to reach those who are not on line? Oh & amongst other logistic suggestions, & since some of us have not been listed as Members since 2000 AD, on the Members "News" Site would it be a good idea to have a running list of who is, was, will be & won't be? Please? Finally, to avoid confusion here in Ireland I received NL 2002(2) thank you but not yet 2002 (3). Ron Iles +More That was mainly in response to what Krzysztof wrote "Since the newsletter is supposed to be available in the member's area, which nowadays should be accessible by anyone with access to internet (and thus most, if not all IAS members who are also subscribed to aroid-l), why are hardcopies being sent to everyone? How do I opt out of receiving hardcopies and save IAS some wasted postage $$?"

From: angel morales angel151 at earthlink.net> on 2002.08.18 at 01:18:39(9202) What us digest form? Angel -- Angel151@earthlink.net

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.08.18 at 17:15:50(9208) Thank you, Elizabeth Sadly, using Adobe Acrobat as recommended on the IAS Site, with 56k modem & state of the art PC, downloads of complete low resolution 2001 NLs are inexorably slow, those of high resolution impossible. So to all Aroiders, Members & Prospective. Can "IAS Proceedings" be put in files of most easily accessed one page at a time? Maybe then electronic "News" for World Members could be as often as needed & available. As I said in June 2001 it might allow OPEN Dialogue between ALL Members, not quarterly, not monthly, but even daily. One page at a time within a planned folder structure would seem to be most easy for the producers as well as consumers. Having a "production chain" arduously to grind out & print dutifully", "THE" "News"letter, maximum twelve page quarterly does not seem to be in keeping with the image of a vibrantly communicating International Aroid Society. Please could we have a snail mail referendum of those who want Hard Copy? Please can some of us have day to day AND more historic "Proceedings of the International Aroid Society" in most easily downloadable weekly/daily single page files in colour on the IAS site. To me this would appear to increase opportunity for sustained major dialogue & understanding the real & dynamic needs of World Membership. Also, would it not transfer much of the heavy work load from the willing shoulders of the few stalwarts, especially in Florida & nearby who strive so hard & idealistically for the success of the IAS & to keep it viable. As I suggested over a year ago in NL2001 (1) is this the evolutionary road which IAS should take? There is no SINGLE password protected Site for topical Reports, Dialogue & Communication between ALL Members so that all proceedings involving & between all Members are not "in camera" but fully open & democratic. Indeed it might function as the "heart beat" of the Society keeping the body whole, healthy, growing & most active. I hope my breaking of "radio silence" on matters about which I felt VERY strongly proves positive for the International Aroid Society. R.B.Iles +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Sunday, August 18, 2002 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [aroid-l] IAS newsletter That can easily be done with Adobe Acrobat. Quick to download too. Elizabeth

From: "Leo A. Martin" leo1010 at attglobal.net> on 2002.08.18 at 18:15:21(9211) I just joined the IAS after being on aroid-l for a while. In my spare time (!?) I take care of the Web page for our local cactus club (url in my signature block) and have given some thought to Web usablility, especially because I can't even get 56K from my modem. I wrote our pages by hand to download very fast. I usually surf the Web with image downloading turned off. Mostly I really care about the text and the rare picture, which I prefer to download on a case-by-case basis. The purpose of a newsletter is to communicate information. Nothing is more useful for this purpose than plain ASCII text. I don't mean Word documents, I mean plain ASCII text files (with file extension .TXT). Word unhelpfully does everything possible to trick people into converting plain text to Word format so others cannot read it unless they have the latest version of Word. Design types think it's pretty to use fancy fonts, colors, etc... but this is unneccessary for communicating simple information, and it takes a very long time to download. We don't all read hobby material at the office during business hours nor do we all have T1 lines at home. For that matter, Acrobat versions later than 3 do not conform to Adobe's own file specifications. Much of the world still runs version 3 on Windows 3.x and cannot upgrade to later versions of Acrobat because these later versions only run on later versions of Windows. These people get errors when trying to view PDF files in formats later than 3. I save our club newsletters in Acrobat version 3 when possible. How about posting the newsletters as plain text? Download would be very quick. Plant specialists aren't induced to join by pretty layout but by useful information. I leave Web sites right away if they take forever to load. Photos could be on a separate page with the URL written in the text. Ron Iles' idea of a text-based forum is a good one. One might envision an IAS Forum page. It might look something like this: *** h tt p:/ /ww w.aro id.or g/forum.h t ml (spaces inserted to prevent your E-mail program from thinking this a real URL) IAS Forum Communications, articles, brief notes This is not a mail list; for growing questions and discussion go to http://www.aroid.org/aroid_l/index.html Copyright IAS 2002 January February March April May June July August 1 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 13 14 15 18 *** and so on. Each month would be a link to a page with the dates in that month. Each date would open in a separate window a text file with the traffic posted that day. This would not include the Aroid-L, but might include topical "Reports, Dialogue & Communication between ALL Members" as Mr Iles writes. Only days with items posted might be listed. Members without Internet connections could receive in the mail printouts of text and photos on a regular basis. This would require very much less time on the part of editors than the current system. Also, I am amazed a large list like this has moderators who approve each message. That is a tremendous amount of work and at times might lead to long delays. Other lists seem to get by without pre-approved messages, on the theory that people can ignore what doesn't interest them, and spammers have privileges terminated quickly. Leo +More -- Leo A. Martin Phoenix, Arizona, USA Like cactus and succulents? Central Arizona Cactus and Succulent Society http://www.centralarizonacactus.org Ron Iles wrote: > > Thank you, Elizabeth > > Sadly, using Adobe Acrobat as recommended on the IAS Site, with 56k modem & > state of the art PC, downloads of complete low resolution 2001 NLs are > inexorably slow, those of high resolution impossible. > > So to all Aroiders, Members & Prospective. > > Can "IAS Proceedings" be put in files of most easily accessed one page at a > time? Maybe then electronic "News" for World Members could be as often as > needed & available. As I said in June 2001 it might allow OPEN Dialogue > between ALL Members, not quarterly, not monthly, but even daily. One > page at a time within a planned folder structure would seem to be most easy > for the producers as well as consumers. Having a "production chain" > arduously to grind out & print dutifully", "THE" "News"letter, maximum > twelve page quarterly does not seem to be in keeping with the image of a > vibrantly communicating International Aroid Society. > > Please could we have a snail mail referendum of those who want Hard Copy? > Please can some of us have day to day AND more historic "Proceedings of the > International Aroid Society" in most easily downloadable weekly/daily single > page files in colour on the IAS site. To me this would appear to increase > opportunity for sustained major dialogue & understanding the real & dynamic > needs of World Membership. Also, would it not transfer much of the heavy > work load from the willing shoulders of the few stalwarts, especially in > Florida & nearby who strive so hard & idealistically for the success of the > IAS & to keep it viable. As I suggested over a year ago in NL2001 (1) is > this the evolutionary road which IAS should take? > > There is no SINGLE password protected Site for topical Reports, Dialogue & > Communication between ALL Members so that all proceedings involving & > between all Members are not "in camera" but fully open & democratic. Indeed > it might function as the "heart beat" of the Society keeping the body whole, > healthy, growing & most active. > > I hope my breaking of "radio silence" on matters about which I felt VERY > strongly proves positive for the International Aroid Society. > > R.B.Iles

From: "Alan Galloway" alan_galloway at bellsouth.net> on 2002.08.18 at 18:43:10(9213) > What us digest form? Angel > Angel, Digest form is an option that you can choose that tells the listserver how 'often' you want your Aroid-l mail delivered to you. By default, the listserver does not set this option when people subscribe to Aroid-l. And it means that you will receive messages fairly soon after the moderators approve them. And as of the last few days, the moderators are approving on average about 15 messages per day. If you did not want to get 15 separate emails per day, but preferred to get a single message a day with all of that day's messages bundled together, you would want to choose the daily-digest mode. If you only wanted to get 1 message per week of all the Aroid-l messages bundled togehter, you would choose the weekly-digest mode. It is a personal preference for everyone -- For anyone trying to decide if this is any option they would like, just ask yourself how many times a day you want to hear that little person in your computer say, "You've got mail" +More Alan

From: angel morales angel151 at earthlink.net> on 2002.08.18 at 19:04:08(9215) Thanks for the reply regarding list servers options. But, how do you then make the changes to your mail options via the list server. Is it done by contacting the list server of going to the site directly and clicking on some kind of option button. Thanks....angel -- Angel151@earthlink.net

From: Krzysztof Kozminski kk at kozminski.com> on 2002.08.19 at 03:52:03(9227) On Sunday, August 18, 2002, at 10:15 AM, Ron Iles wrote: Sadly, using Adobe Acrobat as recommended on the IAS Site, with 56k modem & +More state of the art PC, downloads of complete low resolution 2001 NLs are inexorably slow, those of high resolution impossible. When you mention low/high resolution, you must mean the embedded photos, right? The solution: take the photos out of the on-line edition and replace with hyperlinks or menus for selecting desired size & resolution. Perhaps put in small thumbnails (64x48 pixels) for the user to be able to decide whether or not to download each photo. Most of the contemporary word processing programs will let you generate both PDF and HTML from the master text. 12 pages of pure-text PDF/HTML should load in well under a minute over a 28.8 line. In FrameMaker, it should be possible to generate the on-line editions and the version for the typesetter with very little additional effort on the part of the newsletter editor. KK http://www.kozminski.com -------------- "Software engineering is simply choosing the right wrench to pound in the correct screw."

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.08.20 at 02:23:25(9240) Greetings Leo! THANK YOU! BRIGHT NEW ENTHUSIASM & REFRESHINGLY THOUGHTFUL IDEAS FROM DISTANT ARIZONA.... If only Leos came in thousands.... You wrote... +More "I .....have given some thought to Web usablility, especially because I can't even get 56K from my modem. >>>>>>>>>>56k modems here work at usually less than 5k, even 1k/second sometimes!!!!. So thanks for highlighting the difficulties of "distance". Is it not distant off-shore people who enable the Society to call itself "International". It appears to me that operations & logistics often disfavour off shore & otherwise distant Members...By having globally focussed Member evolved strategies & policies & finding out & meeting their real needs there could be thousands more of us........ As you pertinently write "the purpose of a newsletter is to communicate information". BUT.....is not it important for it to be an OPEN DIALOGUE FOR MEMBERS not just the quarterly hand-down? There is the greatest appreciation to Alan & colleagues for their work in design & operation of Aroid-L. But it is still for the Public "subscribers"....free of charge. The only place that all IAS Members can talk together is there. So, apart from the Plant Exchange, what point in joining IAS anyway? Could there not be a Forum "division" for all Members. just for Society discourse so that EVERYBODY within the Society knows what is happening as or BEFORE it happens...continuously.? A two way system for ALL Members with opportunity for referenda, surveys, etc, etc. I suggested this (& many other seemingly desirable changes) in my June 2001 Newsletter Editorial. The Board now has such a separate "closed" site? I am disturbed because I noticed that in the Web Version of that Newsletter a statement as follows was added seemingly recently to my Editorial apparently saying that the pre-publication approved statements do not necessarily reflect those of the IAS.... Albeit the suggestions & ideas were strong, but can I request Members belatedly to advise me please? These are but a few of many key IAS things about which I have been brought to feel VERY strongly. but sadly I feel I have been unable to achieve much of lasting worth for IAS after wasting far too much time & energies. . It would have been so good to have been able to debate EVERYTHING positively, objectively, rationally & uninhibitedly with ALL Members WITHIN a Society Forum. How much extra do Members of IAS constitutionally & democratically share that the Public can do equally anyway? Could we look at these things again? Incidentally for the past two years or more it is unclear who are still Members, who are new & how many or how few remain? A Member Forum might remedy this deficiency? Now...picking up on what you wrote Leo, can I support your ideas... 1. Please can the Newsletter be in plain ASCII text files (with file extension .TXT) for communicating information simply & quickest to download? 2. Can the Newsletters be most easily downloaded in the appropriate version of Acrobat Reader as Leo intimated? 3. Can photos be on a dedicated separate IAS page with the URL written in the NL text. 1-3 might make Life much easier for Editors & the Graphic Designer? 4. Could the photos be posted simply (with thumbnails?) on a dedicated Members only IAS NL Photos Web Site. 5. Why is most of the IAS Archive Site given away free? In the time it takes to do an old-fashioned quarterly maximum 12 page "Newsletter", maybe hundreds of edited pages incorporating vibrant creative feedback such as Leo's might be posteable in MEMBERS DAILY DIALOGUE Pages to move IAS fast forward in World FOCUS? 4. Can there be a text based forum as Leo now details.....? 5. Structuralisation is obviously paramount. As well as information writings could it contain topical "Reports, Dialogue & Communication between ALL Members"? Again at the risk of incurring disfavour can I suggest an inclusive title for the Forum be something like "Proceedings of the International Aroid Society".... (The Forum might only be less & less traditional "news"?) 6. Can Members without Internet connections receive mail printouts of text and photos on an as required basis. 7. Leo writes "I am amazed a large list like this has moderators who approve each message. That is a tremendous amount of work and at times might lead to long delays. Other lists seem to get by without pre-approved messages, on the theory that people can ignore what doesn't interest them, and spammers have privileges terminated quickly". >>>>>>>>>Could a lot of that work be avoided by having th dedicated forum for all & only Members with a defined code of practice. It might surely reduce pressure on & fear of Aroid-L being "inflamed". Aroid-L standards could be indirectly influenced by ALL of its Members from WITHIN their own debating forum? Aroid-L is the ONLY medium in which I can write to ALL Members on line & in THIS missive I would prefer a Members Forum. However it is the only way now to take wide "soundings". Leo asks do we like cactus and succulents? >>>>>>>>>>>Yes, my Aunt who would have been100 this year was Life-Time President of Bristol UK Cactus Society with a very extensive & rare Collection & you may have met her when she safaried from Phoenix, Arizona in her 80's. My paternal & maternal family each have >120 years of horticultural experience. You know my interest in Spathiphyllum species? So, do you grow Spathiphyllums even in Arizona? Roots in warm water (like many aroids) they thrive maybe anywhere warm, shady & even dry & good for humidifying indoors in quantity..... Once again Leo, thank you for the new blood enthusiasm , great ideas &, having made my own unstinting commitment to IAS, for stimulating me into an unihibited positive reply. Ron Iles Ireland http://www.centralarizonacactus.org >>>>>>>>>>PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE keep being a positivecatalyst! Ron Iles wrote: > > Thank you, Elizabeth > > Sadly, using Adobe Acrobat as recommended on the IAS Site, with 56k modem & > state of the art PC, downloads of complete low resolution 2001 NLs are > inexorably slow, those of high resolution impossible. > > So to all Aroiders, Members & Prospective. > > Can "IAS Proceedings" be put in files of most easily accessed one page at a > time? Maybe then electronic "News" for World Members could be as often as > needed & available. As I said in June 2001 it might allow OPEN Dialogue > between ALL Members, not quarterly, not monthly, but even daily. One > page at a time within a planned folder structure would seem to be most easy > for the producers as well as consumers. Having a "production chain" > arduously to grind out & print dutifully", "THE" "News"letter, maximum > twelve page quarterly does not seem to be in keeping with the image of a > vibrantly communicating International Aroid Society. > > Please could we have a snail mail referendum of those who want Hard Copy? > Please can some of us have day to day AND more historic "Proceedings of the > International Aroid Society" in most easily downloadable weekly/daily single > page files in colour on the IAS site. To me this would appear to increase > opportunity for sustained major dialogue & understanding the real & dynamic > needs of World Membership. Also, would it not transfer much of the heavy > work load from the willing shoulders of the few stalwarts, especially in > Florida & nearby who strive so hard & idealistically for the success of the > IAS & to keep it viable. As I suggested over a year ago in NL2001 (1) is > this the evolutionary road which IAS should take? > > There is no SINGLE password protected Site for topical Reports, Dialogue & > Communication between ALL Members so that all proceedings involving & > between all Members are not "in camera" but fully open & democratic. Indeed > it might function as the "heart beat" of the Society keeping the body whole, > healthy, growing & most active. > > I hope my breaking of "radio silence" on matters about which I felt VERY > strongly proves positive for the International Aroid Society. > > R.B.Iles

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2002.08.21 at 23:17:44(9257) My copy arrived today! Great job all! Julius Boos, WPB, Florida +More >>Nope...last thing received was a membership roster a week or so ago... Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland mtalt@hort.net Editor: Gardening in Shade<< ----------------------------------------------- Current Article: Planting Basics http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening ------------------------------------------------ Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html ------------------------------------------------ All Suite101.com garden topics : http://www.suite101.com/topics.cfm/635 > -----Original Message----- > Subject: [aroid-l] IAS newsletter > > > As one of the Aroid-l listowners, I'm running a test and need to send a > message > to the whole list......but in an effort to generate some traffic, I'll ask a > question.... > > Has anyone received the the 3rd newsletter of the year in the last day or > so? > > Alan > > >

From: BSuchy at t-online.de (Berthold Suchy) on 2002.09.02 at 05:28:20(9319) -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: Berthold Suchy [mailto:bsuchy@t-online.de] Gesendet: Freitag, 30. August 2002 18:03 An: 'aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu' +More Betreff: [aroid-l] IAS newsletter I have received Vol.24 -3 today. In Baunatal, Germany Berthold

From: "Jean -Paul FERRY" jpcferry2 at wanadoo.fr> on 1970.01.01 at 00:00:00(9320) l have received Vol.24-3 today In NANCY FRANCE

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