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  totems for climbers
From: "Sheralee & Iain McGregor" shez_iain at hotmail.com> on 2002.05.12 at 09:38:59(8757)
I have been experimenting with totems for climbing aroids with varying
success. During my browsing I had seen a cylender of wire mesh filled with
sphagnum , I duplicated this and have had a great result.
Can anyone throw more ideas for a better totem?
Iain Mcgregor Perth Western Australia

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From: Susan Cox snalice at cnmnetwork.com> on 2002.05.13 at 08:43:33(8759)
Here are some really neat totems, but what are they made of? I've been
looking for a good totem also. These plants and totems are featured at
the Jardin Botanique du Montet (Nancy, France), and are referenced to by
David Scherberich on his personal Ariod page here:
http://dscherberich.free.fr/. I would like to see what medium they
used. Could it be coir fibers?

Susan Cox

From: EGoldfluss at aol.com on 2002.05.13 at 11:48:11(8761)
I've been growing on sphagnum wrapped in wire. I use a core of florists oasis which helps to retain moisture. It seems to work pretty well.
Ed

From: "Harry Witmore" harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2002.05.13 at 11:50:15(8762)
I saw some totems just like these for sale at a nursery in Charlotte NC. I
need to go back and see who makes them. My impression was that this was coco
fiber. They were 4 feet tall I believe.

Harry Witmore

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From: dscherberich dscherberich at wanadoo.fr> on 2002.05.13 at 13:54:18(8764)
Dear Susan,

Indeed you are right, climbing aroids are cultivated on coconut fiber
covered plastic tubes. They seem to really like it. These are bought
here in France (www.sicatec.com) but you probably could find it
somewhere in the USA or maybe you could try doing them by yourself ?

With best regards,

David

Susan Cox a *crit :
>
> Here are some really neat totems, but what are they made of? I've been
> looking for a good totem also. These plants and totems are featured at
> the Jardin Botanique du Montet (Nancy, France), and are referenced to by
> David Scherberich on his personal Ariod page here:
> http://dscherberich.free.fr/. I would like to see what medium they
> used. Could it be coir fibers?
>
> Susan Cox

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David Scherberich

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From: Neil Carroll zzamia at hargray.com> on 2002.05.14 at 11:27:50(8765)
David and all, I would be very careful using potting products which contain
coconut fiber. The material is fine until it breaks down. It breaks down
realitivly faster than more traditional potting products. When this stuff
goes it will take your roots with it. Of course this is my experience and
others may have a different experience.

Neil

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From: Susan Cox snalice at cnmnetwork.com> on 2002.05.14 at 11:30:18(8766)
David,
Thanks for that information. I thought I saw plastic in the background,
but I couldn't put it together with the coir. I would love to try
making them myself. I haven't found a coco fiber source here locally,
other than the pith or mats, one of which I did buy that was actually a
liner for baskets, though flat like I haven't seen here before here. I
thought maybe I could roll it into a cylinder. Usually all I can find
is the formed fiber mats that fit directly into the baskets. These are
not at all inexpensive and the flat, round one I bought cost me $7.00
plus it's missing it's corners. If anyone knows of a source here in the
US for either the fiber (preferably) which could be wrapped and tied, or
square blocks, would you mind posting the source? This would be very
much appreciated!

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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2002.05.14 at 11:31:49(8767)
Hello David and all Friends,

I wonder how they manage the seemingly LONG fibers seen in the photos if it
is from the actual coconut, one would think that no fiber would be longer
than about 11" as it is limited by the size of the nut/ fruit. Anyone know
for sure??
The best totems I`ve seen were made by bending wire with about a 3/4" mesh
around a 3 or 4" square bit of wood, fastening the two sides of the wire
'box' so created by bending the wire-points around the opposing side, then
stuffing the tube TIGHTLY with sphagnum by compressing it with a
broom-stick. It held moisture well, and the roots of climbers loved it.

Julius

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From: "Kathy Kempf" wont_read101 at hotmail.com> on 2002.05.14 at 11:33:21(8768)
Forgive a newcomer's ignorance, but to me, a totem is either a carving,
usually wooden, representing someone's ancestry; or a "spirit guide". Would
this new use of the word be more of a flexible trellis, suitable for soft
material?

Kathy

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From: araceae at earthlink.net on 2002.05.14 at 11:38:02(8771)
I have been using this method for years... After about 3 years, the
spaghnum will break down... Of course, this depends on the quality
of the spaghnum used.
Dewey

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From: "john s. smolowe" johnsmolowe at pacbell.net> on 2002.05.14 at 11:39:34(8772)
I contacted Sicatec 2 years ago about these totems after seeing them on
the Jardin Botanique webpage photos. They would not ship directly to a
private party in the US, but said they distributed in the US through
Smith & Hawken. I contacted Smith & Hawken, but was unable to convince
them to order. If anyone knows a source, I'd love to get some Sicatec totems.

John Smolowe

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From: Ron McHatton rmchatton at photocircuits.com> on 2002.05.14 at 12:46:16(8775)
OFE International in Miami sells coconut fiber as loose long fiber in 1/4
cubic foot size up to a compressed bale of 6 cubic feet. Their web address
is www.ofe-intl.com

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From: "Plantsman" plantsman at prodigy.net> on 2002.05.14 at 12:48:11(8776)
Could you use neatly broken up pieces of tree fern root inside a
wire cage? It seems to last a long time with orchids.

David Sizemore

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From: "ron" ronlene at adelphia.net> on 2002.05.14 at 13:58:50(8782)
Have you tried tree fern logs?? Ron
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From: dscherberich dscherberich at wanadoo.fr> on 2002.05.14 at 14:01:58(8784)
Indeed, I agree with Neil, especially when it is used as a potting mix.
But in this case we have a few years experience now and it will stay
just fine for at least 2 to 3 years. Plastic is nice because there is no
risk that it deteriorates and so whatever happens it holds the plants.

David

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From: Susan Cox snalice at cnmnetwork.com> on 2002.05.14 at 14:34:19(8785)
Hello Julius,

I would take some 11" coir fibers if I could find some. They would take
to wrapping nicely around a pole. Everything I've seen, including OFE's
fibers, looks to be only inches long. Plus there seems to be chances
mixed in with it. What else could provide this length, or longer
fiber? Also, if the fibers are wrapped to the outside of a pole, it
seems they wouldn't be susceptible to rot nearly as much as a stuffed
cylinder which would get less air circulation inside the moss, inside
the cylinder?

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From: "Harry Witmore" harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2002.05.14 at 19:41:58(8789)
Where would you find tree fern poles?

Harry Witmore

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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2002.05.14 at 19:45:21(8791)
I would discourage the use of tree-fern 'logs' for any purpose, these are
wild-collected products and soon wipe out an area of any tree-ferns, they
take ages to grow to any size in nature (scream at me, you orchid-growers!!)
:--)>.

Julius

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From: Angel Morales angel151 at earthlink.net> on 2002.05.14 at 20:50:31(8794)
What about those "cypress bark totem poles" ,and why aren't they more
readily available on the market for the consumer . angel
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Angel151@earthlink.net

From: StellrJ at aol.com on 2002.05.15 at 11:57:45(8797)
In a message dated 05/14/2002 11:34:49 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wont_read101@hotmail.com writes:

Forgive a newcomer's ignorance, but to me, a totem is either a carving,
usually wooden, representing someone's ancestry; or a "spirit guide." Would
this new use of the word be more of a flexible trellis, suitable for soft
material?

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From: "ron" ronlene at adelphia.net> on 2002.05.28 at 15:57:58(8914)
For tree fern, try OFE International, Miami Florida 3005-253-7080. They
have it ALL. Ron
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