aquatic spathiphyllum

From: "Petra Schmidt" petra at plantdelights.com> on 2002.05.23 at 21:58:10(8859) Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the fish fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in dental offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you could imagine; those who had one, loved them... I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent aquatics. +More Petra

From: "Harry Witmore" harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2002.05.23 at 23:32:18(8861) Not just the Midwest. North Carolina had it's share also. Harry Witmore +More Cloud Jungle Art www.witmore.net -----Original Message----- Schmidt Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:58 PM To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the fish fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in dental offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you could imagine; those who had one, loved them... I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent aquatics. Petra

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2002.05.23 at 23:33:58(8862) Dear Petra and Ron, Just to remember: Spathiphyllum gardneri (from Central Brazil) grows in river banks and most plants are usually flooded during the rainy season. I am not meaning a wet foot, but I am talking about completely submerged plants (sometimes only infructescences out of the water) for a month or two. In Amazonas state (Brazil), as well as in Venezuela, Spathiphyllum cannifolium grows in full sunlight in swamps, together with Urospatha and some Montrichardia. I have also collected Spathiphyllum humboldtii growing submerged up to the middle of its petioles close to French Guiana. The same situation in a potential new species of Spathiphyllum in Acre (I think Tom is describing this one) that was growing in a completely swampy area. I have never collected in Costa Rica or Colombia, but all Brazilian species of Spathiphyllum I have seem are helophytes or rheophytes. In fact, I have never seen a truly terrestrial Spathiphyllum in Brazil! Best wishes, Eduardo. +More >From: "Petra Schmidt" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:09 -0500 (CDT) > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the >fish >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in >dental >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent >aquatics. >Petra _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.05.24 at 00:05:45(8863) Thanks Petra! "Betta in a Jar" sounds a bit like "Bird on a Wire" or zingy jazz combo. Great idea, maybe I should do the same with Guppies "Guppies by the Gallon" or other livebearers? Forget the romantic tropical stream running through Eden! Thousands of jars in every room, NO potting...ever? Maybe "Platy in a Pot" is the way to introduce Ireland to house plants & aquarium fish? What I REALLY would like to know is which kinds will & which kinds won't & why a proportion of waterlogged plants NOT in sand or compost at optimum temperature etc objected. I had planned to rely on stream culture but cannot take that chance yet.. I am trying various experiments to try to ascertain why, so far, success is limited. So any observations on waterlogging of any aroid might accelerate my finding solutions for the Spaths. Please! +More Chuckles to all I. Con. O'Clast ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 10:58 PM Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the fish fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in dental offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you could imagine; those who had one, loved them... I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent aquatics. Petra

From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2002.05.24 at 04:10:09(8865) Hi Petra and Friends, I was appaled when I saw this 'gimic' being sold at stores around here and complained to management about them, they soon stopped selling these silly things.. The plant AND the fish soon die, Betas are carnivores and only live as long as their body fat will carry them, they can not and do NOT eat roots. If there is no acess to the surface they also would drown (!) , as they MUST breathe air every few minutes. The Spath does live for some time, but it too will pretty soon expire in the clear water. One more silly 'gimic' to get your $$ at the poor fish`s expense (and the plant too!). Spath. cannifolium does grow in the rich silt/compost on the side of clear-water streams in Trinidad, VERY wet 'feet'. Good growing all! Julius +More >>Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the fish fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in dental offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you could imagine; those who had one, loved them... I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent aquatics. Petra

From: Alektra at aol.com on 2002.05.24 at 04:11:41(8866) What I find very striking about this discussion is that I never knew that Cryptocoryne could be grown terrestrially! I always thought it was solely aquatic! +More Off the topic, about those fish... The reason why bettas are used in these arrangements with spaths is, bettas are swamp critters. They require much less oxygen (and hence surface area) than other fish. Moreover, male bettas have to be kept apart from other male bettas to prevent fighting, and thus can live alone. Hence, bettas can be kept in living quarters of a size, stagnancy, and solitude which would be deadly for any other species of fish. Of course, people who want to keep a betta alive and flourishing will keep it in a spacious tank, and only slightly less aerated than a regular fishtank. I'm pretty sure that these little arrangements are severely life-shortening for the fish.

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.05.24 at 15:14:13(8867) Hi, Julius Good to hear the concern from a seeming Member of the ASPCF but no offence intended in my chuckles. Naturally I thought that when sold both fish & plants would have full instructions for the welfare of both fish & plant but it seems not so. For those who may not know the species, male bettas, (brilliantly coloured), are so aggressive towards other males they have to be reared on their own anyway. In my fun I had assumed that as air breathers they had access to the water surface, that the temperature was optimum & that they would be given a diet as befits a carnivore, that the jar was big enough & the plant roots.maintained good water quality. With room for a female the roots might provide haven for her from his most aggressive attacks after mating. Like the guppies which first gave me my lasting love of tropical fishes, it seemed to me that "Betta in a Jar" might evangelise that wonder for others..... For my Spathiphyllum it would be wonderful to synergise plant & fish culture & others. Please folks can you share your experiences on which I can base further experiments? And especial thank you for the observations so far of wild Spathiphyllum living partly or wholly in water. Apparently one of the few health hazards of Spathiphyllum is Cylindrocladium causing root & basal petiole rot in seemingly waterlogged substrate which to me is a paradox. From my reading it appears to be prevalent mostly in hybrids especially in Florida at temperatures above 85F & maybe in Holland? I assumed that many or most Spathiphyllum would grow well with their roots in suitably warmed aerated water. Immersing samples of common hybrids in various lab experiments, ALL of them rotted. So how do folks suggest they & other "willing" potted aroids can be re-established to grow emersed in water? I would like to keep both fishes & plants together best in an Irish Tropical Eden please & request all the help I can get? To me ponds, streams & waterfalls, & fauna, bring gardens even more to life. Maybe a lot of us are subconsciously seeking to re-create our own visions of Eden? Sincerely Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 5:10 AM Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum ----- Original Message ----- To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum Hi Petra and Friends, I was appaled when I saw this 'gimic' being sold at stores around here and complained to management about them, they soon stopped selling these silly things.. The plant AND the fish soon die, Betas are carnivores and only live as long as their body fat will carry them, they can not and do NOT eat roots. If there is no acess to the surface they also would drown (!) , as they MUST breathe air every few minutes. The Spath does live for some time, but it too will pretty soon expire in the clear water. One more silly 'gimic' to get your $$ at the poor fish`s expense (and the plant too!). Spath. cannifolium does grow in the rich silt/compost on the side of clear-water streams in Trinidad, VERY wet 'feet'. Good growing all! Julius >>Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the fish fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in dental offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you could imagine; those who had one, loved them... I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent aquatics. Petra

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.05.24 at 15:15:54(8868) Hi Mr. Alektra (Sorry you have me at a disadvantafe, I don't know your name) You wrote - What I find very striking about this discussion is that I never knew that +More Cryptocoryne could be grown terrestrially! I always thought it was solely aquatic! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Many Cryptocoryne actually grow better when emersed & don't react well to submerging apparently. >>>>>>>>>>>if you don't know it you might find the Cryptocoryne site interesting - http://lists.aquaria.net/plants/crypts ? >>>>>>>>>>>To me the genus is WONDERFUL & contains some of the noblest aquarium species. Ron

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.05.24 at 15:17:26(8869) Dear Eduardo! Thank you! Your observations were most motivating for my further experiments! Especially "I have never seen a truly terrestrial Spathiphyllum in Brazil" WOW! that is REALLY something. Not even species of Section Amomophyllum which is for me most beautiful? How about the "velvety" S. floribundum & its close species/sub-species? I wonder just how many aroid species can be BETTER cultured emersed, it might make cultivation so much easier &, wit fishes, exciting? The Best Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum Dear Petra and Ron, Just to remember: Spathiphyllum gardneri (from Central Brazil) grows in river banks and most plants are usually flooded during the rainy season. I am not meaning a wet foot, but I am talking about completely submerged plants (sometimes only infructescences out of the water) for a month or two. In Amazonas state (Brazil), as well as in Venezuela, Spathiphyllum cannifolium grows in full sunlight in swamps, together with Urospatha and some Montrichardia. I have also collected Spathiphyllum humboldtii growing submerged up to the middle of its petioles close to French Guiana. The same situation in a potential new species of Spathiphyllum in Acre (I think Tom is describing this one) that was growing in a completely swampy area. I have never collected in Costa Rica or Colombia, but all Brazilian species of Spathiphyllum I have seem are helophytes or rheophytes. In fact, I have never seen a truly terrestrial Spathiphyllum in Brazil! Best wishes, Eduardo. >From: "Petra Schmidt" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:09 -0500 (CDT) > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the >fish >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in >dental >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent >aquatics. >Petra _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2002.05.25 at 03:31:41(8876) Hi Ron, Well, my two forms of S. floribundum are truly terrestrial, but I have never collected them in the wild! My plants are from cultivated origin, so I collected them in a plastic pot... Cheers, Eduardo. +More >From: "Ron Iles" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:17:24 -0500 (CDT) > >Dear Eduardo! > >Thank you! Your observations were most motivating for my further >experiments! Especially "I have never seen a truly terrestrial >Spathiphyllum in Brazil" WOW! that is REALLY something. Not even species >of Section Amomophyllum which is for me most beautiful? How about the >"velvety" S. floribundum & its close species/sub-species? > >I wonder just how many aroid species can be BETTER cultured emersed, it >might make cultivation so much easier &, wit fishes, exciting? > >The Best > >Ron > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eduardo Goncalves" >To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" >Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:34 AM >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum > > >Dear Petra and Ron, > > Just to remember: Spathiphyllum gardneri (from Central Brazil) grows >in >river banks and most plants are usually flooded during the rainy season. I >am not meaning a wet foot, but I am talking about completely submerged >plants (sometimes only infructescences out of the water) for a month or >two. >In Amazonas state (Brazil), as well as in Venezuela, Spathiphyllum >cannifolium grows in full sunlight in swamps, together with Urospatha and >some Montrichardia. I have also collected Spathiphyllum humboldtii growing >submerged up to the middle of its petioles close to French Guiana. The same >situation in a potential new species of Spathiphyllum in Acre (I think Tom >is describing this one) that was growing in a completely swampy area. I >have never collected in Costa Rica or Colombia, but all Brazilian species >of >Spathiphyllum I have seem are helophytes or rheophytes. In fact, I have >never seen a truly terrestrial Spathiphyllum in Brazil! > > Best wishes, > > Eduardo. > > > >From: "Petra Schmidt" > >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum > >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:09 -0500 (CDT) > > > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the >Midwest, > >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were > >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and >a > >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the > >fish > >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in > >dental > >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else >you > >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... > >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden > >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent > >aquatics. > >Petra > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Eduardo G. Goncalves Laboratorio de Fitoquimica Depto. de Botanica - IB Universidade de Sao Paulo Caixa Postal 11461 - CEP 05422-970 Sao Paulo - SP - BRAZIL e-mail: edggon@hotmail.com edggon@ib.usp.br Phone: 55 11 3091-7532 FAX : 55 11 3091-7547 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.05.26 at 04:40:07(8878) Hi Eduardo! Sorry, S. floribundum & its relative(s) seem to be from Colombia not Brazil? I assume both are common house plants even in Brazil? Certainly, amongst the loveliest of the genus but they like very moist well drained soil. So, what happens if you gradually immerse them in swamp or stream conditions? Are they common in Nurseries in Brazil? Are Spaths grown terrestrially or sometimes as helo/rheophytes in Brazilian horticulture? Salut Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 4:31 AM Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum Hi Ron, Well, my two forms of S. floribundum are truly terrestrial, but I have never collected them in the wild! My plants are from cultivated origin, so I collected them in a plastic pot... Cheers, Eduardo. >From: "Ron Iles" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:17:24 -0500 (CDT) > >Dear Eduardo! > >Thank you! Your observations were most motivating for my further >experiments! Especially "I have never seen a truly terrestrial >Spathiphyllum in Brazil" WOW! that is REALLY something. Not even species >of Section Amomophyllum which is for me most beautiful? How about the >"velvety" S. floribundum & its close species/sub-species? > >I wonder just how many aroid species can be BETTER cultured emersed, it >might make cultivation so much easier &, wit fishes, exciting? > >The Best > >Ron > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eduardo Goncalves" >To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" >Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:34 AM >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum > > >Dear Petra and Ron, > > Just to remember: Spathiphyllum gardneri (from Central Brazil) grows >in >river banks and most plants are usually flooded during the rainy season. I >am not meaning a wet foot, but I am talking about completely submerged >plants (sometimes only infructescences out of the water) for a month or >two. >In Amazonas state (Brazil), as well as in Venezuela, Spathiphyllum >cannifolium grows in full sunlight in swamps, together with Urospatha and >some Montrichardia. I have also collected Spathiphyllum humboldtii growing >submerged up to the middle of its petioles close to French Guiana. The same >situation in a potential new species of Spathiphyllum in Acre (I think Tom >is describing this one) that was growing in a completely swampy area. I >have never collected in Costa Rica or Colombia, but all Brazilian species >of >Spathiphyllum I have seem are helophytes or rheophytes. In fact, I have >never seen a truly terrestrial Spathiphyllum in Brazil! > > Best wishes, > > Eduardo. > > > >From: "Petra Schmidt" > >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum > >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:09 -0500 (CDT) > > > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the >Midwest, > >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were > >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and >a > >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the > >fish > >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in > >dental > >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else >you > >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... > >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden > >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent > >aquatics. > >Petra > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Eduardo G. Goncalves Laboratorio de Fitoquimica Depto. de Botanica - IB Universidade de Sao Paulo Caixa Postal 11461 - CEP 05422-970 Sao Paulo - SP - BRAZIL e-mail: edggon@hotmail.com edggon@ib.usp.br Phone: 55 11 3091-7532 FAX : 55 11 3091-7547 _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.05.26 at 18:54:04(8883) Spathiphyllum cannifolium seems often reported as an emersed or intermittently submerged aquatic. Could its growth in full sunlight be made possible by the thick leathery leaves? Surely the thin leaves of Section Spathiphyllum species would not tolerate full sunlight? I have just re-read Deni Bown's magnificent Book & note the aquatic aroid genera. ANY supplementary observations would be hugely interesting & help me to find out how those aroids adapt to being fully emersed.. Below is a provisional list of Spathiphyllum species. Does anyone have ANY habitat & environmental observations please? SPATHIPHYLLUM SPECIES Section Massowia (K. Koch) Engler S. cannaefolium (Dryand.)Schott S. commutatum Schott S. laeve Engler Section Amomophyllum (Engler) *S. bariense Bunting * S. cuspidatum Schott S. floribundum (Lind. et Andre) N.E. Brown S. floribundum var(?) ex Cali, Colombia (new species?) S. fulvovirens Schott *S. gardneri Schott *S. gracilis Bunting *S. jejunum Bunting S. juninense Bunting *S. kalbreyeri Bunting *S. lechlerianum Schott ??? *S. liesneri Croat *S. maguirei Bunting *S. mawarinumae Bunting S. minor Bunting *S. monachinoi Bunting *S. monachinoi var. monachinoi Bunting *S. monachinoi var. perangustum Bunting *S. neblinae Bunting S. patinii (Hogg) N.E. Brown *S. patulinervum Bunting?????? *S. perezii Bunting S. quindiuense Engler *S. schomburgkii Schott S. silvicola R.A.Baker *S. sipapoanum Bunting *S. tenerum Engl Section Dysspathiphyllum Engler *S. humboldtii Schott Section Spathiphyllum *S. atrovirens Schott S. blandum Schott S. brevirostre (Liebm.) Schott S. cochlearispathum (Liebm.) Schott S. friedrichstalii Schott S. grandifolium Engler S. kochii Engler & Krause S. lanceaefolium (Jacq.) Schott S. matudae Bunting S. ortgiesii Regel S. phryniifolium Schott S. wallisii Regel S. wendlandii Schott Section Chlaenophyllum *S. solomonense Nicolson Sectional affinity unknown: *S. schlechteri (Engl. & Krause) For the starred species, does anyone have live material too in their Collections, please? Goodwill to All Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:34 AM Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum Dear Petra and Ron, Just to remember: Spathiphyllum gardneri (from Central Brazil) grows in river banks and most plants are usually flooded during the rainy season. I am not meaning a wet foot, but I am talking about completely submerged plants (sometimes only infructescences out of the water) for a month or two. In Amazonas state (Brazil), as well as in Venezuela, Spathiphyllum cannifolium grows in full sunlight in swamps, together with Urospatha and some Montrichardia. I have also collected Spathiphyllum humboldtii growing submerged up to the middle of its petioles close to French Guiana. The same situation in a potential new species of Spathiphyllum in Acre (I think Tom is describing this one) that was growing in a completely swampy area. I have never collected in Costa Rica or Colombia, but all Brazilian species of Spathiphyllum I have seem are helophytes or rheophytes. In fact, I have never seen a truly terrestrial Spathiphyllum in Brazil! Best wishes, Eduardo. >From: "Petra Schmidt" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:09 -0500 (CDT) > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the >fish >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in >dental >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent >aquatics. >Petra _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

From: "Eduardo Goncalves" edggon at hotmail.com> on 2002.05.27 at 02:56:30(8884) Dear Ron, Yes, S. floribundum is from Western Colombia and Panama. This species are not common in nurseries in Brazil. In fact, you can see only S. wallisii, S. ortgiesii and S. cannifolium in Brazilian nurseries, that are really deceptive! My plants came from a friend that obtained his plants from someone a long time ago. No idea from where they came, but they are beauties anyway! +More Very best wishes, Eduardo. >From: "Ron Iles" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:40:05 -0500 (CDT) > >Hi Eduardo! > >Sorry, S. floribundum & its relative(s) seem to be from Colombia not >Brazil? >I assume both are common house plants even in Brazil? Certainly, amongst >the loveliest of the genus but they like very moist well drained soil. >So, >what happens if you gradually immerse them in swamp or stream conditions? >Are they common in Nurseries in Brazil? Are Spaths grown terrestrially or >sometimes as helo/rheophytes in Brazilian horticulture? > >Salut > >Ron > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eduardo Goncalves" >To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" >Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 4:31 AM >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum > > >Hi Ron, > > Well, my two forms of S. floribundum are truly terrestrial, but I have >never collected them in the wild! My plants are from cultivated origin, so >I >collected them in a plastic pot... > > Cheers, > > Eduardo. > > > >From: "Ron Iles" > >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum > >Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:17:24 -0500 (CDT) > > > >Dear Eduardo! > > > >Thank you! Your observations were most motivating for my further > >experiments! Especially "I have never seen a truly terrestrial > >Spathiphyllum in Brazil" WOW! that is REALLY something. Not even >species > >of Section Amomophyllum which is for me most beautiful? How about the > >"velvety" S. floribundum & its close species/sub-species? > > > >I wonder just how many aroid species can be BETTER cultured emersed, it > >might make cultivation so much easier &, wit fishes, exciting? > > > >The Best > > > >Ron > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eduardo Goncalves" > >To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" > >Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:34 AM > >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum > > > > > >Dear Petra and Ron, > > > > Just to remember: Spathiphyllum gardneri (from Central Brazil) grows > >in > >river banks and most plants are usually flooded during the rainy season. >I > >am not meaning a wet foot, but I am talking about completely submerged > >plants (sometimes only infructescences out of the water) for a month or > >two. > >In Amazonas state (Brazil), as well as in Venezuela, Spathiphyllum > >cannifolium grows in full sunlight in swamps, together with Urospatha and > >some Montrichardia. I have also collected Spathiphyllum humboldtii >growing > >submerged up to the middle of its petioles close to French Guiana. The >same > >situation in a potential new species of Spathiphyllum in Acre (I think >Tom > >is describing this one) that was growing in a completely swampy area. I > >have never collected in Costa Rica or Colombia, but all Brazilian species > >of > >Spathiphyllum I have seem are helophytes or rheophytes. In fact, I have > >never seen a truly terrestrial Spathiphyllum in Brazil! > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Eduardo. > > > > > > >From: "Petra Schmidt" > > >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > > >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum > > >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:09 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the > >Midwest, > > >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits >were > > >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish >and > >a > > >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the > > >fish > > >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in > > >dental > > >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else > >you > > >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... > > >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden > > >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent > > >aquatics. > > >Petra > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > >Eduardo G. Goncalves >Laboratorio de Fitoquimica >Depto. de Botanica - IB >Universidade de Sao Paulo >Caixa Postal 11461 - CEP 05422-970 >Sao Paulo - SP - BRAZIL >e-mail: edggon@hotmail.com > edggon@ib.usp.br >Phone: 55 11 3091-7532 >FAX : 55 11 3091-7547 > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > Eduardo G. Goncalves Laboratorio de Fitoquimica Depto. de Botanica - IB Universidade de Sao Paulo Caixa Postal 11461 - CEP 05422-970 Sao Paulo - SP - BRAZIL e-mail: edggon@hotmail.com edggon@ib.usp.br Phone: 55 11 3091-7532 FAX : 55 11 3091-7547 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

From: "Kathy Kempf" wont_read101 at hotmail.com> on 2002.05.27 at 16:06:05(8888) I have grown one of these arrangements for the past 18 months. Plant is to be kept "bare root" inside the jar, with roots submerged. After 18 months, crown went from a single to 9. Roots not completely submerged get tough, but healthy. Submerged parts of roots are pliant, develop feeder hairs which are eaten by the beta (fish food must be added to keep fish healthy). A similar species that is a new acquisition (since January) is Syngonium 'Neon'. I was advised to keep it in moist soil in a high humidity. Being a devout propagator, I separated the crowns and put them in a variety of growing situations: as advised, in lower humidity, and growing in a pot that was 1/3 submerged in water. The latter proved the favorite: plant developed multiple crowns, growing luxurious. Plant in lower humidity has many brown areas on leaves. Plant grown as advised not as big or as many new crowns, but OK. I am going to attempt it this summer as the spathes (bareroot in water). +More P.S. Petra, it was a (former?) Columbus Ohio woman who developed the kit, so they were marketed heavily in this area, "native woman makes good". >From: "Petra Schmidt" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:07 -0500 (CDT) > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the >fish >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in >dental >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent >aquatics. >Petra > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.05.28 at 01:25:13(8898) Thank you Kathy. Hopefully each public & private bit of information coming in will make up a meaningful bigger picture. I hope to find out why in Ireland (but not in UK) I have so far failed to grow Spaths submerged. I will report back if I find out Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum I have grown one of these arrangements for the past 18 months. Plant is to be kept "bare root" inside the jar, with roots submerged. After 18 months, crown went from a single to 9. Roots not completely submerged get tough, but healthy. Submerged parts of roots are pliant, develop feeder hairs which are eaten by the beta (fish food must be added to keep fish healthy). A similar species that is a new acquisition (since January) is Syngonium 'Neon'. I was advised to keep it in moist soil in a high humidity. Being a devout propagator, I separated the crowns and put them in a variety of growing situations: as advised, in lower humidity, and growing in a pot that was 1/3 submerged in water. The latter proved the favorite: plant developed multiple crowns, growing luxurious. Plant in lower humidity has many brown areas on leaves. Plant grown as advised not as big or as many new crowns, but OK. I am going to attempt it this summer as the spathes (bareroot in water). P.S. Petra, it was a (former?) Columbus Ohio woman who developed the kit, so they were marketed heavily in this area, "native woman makes good". >From: "Petra Schmidt" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:07 -0500 (CDT) > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the >fish >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in >dental >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent >aquatics. >Petra > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.05.28 at 01:27:04(8899) Thank You again Eduardo Indeed, S.floribundum forms are to me the most beautiful of the genus but for fragrance maybe S. commutatum I had flowering freely in UK but not mature enough here. Ron +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 3:56 AM Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum Dear Ron, Yes, S. floribundum is from Western Colombia and Panama. This species are not common in nurseries in Brazil. In fact, you can see only S. wallisii, S. ortgiesii and S. cannifolium in Brazilian nurseries, that are really deceptive! My plants came from a friend that obtained his plants from someone a long time ago. No idea from where they came, but they are beauties anyway! Very best wishes, Eduardo. >From: "Ron Iles" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:40:05 -0500 (CDT) > >Hi Eduardo! > >Sorry, S. floribundum & its relative(s) seem to be from Colombia not >Brazil? >I assume both are common house plants even in Brazil? Certainly, amongst >the loveliest of the genus but they like very moist well drained soil. >So, >what happens if you gradually immerse them in swamp or stream conditions? >Are they common in Nurseries in Brazil? Are Spaths grown terrestrially or >sometimes as helo/rheophytes in Brazilian horticulture? > >Salut > >Ron > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Eduardo Goncalves" >To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" >Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2002 4:31 AM >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum > > >Hi Ron, > > Well, my two forms of S. floribundum are truly terrestrial, but I have >never collected them in the wild! My plants are from cultivated origin, so >I >collected them in a plastic pot... > > Cheers, > > Eduardo. > > > >From: "Ron Iles" > >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum > >Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:17:24 -0500 (CDT) > > > >Dear Eduardo! > > > >Thank you! Your observations were most motivating for my further > >experiments! Especially "I have never seen a truly terrestrial > >Spathiphyllum in Brazil" WOW! that is REALLY something. Not even >species > >of Section Amomophyllum which is for me most beautiful? How about the > >"velvety" S. floribundum & its close species/sub-species? > > > >I wonder just how many aroid species can be BETTER cultured emersed, it > >might make cultivation so much easier &, wit fishes, exciting? > > > >The Best > > > >Ron > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Eduardo Goncalves" > >To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" > >Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 12:34 AM > >Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum > > > > > >Dear Petra and Ron, > > > > Just to remember: Spathiphyllum gardneri (from Central Brazil) grows > >in > >river banks and most plants are usually flooded during the rainy season. >I > >am not meaning a wet foot, but I am talking about completely submerged > >plants (sometimes only infructescences out of the water) for a month or > >two. > >In Amazonas state (Brazil), as well as in Venezuela, Spathiphyllum > >cannifolium grows in full sunlight in swamps, together with Urospatha and > >some Montrichardia. I have also collected Spathiphyllum humboldtii >growing > >submerged up to the middle of its petioles close to French Guiana. The >same > >situation in a potential new species of Spathiphyllum in Acre (I think >Tom > >is describing this one) that was growing in a completely swampy area. I > >have never collected in Costa Rica or Colombia, but all Brazilian species > >of > >Spathiphyllum I have seem are helophytes or rheophytes. In fact, I have > >never seen a truly terrestrial Spathiphyllum in Brazil! > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Eduardo. > > > > > > >From: "Petra Schmidt" > > >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org > > >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L > > >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum > > >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:09 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the > >Midwest, > > >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits >were > > >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish >and > >a > > >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the > > >fish > > >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in > > >dental > > >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else > >you > > >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... > > >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden > > >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent > > >aquatics. > > >Petra > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > >Eduardo G. Goncalves >Laboratorio de Fitoquimica >Depto. de Botanica - IB >Universidade de Sao Paulo >Caixa Postal 11461 - CEP 05422-970 >Sao Paulo - SP - BRAZIL >e-mail: edggon@hotmail.com > edggon@ib.usp.br >Phone: 55 11 3091-7532 >FAX : 55 11 3091-7547 > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > Eduardo G. Goncalves Laboratorio de Fitoquimica Depto. de Botanica - IB Universidade de Sao Paulo Caixa Postal 11461 - CEP 05422-970 Sao Paulo - SP - BRAZIL e-mail: edggon@hotmail.com edggon@ib.usp.br Phone: 55 11 3091-7532 FAX : 55 11 3091-7547 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

From: "Ron Iles" roniles at eircom.net> on 2002.05.28 at 04:02:37(8902) There was an error in my message. It should have read "I have so far failed to grow Spaths EMERSED". I have no cultural need or wish to grow them submerged +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 2:25 AM Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum Thank you Kathy. Hopefully each public & private bit of information coming in will make up a meaningful bigger picture. I hope to find out why in Ireland (but not in UK) I have so far failed to grow Spaths submerged. I will report back if I find out Ron ----- Original Message ----- To: "Multiple recipients of list AROID-L" Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: aquatic spathiphyllum I have grown one of these arrangements for the past 18 months. Plant is to be kept "bare root" inside the jar, with roots submerged. After 18 months, crown went from a single to 9. Roots not completely submerged get tough, but healthy. Submerged parts of roots are pliant, develop feeder hairs which are eaten by the beta (fish food must be added to keep fish healthy). A similar species that is a new acquisition (since January) is Syngonium 'Neon'. I was advised to keep it in moist soil in a high humidity. Being a devout propagator, I separated the crowns and put them in a variety of growing situations: as advised, in lower humidity, and growing in a pot that was 1/3 submerged in water. The latter proved the favorite: plant developed multiple crowns, growing luxurious. Plant in lower humidity has many brown areas on leaves. Plant grown as advised not as big or as many new crowns, but OK. I am going to attempt it this summer as the spathes (bareroot in water). P.S. Petra, it was a (former?) Columbus Ohio woman who developed the kit, so they were marketed heavily in this area, "native woman makes good". >From: "Petra Schmidt" >Reply-To: aroid-l@mobot.org >To: Multiple recipients of list AROID-L >Subject: aquatic spathiphyllum >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:58:07 -0500 (CDT) > >Hey Ron...there was a craze here in the USA, well, maybe just the Midwest, >with spathiphyllum plants being grown in huge glass jars...the kits were >sold by Walmart and included colored marbles for the jar, a beta fish and a >spathiphyllum...the roots of the spath grew down into the jar, kept the >fish >fed and happy and the plant happy...these "arrangements" were seen in >dental >offices, doctor's offices, bank lobbies, restaurants, and anywhere else you >could imagine; those who had one, loved them... >I have seen spaths offered in the water garden areas in garden >centers/nurseries and have seen them growing pretty much as emergent >aquatics. >Petra > > > _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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