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  ZZ Plant
From: "Plantsman" plantsman at prodigy.net> on 2002.09.05 at 18:51:18(9344)
I bought this unusual looking succulent-like plant on a lark
while visiting my area Home Depot several months ago. I'd never
run across anything like this before and not knowing anything
about it, brought it home and thus far and have managed not to
kill it. It was unidentified outside of a "Tropical Foliage"
tag on the 8" pot and was $7.99. Last week at our new Super
Wal-Mart, I was surprised to see it again and noted that they
were tagged as a "ZZ Plant". After doing a little research with
that name, I was surprised to find that it was the aroid,
Zamioculcas zamiifolia. It had to be the most un-aroid looking
plant I've seen yet!

Does anyone have any tips on how to successfully grow this
outside of not watering it too much? I've had it outside since
June, where it gets about three to fours hours of direct midday
sun. Do these ever bloom? What is the inflorescence like?
Thanks!

David Sizemore

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From: hermine hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2002.09.05 at 19:47:16(9345)
At 09:51 PM 09/05/2002 -0400, Plantsman wrote:

I bought this unusual looking succulent-like plant on a lark
while visiting my area Home Depot several months ago. I'd never
run across anything like this before and not knowing anything
about it, brought it home and thus far and have managed not to
kill it. It was unidentified outside of a "Tropical Foliage"
tag on the 8" pot and was $7.99. Last week at our new Super
Wal-Mart, I was surprised to see it again and noted that they
were tagged as a "ZZ Plant".

A most WONDERFUL plant. and! you can remove individual leaves and root them
and they form little things which look like bulbils even if that is NOT
what they are really called, and they root and make more plants!

I am trying to think about watering, what do i do, i keep this in an open
textured mix and water it freely. but it is capable of storing water if
asked to do so.

For a moment i thought you had nabbed the fabulously rare Zazu Pitts plant.

hermine

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From: "Petra Schmidt" petra at plantdelights.com> on 2002.09.06 at 09:30:34(9351)
Yes, this one is an odd aroid...I've used it in propagation class to
demonstrate leaf cuttings; they form bulbs very easily. I did see that
Zamioculcas zamiifolia made it onto the Top 10 Foliage Plants List
(Florida); nice glossy leaves, nice overall form...and I've seen it at
"better" garden centers for about $50 (8" pot) so your KMart/Home Depot find
was a bargain...
Petra

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From: Plantbob at aol.com on 2002.09.06 at 13:28:58(9354)
Hi,
I do the ordering for all of the tropical plants for the Home Depot
greenhouse in Upper Darby, Pa. I have been ordering the ZZ plant for about 6
month now in 10" pots. They sell for $12.96 and do sell fast. When we first
received them as 'assorted foliage', I had to call the growers in Florida.
Even they had doubts as to what it was. After talking to the "hort guy" (in
charge of growing) at the grower, I was able to obtain the real name,
Zamioculcas zamiifolia. He stated that the growth habit is shade and let the
soil dry before watering. I know the foliage growers in Fl. have giant shade
houses, so I assume that is where they would grow the ZZ. It would be nice
to hear from one of the Fl. commercial foliage growers for their comment.
Bob K

From: Piabinha at aol.com on 2002.09.06 at 20:35:17(9359)
In a message dated 9/6/2002 3:20:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
petra@plantdelights.com writes:

> Yes, this one is an odd aroid...I've used it in propagation class to

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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2002.09.07 at 06:56:58(9361)
Others have given tips on how to grow this interesting aroid sucessfully.
I have seen it bloom here in Florida, the smallish and rather inconspicous
blooms are borne on short peduncles at the base of the plant, or maybe they
curve downwards towards the soil, I do not recall which, the cream-colored
thick-textured spathes ar angled toward the ground, almost like an
invitation for crawling insects (ants, beetles???) to crawl up like a ramp!
It certainly is an interesting plant. It probably occurs in several forms
as it is widespread in S.E. Africa in a fairly narrow 'band' from North to
South.

Julius

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From: "denis at skg.com" denisskg at bellsouth.net> on 2002.09.08 at 12:12:22(9365)
Dear Bob & Aroiders:

Although this ZZ plant has been around a long time it wasn't till recent
that it was being grown commercially. It has proven itself to be a durable
and shade & drought tolerant... Nice plant, easy to propagate but slow to
grow. Many tropical

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From: Plantbob at aol.com on 2002.09.08 at 19:32:14(9367)
Denis,

Thanks for the ZZ info. I remember these plants being delivered in 10" pots
and they were DOUBLE SLEEVED. You are correct, a few leaves were broken
after unsleeving. If only people knew how many times a plant gets handled
before it arrives here in the Northeast, they would be shocked. In the end,
the ZZ is different from the 'run of the mill' tropical plant and people are
looking for the odd item. Bob K

From: "Harry Witmore" harrywitmore at witmore.net> on 2002.09.09 at 16:30:57(9371)
Well, are there any other species of this genus grown or is this the only
one known?

Harry Witmore

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From: hermine hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2002.09.09 at 18:27:46(9372)
At 07:30 PM 09/09/2002 -0400, you wrote:

Well, are there any other species of this genus grown or is this the only
one known?

I believe there is one other with a slightly different leaf shape, but it
is not VERY different and i am not certain it really ought to be a separate
species!

hermine

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From: Krzysztof Kozminski kk at kozminski.com> on 2002.09.09 at 22:11:27(9373)
On Sunday, September 8, 2002, at 12:12 PM, denis@skg.com wrote:

Dear Bob & Aroiders:

Although this ZZ plant has been around a long time it wasn't till
recent

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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2002.09.10 at 02:30:30(9374)
Nope---only one species known in this genus.

Julius

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From: araceae at earthlink.net on 2002.09.10 at 15:09:10(9380)
Sorry to disagree, Julius... There are at least two... I have two.
One is quite a bit smaller than the 'Regular' one... Last year,
after a presentation at the IAS, I discussed this with Peter Boyce
and he told me this amazing story....

Seems that the monograph for this plant was written by studying a
painting that is at Kew. Guess what, the painting is of the smaller
plant... not the one that we know as ZZ.... So, to get the
Taxonomists going... The ZZ plant that we grow ISN'T!!! The smaller
one is!!! And, the one that we are calling ZZ is actually Z sp. To
add some wood to the fire... It is also suspected that there are
other species in the wild that have not been found as yet....

Do you think the Taxonomists will ever get their 'stuff' together?
Dewey

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From: "Julius Boos" ju-bo at msn.com> on 2002.09.11 at 03:08:00(9381)
Great that you have this information to share with us, Dewey! I took my
info. (that there was but one species) directly from the best available
source, The Genera of Araceae, Peter Boyce is one of the authors, but the
book was most probably published before the mix up w/ the type and the
second larger species was discovered! This is the nice thing (to me
anyway!) about taxonomy and research, there is always more to be learned!
This is yet another example of the role us hobbyists plany in research, lots
of the important informatuion about these plants comes from just mere
growers like you and I !!! With our help the taxonomists will be in
good shape in 100 years! :--)
It is good that this second species (in fact the type species) and the
common second sp. is grown by you, and is available to those who would like
to purchase a plant!! I will be checking it out soon! Be well.

Sincerely,

Julius

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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid" hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2002.09.11 at 06:47:21(9384)
Sorry to disturb your euphoria peoples, but we have the small one in Leiden
as well and it has no other relevant differences from the big one, not one
single detail in the flowers differs etc. Conclusion: one and the same
species in all probability. I discussed this thing with Peter several times
and we alwys concluded that it is probably just variation, as is the trade
with organisms under the influence of evolutionary forces.

As for my shape...........hmmmm, could do better.......

Wilbert

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