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  Ebay titanum
From: "Bryant, Susan L." <SLBryant at scj.com> on 2004.02.04 at 10:16:08(11064)
There is an Amorphophallus titanum for sale on ebay-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item#77058533&categoryB207
&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1

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From: "Alan Galloway" <alan_galloway at ncsu.edu> on 2004.02.04 at 11:29:28(11065)
Susan,
I agree with you the Amorph pictured on the ebay site is definitely
Am. konjac. Whoever wins the bidding is going to be sadly disappointed.

Alan

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From: mburack at mindspring.com on 1969.12.31 at 16:00:00(11066)
Susan- You are correct. It isnt titanum at all.... I also agree.. it looks like konjac.

There is currently a $55 bid. I feel bad for the person who ultimately pays $55+ for a golf ball sized konjac.

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From: "Michael Marcotrigiano" <mmarcotr at email.smith.edu> on 2004.02.04 at 11:36:05(11067)
You did the right thing since the buyer may find out too late and give
the seller a bad rating. So if you like the seller you did the right
thing. I don't think there is a way of stopping the seller from doing
anything. The worse thing they get is a bad ebay rating. If they don't
change the name, it is buyer beware isn't it. Ebay is not your most
reliable source of plant experts. I actually did what you did with
someone else selling variegated African violets as "chimeras" which they
are not and got the most abusive email back I have ever read, so be
prepared.

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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid (prive)" <hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2004.02.04 at 12:03:11(11068)
It's Am. konjac. Don't spend money on that weed!! (did I just say
"weed"????)

Lord P.

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From: Al Wootten <awootten at nrao.edu> on 2004.02.04 at 12:07:42(11069)
I was amused by the comment:

With temptertures on the rise, now is the time to start planting!

more appropriate for konjac surely than titanum.

Al

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From: "Michael Marcotrigiano" <mmarcotr at email.smith.edu> on 2004.02.04 at 12:41:26(11070)
I sent the top bidder a note saying he should email the seller and or
ebay before gets ripped off - but the other bidders will outbid him and
I don't have the time to email them all. Let's hope the seller becomes
ethical before its all over.

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From: "plantsman" <plantsman at prodigy.net> on 2004.02.04 at 12:45:49(11071)
It looks like the seller is a newbie that has mostly only bought items on
eBay. They have only a (7) feedback. I have also written to the seller
advising them of their error and asking for provenance of their original
plant. They stated that it was from stock that had been in the US for over
thirty years. Can anyone recall when the first flowering was in the US? I
didn't think A. titanum had ever produced offsets and propagation was from
seeds.

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From: "Bryant, Susan L." <SLBryant at scj.com> on 2004.02.04 at 12:59:07(11072)
There is a way. I collect a type of pottery, and I've seen auctions pulled
because someone claims, or even mentions their object might be that "name"
pottery.
I went to http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/counterfeit.html to report a
counterfeit object (I figure I gave the seller 24 hours to pull the sale)but
the link states "my computer doesn't accept cookies" (which isn't true, I
LOVE cookies, and so does my computer, you can tell by the keyboard). Oh
well, I tried!
The seller may actually think it is titanum, I suppose. I pity the poor
buyer.

Susan

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From: hermine <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 2004.02.04 at 13:22:51(11074)
The seller may actually think it is titanum, I suppose. I pity the poor
buyer.
Susan

I sometimes write to the sellers of native american jewelry and tell them
what their piece REALLY is, instead of what they may think it is. i have my
handbooks at the ready, and quote things to them about the hallmarks of the
maker and so forth.

SO FAR, i have gotten a thank you. i expect one day to be told to mind my
own, but, i would at first TRY TO EDUCATE THE SELLER.

herm

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From: StroWi at t-online.de on 2004.02.04 at 13:42:59(11075)
Hi Amorphophiles,

what do you think about the titanum that was sold via ebay Germany a
few days ago?

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From: "W. George Schmid" <hostahill at bellsouth.net> on 2004.02.04 at 14:46:02(11076)
The first flowering of A. titanum was 8 June 1937 at NYBG. George

W. George Schmid

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From: "Bobby McGehe" <bobbymcgehe at bellsouth.net> on 2004.02.04 at 15:01:52(11077)
I am having difficulty reading the description, but the pictures are
Titanum. Bobby
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From: Don Martinson <llmen at wi.rr.com> on 2004.02.04 at 15:21:27(11078)
There is an Amorphophallus titanum for sale on ebay-
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item#77058533&categoryB207&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AIT&rd=1
It sure looks like a konjac to me. I contacted the seller but no reply....
am I off-base??
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From: "plantsman" <plantsman at prodigy.net> on 2004.02.04 at 17:03:05(11080)
I notified the seller of the error and he sent me the following response:

"Yes, it appears I was sold the wrong plant from my supplier. I am not going
to sell this as a titanum. The winner of the auction will be informed of the
mistake and will not be charged in any way. Sorry for your inconvenience."
Jason S****

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From: "Michael Marcotrigiano" <mmarcotr at email.smith.edu> on 2004.02.05 at 05:23:48(11083)
I don't think that leaf looks like titanum. It is very dissected?

_______________________________

Michael Marcotrigiano, Ph.D

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From: Rand Nicholson <writserv at nbnet.nb.ca> on 2004.02.05 at 06:46:35(11085)
The seller on Ebay ended the listing "early" because of an "error in the listing". Susan, and perhaps others, may have done a good thing in persuading the seller to reconsider his/her offering.

Rand

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From: "Susan Cooper" <coops at execpc.com> on 2004.02.05 at 10:08:33(11087)
Did you buy it Berhard?
Although I can't see the picture of the plant well, I would guess it is
NOT. Titanums usually have such bright green petioles you can spot
them right off. I may be wrong, of course!
I haven't grown titanums very successfully, but my 2nd and third leaves
that come up are usually in the middle of the pot and not around the
edges. Also, the tuber looks like it might have an offset coming off
the right side.? Hard to tell.
It is too hard to ID from leaf, but I had a koratensis that looked like
that once...
Susan
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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid (prive)" <hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2004.02.06 at 07:51:29(11095)
WOW! It's time I started selling my colony...............

Lord P.

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----

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From: StroWi at t-online.de (StroWi) on 2004.02.06 at 14:10:00(11099)
Bobby,
thanks for your reply!

But frankly, I had my doubts, that the pic showing the plant in it's vegetative state is a titanum.
Where do the small leaves near the big petilole come from? Offsets in A. titanum?
It is really a pitty that the pattern of the big petiole is not clear enough. That should clear the question, if it was a titanum or just a konjak.

Good growing, of titanum and other Amopho-weed....

Bernhard.

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From: StroWi at t-online.de (StroWi) on 2004.02.06 at 14:18:00(11101)
Michael,

I share your doubt about the leaf.
Not only regarding the dissection, but also that the leaf sections seem to be very pointed and not so round as I know it from other titanum pictures.

I thought that The Lord P. would comment on this, too, but from his reply, I guess he has $$ sign in hids eyes, maybe too big to see sharp enough ;-)
..........(I already see him hiting his keyboard writing a reply...LOL

Good growing,
Bernhard.

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From: StroWi at t-online.de (StroWi) on 2004.02.06 at 14:28:00(11102)
Hi Susan,

no, no, I did NOT buy it.... for the space I have in my home I have more than enough titanums.

Mine never send up an additional leaf at the edge of the pot, too.
( Just some funny leaflet close to the petiole about which I still have to send an update to the aroid-L)
That's why I asked to look for the small leaves on the picture and for me the petiole is to dark, too.

But maybe/hopefully we are wrong in our scepticism and the winner of the auction has got a nice titanum.

Good growing,
Bernhard.

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From: pascal vieu <p_vieu at yahoo.fr> on 2004.02.06 at 15:56:24(11105)
Actually, this one looks almost exactly like the A titanum which are in the
CBN Brest, but I am not an expert, and without the petiole it is not easy
to be definitive.
These Amorpho seem to be able to produce many offsets (but don't grow much
in size) if planted in cold and heavy soil, and only a few ones in pot and
in peat-based soil.

Pascal Vieu

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From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid (prive)" <hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2004.02.07 at 20:11:47(11111)
I thought I had already written to you Amorpho-groupies that it is konjac.
But maybe that was to a private person who wanted to bid on the thing. So
here it is:

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