A. titanum on eBay

From: "Alex Burgess" <alexcburgess at hotmail.com> on 2004.03.20 at 11:29:25(11308) Hi! I am very new to this list. I noticed this item on eBay (per attached photo) and just read your recent thread about another such auction where the plant was actually A. Konjac. Is this another mistaken identity case or are the plants in the picture too young to tell? Hope it is right because I bought it! I am not expert on amorphophallus. Should I just grow it for six to ten years with my fingers crossed? Any advice appreciated and thanks kindly...Alex

From: "Alex Burgess" <alexcburgess at hotmail.com> on 2004.03.20 at 20:56:51(11309) Hi all! Me again. Here is the eBay link that shows the photo: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item#88581827&category%463&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 Alex

From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid (prive)" <hetter at worldonline.nl> on 2004.03.20 at 21:16:29(11310) They look as if they could be titanums but they are whimpy specimens! Normally seedlings of titanum have straight petioles with broad leaflets from the start. These look unhealthy with deformed leaflets and petioles. It might mean that they are not real titanums but it is not really visible from the picture. I'd be careful not to pay too much for a possible disappointment. Cheerio, Wilbert +More > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu > [mailto:aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu]Namens Alex Burgess > Verzonden: zaterdag 20 maart 2004 21:57 > Aan: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu > Onderwerp: Re: [aroid-l] A. titanum on eBay > > > Hi all! Me again. Here is the eBay link that shows the photo: > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item#88581827& > category%463&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 > > Alex > >

From: "danny wilson" <mudwasp_ at hotmail.com> on 2004.03.20 at 22:53:11(11311) They might have no gotten enough water, fertilizer, warmth or light when they sprouted. I pissed off one of my konjacs last year and it looked somewhat like that. I gave it what it neaded later on in its growth and it perked up a bit. They look like titanum to me.-Danny Wilson >From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid (prive)" >Reply-To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu +More >To: >Subject: Re: [aroid-l] A. titanum on eBay >Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:16:29 +0100 > >They look as if they could be titanums but they are whimpy specimens! >Normally seedlings of titanum have straight petioles with broad leaflets >from the start. These look unhealthy with deformed leaflets and petioles. It >might mean that they are not real titanums but it is not really visible from >the picture. I'd be careful not to pay too much for a possible >disappointment. > >Cheerio, >Wilbert > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > Van: aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu > > [mailto:aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu]Namens Alex Burgess > > Verzonden: zaterdag 20 maart 2004 21:57 > > Aan: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu > > Onderwerp: Re: [aroid-l] A. titanum on eBay > > > > > > Hi all! Me again. Here is the eBay link that shows the photo: > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item#88581827& > > category%463&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWN%3AIT&rd=1 > > > > Alex > > > > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar ? get it now!

From: "Alex Burgess" <alexcburgess at hotmail.com> on 2004.03.20 at 23:06:22(11312) Thank you very much! FWIW the seller, one Alasdair Macleod, a.k.a. Gothiclion1, claims "These leaflefts have been grown from bulbs and are therefore more hardy than those grown from tissue culture." From what I have read of previous threads, you are the expert on this subject, so I will trust your view. I already paid $40, which seems quite a bit less than others have asked for the titanum (and is why I purchased) although it could be high for a more common type. I can't back out of the transaction, so I will try to grow the amorphophallus, with fingers and now toes crossed, and later I should be able to show a better picture of a more mature plant. The plant has not yet arrived.... Thank you again, Alex +More They look as if they could be titanums but they are whimpy specimens! Normally seedlings of titanum have straight petioles with broad leaflets from the start. These look unhealthy with deformed leaflets and petioles. It might mean that they are not real titanums but it is not really visible from the picture. I'd be careful not to pay too much for a possible disappointment. Cheerio, Wilbert

From: "danny wilson" <mudwasp_ at hotmail.com> on 2004.03.21 at 06:03:39(11316) It is indeed quite a bit less. I paid $200. for mine...... My titanum grows pretty easily, i grow it in my bedroom, so dont worry too much!-Danny Wilson >From: "Alex Burgess" >Reply-To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu +More >To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu >Subject: Re: [aroid-l] A. titanum on eBay >Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:06:22 -1000 > >Thank you very much! > >FWIW the seller, one Alasdair Macleod, a.k.a. Gothiclion1, claims >"These leaflefts have been grown from bulbs and are therefore more >hardy than those grown from tissue culture." From what I have read >of previous threads, you are the expert on this subject, so I will >trust your view. I already paid $40, which seems quite a bit less >than others have asked for the titanum (and is why I purchased) >although it could be high for a more common type. I can't back out >of the transaction, so I will try to grow the amorphophallus, with >fingers and now toes crossed, and later I should be able to show a >better picture of a more mature plant. The plant has not yet >arrived.... > >Thank you again, > >Alex > >>From: "Wilbert Hetterscheid (prive)" >> >>They look as if they could be titanums but they are whimpy >>specimens! >>Normally seedlings of titanum have straight petioles with broad >>leaflets >>from the start. These look unhealthy with deformed leaflets and >>petioles. It >>might mean that they are not real titanums but it is not really >>visible from >>the picture. I'd be careful not to pay too much for a possible >>disappointment. >> >>Cheerio, >>Wilbert > > Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee ® Security.

From: "plantsman" <plantsman at prodigy.net> on 2004.03.21 at 06:32:39(11317) I think I would asking the provenance of the seeds these were grown from before I'd pay anything. There's not been many of them available in recent years to those outside of select botanical institutions. David Sizemore +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [aroid-l] A. titanum on eBay > Thank you very much! > > FWIW the seller, one Alasdair Macleod, a.k.a. Gothiclion1, claims "These > leaflefts have been grown from bulbs and are therefore more hardy than those > grown from tissue culture." From what I have read of previous threads, you > are the expert on this subject, so I will trust your view. I already paid > $40, which seems quite a bit less than others have asked for the titanum > (and is why I purchased) although it could be high for a more common type. > I can't back out of the transaction, so I will try to grow the > amorphophallus, with fingers and now toes crossed, and later I should be > able to show a better picture of a more mature plant. The plant has not yet > arrived.... > > Thank you again, > > Alex >

From: "Tropical Plant Resource" <Tropicals at SolutionsAnalysis.net> on 2004.03.21 at 12:33:12(11318) Hello Alex. The A. titanum we purchased last year, viewed in person, had a similar wimpy appearance; they were tissue cultured. Healthy, strong appearance one day and "permanently" dormant the next; that was approximately 6 months later. No bulb developed. It is stated yours was grown from a bulb, you have a gtreater chance at success. GOOD LUCK...Christian +More -----Original Message----- Behalf Of Alex Burgess Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:29 AM To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu Subject: [aroid-l] A. titanum on eBay Hi! I am very new to this list. I noticed this item on eBay (per attached photo) and just read your recent thread about another such auction where the plant was actually A. Konjac. Is this another mistaken identity case or are the plants in the picture too young to tell? Hope it is right because I bought it! I am not expert on amorphophallus. Should I just grow it for six to ten years with my fingers crossed? Any advice appreciated and thanks kindly...Alex

From: Tony Avent <tony at plantdelights.com> on 2004.03.21 at 17:27:08(11319) Aroiders: There has been quite a bit of mis-information recently about Amorphophallus titanum propagation. First, there is no difference in the quality of resulant plants whether the plants are propagated from tissue culture, leaf cuttings, or seed. Second, it does matter how well and how large the plants have been grown since propagation. Third, tissue culture has only been successful on a very limited basis and will probably never be done enough to get the price down to what most people consider reasonable. Weaning plants from tissue culture can be very difficult and can easily result in the loss of an entire crop. Most of the top commercial tissue culture labs in America have tried this crop and ten years later only a few hundred plants have ever reached the public. We have grown plants from all three methods and find that once the plants reach 8-12" in height, they are fine to sell. At this size, our loss rate is zero. Below this size the bulb is virtually non-existant, then stem is limp, and plant can be easily killed with even the slightest of improper care...usually overwatering. I hope this helps. +More At 07:33 AM 3/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Alex. The A. titanum we purchased last year, viewed in person, had a >similar wimpy appearance; they were tissue cultured. Healthy, strong >appearance one day and "permanently" dormant the next; that was >approximately 6 months later. No bulb developed. > >It is stated yours was grown from a bulb, you have a gtreater chance at >success. GOOD LUCK...Christian > > >-----Original Message----- >From: aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On >Behalf Of Alex Burgess >Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:29 AM >To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu >Subject: [aroid-l] A. titanum on eBay > >Hi! I am very new to this list. I noticed this item on eBay (per attached >photo) and just read your recent thread about another such auction where the > >plant was actually A. Konjac. Is this another mistaken identity case or are > >the plants in the picture too young to tell? Hope it is right because I >bought it! I am not expert on amorphophallus. Should I just grow it for >six to ten years with my fingers crossed? Any advice appreciated and thanks > >kindly...Alex > > > Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, NC 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdel.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent

From: "Tropical Plant Resource" <Tropicals at SolutionsAnalysis.net> on 2004.03.21 at 19:07:32(11320) Thank you Tony; yes your information was quite valuable...Christian -----Original Message----- Behalf Of Tony Avent +More Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 12:27 PM To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: [aroid-l] A. titanum on eBay Aroiders: There has been quite a bit of mis-information recently about Amorphophallus titanum propagation. First, there is no difference in the quality of resulant plants whether the plants are propagated from tissue culture, leaf cuttings, or seed. Second, it does matter how well and how large the plants have been grown since propagation. Third, tissue culture has only been successful on a very limited basis and will probably never be done enough to get the price down to what most people consider reasonable. Weaning plants from tissue culture can be very difficult and can easily result in the loss of an entire crop. Most of the top commercial tissue culture labs in America have tried this crop and ten years later only a few hundred plants have ever reached the public. We have grown plants from all three methods and find that once the plants reach 8-12" in height, they are fine to sell. At this size, our loss rate is zero. Below this size the bulb is virtually non-existant, then stem is limp, and plant can be easily killed with even the slightest of improper care...usually overwatering. I hope this helps. At 07:33 AM 3/21/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hello Alex. The A. titanum we purchased last year, viewed in person, had a >similar wimpy appearance; they were tissue cultured. Healthy, strong >appearance one day and "permanently" dormant the next; that was >approximately 6 months later. No bulb developed. > >It is stated yours was grown from a bulb, you have a gtreater chance at >success. GOOD LUCK...Christian > > >-----Original Message----- >From: aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu [mailto:aroid-l-owner@lists.ncsu.edu] On >Behalf Of Alex Burgess >Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 6:29 AM >To: aroid-l@lists.ncsu.edu >Subject: [aroid-l] A. titanum on eBay > >Hi! I am very new to this list. I noticed this item on eBay (per attached >photo) and just read your recent thread about another such auction where the > >plant was actually A. Konjac. Is this another mistaken identity case or are > >the plants in the picture too young to tell? Hope it is right because I >bought it! I am not expert on amorphophallus. Should I just grow it for >six to ten years with my fingers crossed? Any advice appreciated and thanks > >kindly...Alex > > > Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, NC 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony@plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdel.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent

From: "Bryant, Susan L." <SLBryant at scj.com> on 2004.03.22 at 12:58:58(11321) They look like tissue culture plants to me too- Susan

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