Arum italicum ID

From: "plantsman" <plantsman at prodigy.net> on 2004.08.29 at 22:13:47(12102) For several years, I've been growing several varieties of what were sold to me as Arum italicum. I've got a group of the small variegated leaved variety that were sold as A. italicum 'Pictum' that I know is now a subspecies. I've also got several others that were just called A. italicum in another group. These are much larger plants, with very large triangular hastate leaves and get at least two feet tall. I seem to recall that their large corms were rather long and narrow when planted. Some of them have all green leaves and others have silver areas. I've also noticed a variation among the spathes, although I've not kept up with which color leaf had which spathe. Some are a pale green, others have a definite purple interior and others just a light flush of purple down deep. Are these all A. italicum or possible different species? I've had a devil of a time finding pictures of any of this family. I've just harvested the seed heads from all of these and contemplating what to do with them. Thanks! David Sizemore +More Kingsport, TN (Zone 6a) _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "danny wilson" <mudwasp_ at hotmail.com> on 2004.08.30 at 06:15:06(12109) sounds like they are all A. italicum. i have a somewhat large clump in my backyard with all of the variants you dscribed, adn then some! >From: "plantsman" >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids +More >To: "Aroid-L" >Subject: [Aroid-l] Arum italicum ID >Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:13:47 -0400 > >For several years, I've been growing several varieties of what were sold to >me as Arum italicum. I've got a group of the small variegated leaved >variety that were sold as A. italicum 'Pictum' that I know is now a >subspecies. I've also got several others that were just called A. italicum >in another group. These are much larger plants, with very large triangular >hastate leaves and get at least two feet tall. I seem to recall that their >large corms were rather long and narrow when planted. Some of them have all >green leaves and others have silver areas. I've also noticed a variation >among the spathes, although I've not kept up with which color leaf had which >spathe. Some are a pale green, others have a definite purple interior and >others just a light flush of purple down deep. Are these all A. italicum or >possible different species? I've had a devil of a time finding pictures of >any of this family. I've just harvested the seed heads from all of these >and contemplating what to do with them. Thanks! > >David Sizemore >Kingsport, TN (Zone 6a) > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-l mailing list >Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Steve Ritchey" <sritchey at shreve.net> on 2004.08.30 at 16:37:00(12121) I've often wondered if 'Pictum' might have originally been used for a clone of italicum that really was splashed instead of veined. If so, it isn't anymore and is considered synonomous with Marmoratum ( at least in commerce ) and should probably be dropped to avoid confusion with the species Arum pictum. A. pictum is much smaller, only growing 8" tall here in the deep south. Its leaves really are 'pictumized', but with purple instead of silver or yellow. The entire inside of the spathe is dark purple, spadix dark brown. I have plain leaved italicums with both solid pale yellow spathes and ones that are purple only at the base.There are probably a lot more variations than this. Seedlings from Pictum/ Marmoratum are highly variable, so you might enjoy growing them and making your own selection.:-) I don't have enough mild cool weather for them to ever become rampant as they do in the PNW, so no need to warn me about how 'invasive' they can be :-) +More I have plain leaved italicums that are both ----- Original Message ----- To: "Aroid-L" Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 5:13 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Arum italicum ID > For several years, I've been growing several varieties of what were sold to > me as Arum italicum. I've got a group of the small variegated leaved > variety that were sold as A. italicum 'Pictum' that I know is now a > subspecies. I've also got several others that were just called A. italicum > in another group. These are much larger plants, with very large triangular > hastate leaves and get at least two feet tall. I seem to recall that their > large corms were rather long and narrow when planted. Some of them have all > green leaves and others have silver areas. I've also noticed a variation > among the spathes, although I've not kept up with which color leaf had which > spathe. Some are a pale green, others have a definite purple interior and > others just a light flush of purple down deep. Are these all A. italicum or > possible different species? I've had a devil of a time finding pictures of > any of this family. I've just harvested the seed heads from all of these > and contemplating what to do with them. Thanks! > > David Sizemore > Kingsport, TN (Zone 6a) > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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