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amorphophallus campanulatus and arum campanulatum
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From: Palaniappa at aol.com on 1997.07.24 at 12:47:46(988)
Dear list members,
I am not a botanist. I would very much appreciate if you can tell me or guide
me to any text or graphic descriptions (preferred) of amorphophallus
campanulatus and arum campanulatum on the internet. Are the two different? I
would like to know, for instance,
1. if they grow in Indus Valley or Punjab region of Pakistan/India or
northeast Afghanistan
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2. if they grow in South India
3. their height
4. diameter of their stem
5. how many leaves/branches it develops at the top
6. how the tuber looks and how big it gets to be
7. the etymology of the names amorphophallus campanulatus and arum
campanulatum
8. if it is used in any rituals by people
Thank you very much in advance.
Regards.
S. Palaniappan
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From: "NAME \"Wilbert Hetterscheid\"" <W.HETTER at pbga.agro.nl> on 1997.07.24 at 14:21:18(989)
About Amorphophallus campanulatus etc.
Both names refer to the same plant, of which the proper name is
Amorphophallus paeoniifolius:
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>1. if they grow in Indus Valley or Punjab region of Pakistan/India or
>northeast Afghanistan
Most probably yes; they are introduced all over the warmer parts of
India as food crop and escaped from there.
>2. if they grow in South India
Yes.
>3. their height
Leaf up to 2 meter high, inflorescence to 70 cm.
>4. diameter of their stem
Petiole to 20 cm in diam.
>5. how many leaves/branches it develops at the top
One or two leaves on a tuber: numerous leaflets per lamina
>6. how the tuber looks and how big it gets to be
Depressed globose; dark brown, with conspicuous annular root scars and
several fusiform offsets; weighing to some 25 K.
>7. the etymology of the names amorphophallus campanulatus and arum
>campanulatum
"campanulatus" = bell-shaped, referring to the shape of the spathe.
Paeoniifolius = "with a Paeonia like leaf"
>8. if it is used in any rituals by people
Mostly food. In the Fiji Islands criminals may be forced to take a
bite from a fresh tuber. Rather cruel ritual.
>Regards.
>S. Palaniappan
Regards too,
Wilbert Hetterscheid (w.hetter@pbga.agro.nl)
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From: Palaniappa at aol.com on 1997.07.24 at 15:33:24(990)
In a message dated 97-07-24 10:15:22 EDT, W.HETTER@pbga.agro.nl (NAME
"Wilbert Hetterscheid") writes:
> >7. the etymology of the names amorphophallus campanulatus and arum
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> >campanulatum
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> "campanulatus" = bell-shaped, referring to the shape of the spathe.
> Paeoniifolius = "with a Paeonia like leaf"
>
Thanks very much for the information. Could you also explain the etymology of
the terms amorphophallus and arum?
Thanks in advance.
With regards
S. Palaniappan
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 1997.07.24 at 18:31:41(991)
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Sent: Thursday, July 24, 1997 8:47 AM
To: Julius Boos
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Subject: amorphophallus campanulatus and arum campanulatum
>>Dear list members,
I am not a botanist. I would very much appreciate if you can tell me or guide
me to any text or graphic descriptions (preferred) of amorphophallus
campanulatus and arum campanulatum on the internet. Are the two different? I
would like to know, for instance,
1. if they grow in Indus Valley or Punjab region of Pakistan/India or
northeast Afghanistan
2. if they grow in South India
3. their height
4. diameter of their stem
5. how many leaves/branches it develops at the top
6. how the tuber looks and how big it gets to be
7. the etymology of the names amorphophallus campanulatus and arum
campanulatum
8. if it is used in any rituals by people
Thank you very much in advance.
Regards.
S. Palaniappan<<
Dear Mr Palaniappan,
Dr Hetterscheid has answered most of your querries re: A. paeoniifolius; I can
add just one or two items that may be of interest to you . In Trinidad, West
Indies, the E.Indian immigrants, who began arriving in 1845, transfered the
local name in India for A. paeoniifolius (which is "suran") to a Neotropical
Aroid,Dracontium asperum, which bears a resemblance to Amorphophallus, and
which is also used as food. Medicinal uses by the E. indians for Dracontium,
which were probably transfered to Dracontium from Amorphophallus, are:--the
tuber is ground and used to alleviate asthma. It is mixed with yogurt and
drunk as a treatment for piles, and to reduce fever.
I hope the above assists you. I`d be interested in hearing from you as to
what aspect of Amorphallus you are resarching.
If you wish, I could copy some of the older literature on Amorphophallus
paeoniifolius for you. Please let me know.
Sincerely,
Julius Boos ju-bo@msn.com
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From: "NAME \"Wilbert Hetterscheid\"" <W.HETTER at pbga.agro.nl> on 1997.07.24 at 21:07:07(992)
Now should I really start explaining "Amorphophallus"? I've been in
trouble before in this eminent group for using language that wasn't
up to standards. O.k. here goes:
"A morpho phallus": shapeless penis, refers to the shape of the spadix
of the first ever species assigned to this genus, which happens to be
the very Am. paeoniifolius we're discussing.
"Arum": this had something to do with Mozes' brother Aaron, isn't it?
I guess some other aroidellers know more. Bud in people!
Cheers,
Wilbert
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From: Palaniappa at aol.com on 1997.07.25 at 12:51:23(993)
Dear list members,
Dr. Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote the following.
"A morpho phallus": shapeless penis, refers to the shape of the spadix
of the first ever species assigned to this genus, which happens to be
the very Am. paeoniifolius we're discussing.
This is what I had suspected. You have no idea how far you have contributed
to the history of religion.
I need to know if just before the flower and leaves open out, there will be
three extremities at the top of the plant, one each for the leaves, and one
for the flower.
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But I do need to cite a reference to the facts mentioned in these postings.
Can somebody provide such a reference from a text or at least name,
affiliation, etc of the person who can be quoted? Thanks.
Regards
S. Palaniappan
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From: "Carlo A. Balistrieri" <cabalist at facstaff.wisc.edu> on 1997.07.26 at 00:17:14(999)
>"Arum": this had something to do with Mozes' brother Aaron, isn't it?
> I guess some other aroidellers know more. Bud in people!
Stearn says it's from the Greek "aron" for the poisonous (?) plants related
to Arisaema.
Carlo
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Carlo A. Balistrieri, J.D. Email: CABalist@facstaff.wisc.edu
P.O. Box 327
Ashippun, WI 53003-0327
U.S.A.
Voice: 414.569.1902 Telefax: same number, please call ahead.
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From: MJ Hatfield <oneota at ames.net> on 1997.07.26 at 02:44:56(1000)
>S. Palaniappan says "You have no idea how far you have contributed
>to the history of religion."
Please explain.
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Thanks.
MJ Hatfield
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 1997.07.29 at 12:47:31(1001)
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Sent: Friday, July 25, 1997 8:17 PM
To: Julius Boos
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Subject: Re: amorphophallus campanulatus and arum campanulatum
>"Arum": this had something to do with Mozes' brother Aaron, isn't it?
> I guess some other aroidellers know more. Bud in people!
>>Stearn says it's from the Greek "aron" for the poisonous (?) plants related
to Arisaema.
Carlo
Carlo A. Balistrieri, J.D. Email: CABalist@facstaff.wisc.edu
P.O. Box 327
Ashippun, WI 53003-0327
U.S.A.
Voice: 414.569.1902 Telefax: same number, please call ahead.<<
In reguards to the above, Dan Nicolson says "Arum -- Linnaeus (n.): Latin
form of a classical Greek name, aron. (Aroideana Vol. 10, No.3, Oct. 1987,
"Derivation of Ariod Generic Names", pg.15.)
Peter Boyce suggests looking at "Prime, C. T. (1960). Lords and ladies.
Collins, London.", as he says-- "Numerous theories have been put forward as to
the meaning of the word (Prime, 1960)."
Julius Boos
ju-bo@msn.com
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From: nancy swell <swell at erols.com> on 1997.07.29 at 15:08:01(1003)
>Peter Boyce suggests looking at "Prime, C. T. (1960). Lords and ladies.
>Collins, London.", as he says-- "Numerous theories have been put forward
as to
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>the meaning of the word (Prime, 1960)."
I think Peter was referring to what the "Lords & Ladies" did in their spare
time! The flower being a pretty good indicator.
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From: "Julius Boos" <ju-bo at msn.com> on 1997.07.30 at 15:03:25(1005)
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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 1997 11:08 AM
To: Julius Boos
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Subject: RE: amorphophallus campanulatus and arum campanulatum
>Peter Boyce suggests looking at "Prime, C. T. (1960). Lords and ladies.
>Collins, London.", as he says-- "Numerous theories have been put forward
as to
>the meaning of the word (Prime, 1960)."
>>I think Peter was referring to what the "Lords & Ladies" did in their spare
time! The flower being a pretty good indicator.<<
Dear Nancy,
No, the "Lords and Ladies" name came about (Bown,pg. 70) because the spadix in
some plants was a rich burgundy, the color of Noblemen`s gowns, while the
spadix of other plants was sometimes yellow, the color worn by ladies!
However, there were also MANY names given to this plant group that refered to
what the people "did in their spare time", and not only the people, but their
Priests, and even the family pet, the dog !
Hopefully, D. Bowns book "Aroids, plants of the Arum family" will soon be
available again so that we can all be educated in the common names of this
interesting plant !
Reguards,
Julius
ju-bo@msn.com
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From: Don Burns <burns at mobot.org> on 1997.07.30 at 20:16:43(1006)
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Hello all,
I recently received a very nice Typhonium (?) that originally comes from
Vietnam. Its foliage is beautiful (all silver!) and it tends to be in
bloom constantly....with or without the foliage present. Any
suggestions on what it might be? wilbert..peter..any guesses?
Here is the photo: http://www.premier.net/~chapman/silverty.jpg
I should have a slide of the inflorescence soon. The spadix is about
twice (or more) as long as the spath. The spathe itself is only about 5
cent. long.
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