Sauromatum guttatum culture

From: Kyle Baker kylefletcherbaker at yahoo.com> on 2005.07.02 at 00:53:37(13091) I've two pots of Sauromatum gutatum? for going on 6 years now and though they send up lots of foliage they never bloom...I've allowed them to die back each winter and keep on dry side all winter and then water and feed around may and up they come again...I'm trying to search for proper culture but having no results.... +More then it occured to me to ask the folks that know...lol...th'x for any information kfb-maine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "danny wilson" mudwasp_ at hotmail.com> on 2005.07.02 at 05:57:52(13094) my experience with S. venosum (formerly S guttatum and now typhonium venosum) is taht if you leave them alone, not let them sit in water and not let them freeze they will leave out and bloom. i cant think of a reason that they wouldnt, especially after 6 years...>From: Kyle Baker >Reply-To: Discussion of aroids >To: Discussion of aroids >Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: Sauromatum guttatum culture>Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:53:37 -0700 (PDT)>>I've two pots of Sauromatum gutatum? for going on 6>years now and though they send up lots of foliage>they never bloom...I've allowed them to die back each>winter and keep on dry side all winter and then water>and feed around may and up they come +More again...I'm>trying to search for proper culture but having no>results....>>then it occured to me to ask the folks that>know...lol...th'x for any information>>kfb-maine>>__________________________________________________>Do You Yahoo!?>Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around>http://mail.yahoo.com>_______________________________________________>Aroid-l mailing list>Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com>http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "W. George Schmid" hostahill at bellsouth.net> on 2005.07.02 at 14:00:46(13096) Kyle, What are your min/max temperatures during the growth cycle? - are the pots outdoors or in a greenhouse? Here they grow and bloom like weeds, but it is hot in summer 80-95 deg. F. days 75-80 deg F nights. It might be low temps or a short season. BTW, Sauromatum venosum has been reclassified. It is now Typhonium venosum (Dryand. ex Aiton) Hett. & P.C. Boyce. George +More W. George Schmid Hosta Hill - Tucker Georgia USA Zone 7a - 1188 feet AMSL 84-12'-30" West_33-51' North Outgoing e-mail virus checked by NAV ----- Original Message ----- To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 20:53 Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: Sauromatum guttatum culture I've two pots of Sauromatum gutatum? for going on 6 years now and though they send up lots of foliage they never bloom...I've allowed them to die back each winter and keep on dry side all winter and then water and feed around may and up they come again...I'm trying to search for proper culture but having no results.... then it occured to me to ask the folks that know...lol...th'x for any information kfb-maine __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "W. George Schmid" hostahill at bellsouth.net> on 2005.07.02 at 14:28:30(13097) Kyle, The inflorescence appears here in May,before the leaf comes up. My blooming size plants have leaf stems that reach 48-52 inches and they are full size by the end of June. G. W. George Schmid +More Hosta Hill - Tucker Georgia USA Zone 7a - 1188 feet AMSL 84-12'-30" West_33-51' North Outgoing e-mail virus checked by NAV ----- Original Message ----- To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 20:53 Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: Sauromatum guttatum culture _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Susan Cox" snalice at dslextreme.com> on 2005.07.02 at 20:13:08(13099) >S. venosum (formerly S guttatum and now typhonium venosum)< I have a question about the name of this Aroid. I recall a conversation going about the name of this plant about 5 or so years ago and I thought the name change sequence was just the reverse of mentioned here. I thought originally, this plant was called typhonium venosum, was corrected to Saromatum venosum, then changed to Saromatum guttatum. Did I get this all switched backwards? Which is the correct name? Susan +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Kyle Baker kylefletcherbaker at yahoo.com> on 2005.07.03 at 01:23:53(13105) --- Susan Cox wrote: > >S. venosum (formerly S guttatum and now typhonium > venosum)< All I know is that the nursery that I work for sold it +More as Sauramatum guttatum...so am trying to figure out the dormancy and growing schedule to get it to bloom again..yes they stink when in flower but then I'm into the bizarre and unusual which is why I saved two plants from the compost heap!! I'm in Maine and have to overwinter them indoors and let them go dormant during the winter at 45* and on the dry side..then bring them outside during late spring -summer to get them to grow again.. am feeding them with osmocote to get them going initially watered them with a 4-12-8 fetrilizer and they all but jumped out of their pots Th'x for your post I can't comment on recent changes in nomenclature due to the fact that it changes daily... kfb - maine ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Kyle Baker kylefletcherbaker at yahoo.com> on 2005.07.03 at 01:27:03(13106) Guess I'm gonna have to take a pic and post it to show what I'm growing here..lol... kfb - maine +More __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Kyle Baker kylefletcherbaker at yahoo.com> on 2005.07.03 at 01:31:06(13107) --- "W. George Schmid" wrote: Kyle, What are your min/max temperatures during the +More growth cycle? - are the pots outdoors or in a greenhouse? Here they grow and bloom like weeds, but it is hot in summer 80-95 deg. F. days 75-80 deg F nights. It might be low temps or a short season. BTW, Sauromatum venosum has been reclassified. It is now Typhonium venosum (Dryand. ex Aiton) Hett. & P.C. Boyce. George W. George Schmid > Hosta Hill - Tucker Georgia USA > Zone 7a - 1188 feet AMSL > 84-12'-30" West_33-51' North Hey George..ell their in pots and my zone is 5..-20 at times during winter and up to 90* during summer...their overwintered in the basement 45* - 50* left dry and brought out during spring-summer and fed heavily as I can .. but they never bloom after 5 years...lots of small corms and foliage but no bloom's... kfb-maine ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Walter Greenwood walterg at nauticom.net> on 2005.07.03 at 12:19:41(13113) Kyle, My cultural method is to drop them in the ground and stand back. I am also in zone 5 (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania), with much the same temperature profile, and mine overwinter in the ground just fine and flower quite freely. Having said that, we don't get down into the -15F to -20F very often, certainly not every year. I dig up what I can find and bring them in, but I probably miss more than half of them. I never manage to put every one that I dug up back in - there are just too many of them. Most of mine are on the periphery of a horse manure pile, so they have a supplementary heat source even in the coldest weather, but other plants far away from the manure pile also make it through the winter under a hay mulch. -WG +More Hey George..ell their in pots and my zone is 5..-20 at times during winter and up to 90* during summer...their overwintered in the basement 45* - 50* left dry and brought out during spring-summer and fed heavily as I can .. but they never bloom after 5 years...lots of small corms and foliage but no bloom's... kfb-maine _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Leo A. Martin" leo1010 at attglobal.net> on 2005.07.04 at 15:25:14(13119) Also remember these things are spider mite magnets. I can't keep them alive here in Phoenix since I don't have a wet greenhouse and the highest constant humidity I can manage is about 40% on a good day. By the way, some of the commoner Amorphophallus do just fine here in low humidity in full shade. Leo +More -- Leo A. Martin Phoenix, Arizona, USA Some must watch while some must sleep-so runs the world away. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Deni Bown" deni at yaxhampark.co.uk> on 2005.07.05 at 09:55:16(13121) Greetings to all fans of Typhonium venosum, the aroid with a spathe like leopard skin, a smell like you've trodden in something, and the most elegant exotic-looking foliage for a temperate garden. If it's any help in the discussion, every year my plants bloom, set fruits, and self-seed in both sun and shade in my garden in Norfolk, England, where we have relatively cold wet autumns, winters and springs, from October to April, interspersed with brief periods below freezing - usually no lower than minus 7 C (about 21 F), but hardly an improvement to sodden wet ground. The tubers must therefore be very tolerant of both low temps and wet conditions when dormant. With low temperatures, plants don't usually show signs of life till June - I have some still blooming now in very shady places - but soon make up for lost time. They get biggest in areas that are mulched annually with mushroom compost (i.e. waste from mushroom growing that consists of well-rotted, sterilized straw + horse manure). In other words, it's as tough as old boots, so unless you live in permafrost, swamp, or desert, I would plant it out and see how it does. All the best, Deni Bown +More -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Kyle Baker Sent: 03 July 2005 02:24 To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Re: Sauromatum guttatum culture --- Susan Cox wrote: > >S. venosum (formerly S guttatum and now typhonium > venosum)< All I know is that the nursery that I work for sold it as Sauramatum guttatum...so am trying to figure out the dormancy and growing schedule to get it to bloom again..yes they stink when in flower but then I'm into the bizarre and unusual which is why I saved two plants from the compost heap!! I'm in Maine and have to overwinter them indoors and let them go dormant during the winter at 45* and on the dry side..then bring them outside during late spring -summer to get them to grow again.. am feeding them with osmocote to get them going initially watered them with a 4-12-8 fetrilizer and they all but jumped out of their pots Th'x for your post I can't comment on recent changes in nomenclature due to the fact that it changes daily... kfb - maine ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Kyle Baker kylefletcherbaker at yahoo.com> on 2005.07.05 at 15:09:26(13124) Th'x to all for advice on Sauromatum guttatum culture...I can't leave them in the ground due to the fact that maine has wet clay and I know they will rot as I have no well drained areas..am continuing my research and am actually finding some good info... kfb - maine +More ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Abrimaal Svartvinter" abrimaal at o2.pl> on 2005.07.05 at 16:28:07(13125) When Typhonium venosum grows outdoors, spider mites never attack it. Greets Abrimaal +More ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:25 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: Sauromatum guttatum culture Also remember these things are spider mite magnets. I can't keep them alive here in Phoenix since I don't have a wet greenhouse and the highest constant humidity I can manage is about 40% on a good day. By the way, some of the commoner Amorphophallus do just fine here in low humidity in full shade. Leo -- Leo A. Martin Phoenix, Arizona, USA Some must watch while some must sleep-so runs the world away. Shakespeare _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Baumfarn Webmaster webmaster at baumfarn.at> on 2005.07.05 at 21:45:58(13129) spider mite magnets. At least I'm not alone! :-( (Austria, Vienna) greetings Peter +More --------------------------------------------------------------------------- treeferns & aroids: http://www.baumfarn.at/treefern (http://www.baumfarn.at) --------------------------------------------------- Amorphophallus network: http://www.amorphophallus.baumfarn.at/ _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "W. George Schmid" hostahill at bellsouth.net> on 2005.07.06 at 18:24:03(13142) I have grown Typhonium venosum for 25 years and never see spider mites on them. G. W. George Schmid +More Hosta Hill - Tucker Georgia USA Zone 7a - 1188 feet AMSL 84-12'-30" West_33-51' North Outgoing e-mail virus checked by NAV ----- Original Message ----- To: Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 11:25 Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: Sauromatum guttatum culture > Also remember these things are spider mite magnets. _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "David S." maui4me at charter.net> on 2005.07.09 at 07:00:38(13158) I disagree. I've been growing these outdoors in the ground for over twenty years and have spider mite infestations to varying degrees almost every year. Kyle, I hope you've been changing the soil annually in your pots of these, as well as removing offsets if they'll detach easily. If well grown, the corm grows substantially each year until they get about 4" diameter. I've had them flower when only a little over 2" diameter, which only takes one or two years after separating it from the mother plant. I have some of mine planted in straight Tennessee red clay and they do well but I doubt you could overwinter them outdoors in Maine regardless of how deep they were planted and mulched. If you give an individual corm room to grow, say not over one or two babies in a one gallon pot, then you should get quite a bit of corm growth each year. They won't flower well if crowded. David Sizemore +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Re: Sauromatum guttatum culture > When Typhonium venosum grows outdoors, spider mites never attack it. > > Greets > Abrimaal > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Leo A. Martin" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 5:25 PM > Subject: [Aroid-l] Re: Sauromatum guttatum culture > > > > Also remember these things are spider mite magnets. I can't keep them > > alive here in Phoenix since I don't have a wet greenhouse and the > > highest constant humidity I can manage is about 40% on a good day. > > > > By the way, some of the commoner Amorphophallus do just fine here in low > > humidity in full shade. > > > > Leo > > -- > > Leo A. Martin > > Phoenix, Arizona, USA _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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