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From: "Noel Crisler" ncrisler at cox.net> on 2005.10.06 at 17:06:57(13398) should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? Thanks, Noel +More ncrisler@cox.net _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Marge Talt" mtalt at hort.net> on 2005.10.08 at 20:20:26(13403) should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? ---------- Well, I'm no expert, but have kept mine in it's pot - allowed to go +More totally dry; kept inside in normal room temps until spring, when I repot into a larger pot with fresh media as signs of new growth become evident. This seems to have worked fine for the 3 years I've had it. Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland mtalt@hort.net Editor: Gardening in Shade, Suite101.com Shadyside Garden Designs ----------------------------------------------- http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening ------------------------------------------------ Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Ronmchatton at aol.com on 2005.10.09 at 13:08:57(13406) A. paeoniifolius is a really strong species. While you can leave it in the pot while resting (absolutely dry) you don't have to. Last season I kept a dormant 40 pound corm sitting out of the pot on the corner of my office desk until it flowered with no ill effects. Ron McHatton +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Noel Crisler" ncrisler at cox.net> on 2005.10.09 at 14:39:16(13407) thanks so much for the advice! Noel +More ----- Original Message ----- To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? ---------- Well, I'm no expert, but have kept mine in it's pot - allowed to go totally dry; kept inside in normal room temps until spring, when I repot into a larger pot with fresh media as signs of new growth become evident. This seems to have worked fine for the 3 years I've had it. Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland mtalt@hort.net Editor: Gardening in Shade, Suite101.com Shadyside Garden Designs ----------------------------------------------- http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening ------------------------------------------------ Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: bonaventure at optonline.net on 2005.10.09 at 15:12:42(13408) I drag mine inside just before night temps go in the 30's, cram it into a corner of the living room, stop watering, and wait 2 months for the leaves to die down. Then I wait another 2 months to allow the rest of the soil to dry out, after which I unpot, check the tuber(s), and then hang them in an open plastic shopping bag from a nail on my basement ceiling rafters until I see shoots poking out in late May/ early June. Bonaventure Magrys +More Cliffwood Beach, NJ zone 7 ----- Original Message ----- Date: Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice > From: Noel Crisler > should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? > > ---------- > Well, I'm no expert, but have kept mine in it's pot - allowed to go > totally dry; kept inside in normal room temps until spring, when I > repot into a larger pot with fresh media as signs of new growth > become evident. This seems to have worked fine for the 3 years I've > had it. > > Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland > mtalt@hort.net > Editor: Gardening in Shade, Suite101.com > Shadyside Garden Designs > ----------------------------------------------- > http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening > ------------------------------------------------ > Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date > http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Noel Crisler" ncrisler at cox.net> on 2005.10.09 at 16:22:41(13409) thanks so much for the info. Alas, my desk is already piled high with ^&$% so I guess it will have no company over the winter. All on this site are so helpful to this novice! Noel +More Norfolk, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: Ronmchatton@aol.com To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice A. paeoniifolius is a really strong species. While you can leave it in the pot while resting (absolutely dry) you don't have to. Last season I kept a dormant 40 pound corm sitting out of the pot on the corner of my office desk until it flowered with no ill effects. Ron McHatton _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Noel Crisler" ncrisler at cox.net> on 2005.10.09 at 16:25:03(13410) Thanks so much for the info---------have received several invaluable answers! All agree. Noel +More Norfolk, VA ----- Original Message ----- To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice I drag mine inside just before night temps go in the 30's, cram it into a corner of the living room, stop watering, and wait 2 months for the leaves to die down. Then I wait another 2 months to allow the rest of the soil to dry out, after which I unpot, check the tuber(s), and then hang them in an open plastic shopping bag from a nail on my basement ceiling rafters until I see shoots poking out in late May/ early June. Bonaventure Magrys Cliffwood Beach, NJ zone 7 ----- Original Message ----- Date: Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? ---------- Well, I'm no expert, but have kept mine in it's pot - allowed to go totally dry; kept inside in normal room temps until spring, when I repot into a larger pot with fresh media as signs of new growth become evident. This seems to have worked fine for the 3 years I've had it. Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland mtalt@hort.net Editor: Gardening in Shade, Suite101.com Shadyside Garden Designs ----------------------------------------------- http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/shade_gardening ------------------------------------------------ Complete Index of Articles by Category and Date http://mtalt.hort.net/article-index.html _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Ken Mosher ken at spatulacity.com> on 2005.10.09 at 17:28:48(13411) Bonaventure, I think you're lucky not to have dead Am. paeoniifolius! Many of us in the northern climates, NJ certainly included, have had persistent and very serious rot problems with paeoniifolius tubers when they are allowed to be cold and wet at the same time. I would absolutely never allow mine to stay outdoors or receive any water once nighttime temps drop below 60 (at the coldest). Last year ago I lost every single paeoniifolius except one because of cold/wet conditions. At the time I had little option since my greenhouse wasn't covered until November, but this year the watering of my new ones is being closely controlled as end-of-season approaches. And they've been in the greenhouse all season. The more experience I gain growing in CT the more I find that only a few are suited for outdoor growing this far north. One more mention about plastic bags and amorphs: don't do it! I don't care if they're open or not. The only plastic I'd ever *consider* would be an onion bag - the mesh kind. I keep all mine only in paper bags. -Ken Mosher +More bonaventure@optonline.net wrote: I drag mine inside just before night temps go in the 30's, cram it into a corner of the living room, stop watering, and wait 2 months for the leaves to die down. Then I wait another 2 months to allow the rest of the soil to dry out, after which I unpot, check the tuber(s), and then hang them in an open plastic shopping bag from a nail on my basement ceiling rafters until I see shoots poking out in late May/ early June. Bonaventure Magrys Cliffwood Beach, NJ zone 7 ----- Original Message ----- Date: Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? ---------- Well, I'm no expert, but have kept mine in it's pot - allowed to go totally dry; kept inside in normal room temps until spring, when I repot into a larger pot with fresh media as signs of new growth become evident. This seems to have worked fine for the 3 years I've had it. Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland mtalt@hort.net Editor: Gardening in Shade, Suite101.com Shadyside Garden Designs _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Noel Crisler" ncrisler at cox.net> on 2005.10.09 at 22:37:57(13415) Thanks so much. Mine has been outside all summer and thrived. Don't know how old it is, so am hoping for "bloom" next year. How old (big) do they have to be before producing the "lovely"? We have a fab pot rack from which I intend to hang the tuber in an onion bag. Again- thanks for so many answers to this novices questions! Noel +More Norfolk, Va ----- Original Message ----- To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice Bonaventure, I think you're lucky not to have dead Am. paeoniifolius! Many of us in the northern climates, NJ certainly included, have had persistent and very serious rot problems with paeoniifolius tubers when they are allowed to be cold and wet at the same time. I would absolutely never allow mine to stay outdoors or receive any water once nighttime temps drop below 60 (at the coldest). Last year ago I lost every single paeoniifolius except one because of cold/wet conditions. At the time I had little option since my greenhouse wasn't covered until November, but this year the watering of my new ones is being closely controlled as end-of-season approaches. And they've been in the greenhouse all season. The more experience I gain growing in CT the more I find that only a few are suited for outdoor growing this far north. One more mention about plastic bags and amorphs: don't do it! I don't care if they're open or not. The only plastic I'd ever *consider* would be an onion bag - the mesh kind. I keep all mine only in paper bags. -Ken Mosher bonaventure@optonline.net wrote: I drag mine inside just before night temps go in the 30's, cram it into a corner of the living room, stop watering, and wait 2 months for the leaves to die down. Then I wait another 2 months to allow the rest of the soil to dry out, after which I unpot, check the tuber(s), and then hang them in an open plastic shopping bag from a nail on my basement ceiling rafters until I see shoots poking out in late May/ early June. Bonaventure Magrys Cliffwood Beach, NJ zone 7 ----- Original Message ----- Date: Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? ---------- Well, I'm no expert, but have kept mine in it's pot - allowed to go totally dry; kept inside in normal room temps until spring, when I repot into a larger pot with fresh media as signs of new growth become evident. This seems to have worked fine for the 3 years I've had it. Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland mtalt@hort.net Editor: Gardening in Shade, Suite101.com Shadyside Garden Designs _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "D. Scott Taylor" staylor at brevardparks.com> on 2005.10.10 at 14:42:28(13420) The general recommendation is to store dry, so if kept in the pot, keep the soil dry. I prefer out of the soil.D. Scott TaylorOn Oct 6, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Noel Crisler wrote: should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? ? Thanks, Noel ncrisler@cox.net_______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com +More http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Noel Crisler" ncrisler at cox.net> on 2005.10.10 at 16:19:01(13424) thanks so much for the info- I'm just learning about this "lovely" family! Noel +More Norfolk, VA ncrisler@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Scott Taylor To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice The general recommendation is to store dry, so if kept in the pot, keep the soil dry. I prefer out of the soil. D. Scott Taylor On Oct 6, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Noel Crisler wrote: should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? Thanks, Noel ncrisler@cox.net _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "hanson, skip" shanson at emc.com> on 2005.10.10 at 20:06:44(13425) Well I believe we are zone 9. Home is in Aptos CA. it's on the coast so the zones are weird. +More thanks so much for the info- I'm just learning about this "lovely" family! Noel Norfolk, VA ncrisler@cox.net ----- Original Message ----- From: D. Scott Taylor To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice The general recommendation is to store dry, so if kept in the pot, keep the soil dry. I prefer out of the soil. D. Scott Taylor On Oct 6, 2005, at 1:06 PM, Noel Crisler wrote: should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? Thanks, Noel ncrisler@cox.net _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: bonaventure at optonline.net on 2005.10.12 at 05:15:22(13433) Thanks Ken, Outside now it is about 60F and has been raining much, on and off, for 4-5 days now. No ill effects on the 7 stalks in their converted pickle tub full of 1 part Pro-mix : 1 part coarse perlite. I am watching very closely. I allow the tuber to dry off completely with all soil removed before hanging it in the shopping bag, and check it at least monthly by completely removing it. So far no excess moisture had formed between the tuber skin and the plastic bag. Mossambicencis(swynnertonii) just down was emergency unpotted from this same kind of mix but was found to be fine with a large tuber and a medusa-like 7 zigzagging stolon-offsets (reply privately to bonaventure@optonline.net for offsets). Konjac, yunnanensis, dunnii, and bulbifer in the garden started to collapse before the rains started and ended our long late summer drought here in New Jersey, but I've learned from bad experience that I will have to dig up the bulbifer before winter. Konjac and yunnanensis have bloomed in spring in the garden just before their leaves come up in early summer. Lewelii and, new this year henryi and corrugatus, are in smaller pots, sitting on the soil under the great paeoniifolius leaves and are being watched closely also for the relative chill affecting their leaves, but so far so good. Plus, I'll have to take the whole pot in as a unit because their roots grew through the drainage holes into the soil of the paeoniifolius pot. These will be stored dry in their respective pots due to the smaller tuber sizes. Only Synandrospadix vermitoxus I have lost to rot resting in a pot of loose dust-dry medium. Bonaventure +More ----- Original Message ----- Date: Sunday, October 9, 2005 1:28 pm Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice > Bonaventure, > > I think you're lucky not to have dead Am. paeoniifolius! > > Many of us in the northern climates, NJ certainly included, have > had > persistent and very serious rot problems with paeoniifolius tubers > when > they are allowed to be cold and wet at the same time. > > I would absolutely never allow mine to stay outdoors or receive > any > water once nighttime temps drop below 60 (at the coldest). Last > year ago > I lost every single paeoniifolius except one because of cold/wet > conditions. At the time I had little option since my greenhouse > wasn't > covered until November, but this year the watering of my new ones > is > being closely controlled as end-of-season approaches. And they've > been > in the greenhouse all season. The more experience I gain growing > in CT > the more I find that only a few are suited for outdoor growing > this far > north. > > One more mention about plastic bags and amorphs: don't do it! I > don't > care if they're open or not. The only plastic I'd ever *consider* > would > be an onion bag - the mesh kind. I keep all mine only in paper bags. > > -Ken Mosher > > bonaventure@optonline.net wrote: > > I drag mine inside just before night temps go in the 30's, cram > it into a corner of the living room, stop watering, and wait 2 > months for the leaves to die down. Then I wait another 2 months to > allow the rest of the soil to dry out, after which I unpot, check > the tuber(s), and then hang them in an open plastic shopping bag > from a nail on my basement ceiling rafters until I see shoots > poking out in late May/ early June. > > > > Bonaventure Magrys > > Cliffwood Beach, NJ > > zone 7 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Marge Talt > > Date: Saturday, October 8, 2005 4:20 pm > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] help for novice > > > > > >>From: Noel Crisler > >>should A. Paeonifolius , after dying down, stay in the pot? > >> > >>---------- > >>Well, I'm no expert, but have kept mine in it's pot - allowed to go > >>totally dry; kept inside in normal room temps until spring, when I > >>repot into a larger pot with fresh media as signs of new growth > >>become evident. This seems to have worked fine for the 3 years I've > >>had it. > >> > >>Marge Talt, zone 7 Maryland > >>mtalt@hort.net > >>Editor: Gardening in Shade, Suite101.com > >>Shadyside Garden Designs > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-l mailing list > Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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