philo hybrid called "Ace of Spades"

From: "Bluesea" chammer at cfl.rr.com> on 2006.08.04 at 06:22:53(14469) Steve, I got far more good hits on Google using 'King of Spades' than 'Ace'. I don't know which name takes precedence, but I believe they are the same Philodendron. Not much info out there on this plant tho, other than it's a very old hybrid. +More Russ _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Bluesea" chammer at cfl.rr.com> on 2006.08.04 at 15:59:30(14471) I've seen plants labelled 'Ace of Spades' that I'm reasonably certain were the same as my Philo, Steve. I would bet a small sum that one of the parents is erubescens, but I've never seen anything in print to back that up. Unfortunately, it seems almost all info on these old Philo hybrids from the 50s thru the 80s is lost in obscurity. I've tried to find something out about 'Red Princess', which was WILDLY popular decades ago, without success. That one was in every nursery and dept store in the country, offered in hanging and climbing forms, and florists loved it. But it's very hard to find now. It has been replaced, at least with florists, with 'Red Duchess', a slightly larger plant that has lobes where 'Red Princess' does not. 'Duchess' is much faster growing, which probably caused the demise of the slower but IMHO more attractive 'Red Princess'. +More I got my 'King of Spades' Philo at an obscure southern Louisiana nursery many decades ago when I was going thru there on old Highway 90 (long before I-10) on vacation. Keep me up on what you find out, if anything. Oh, by the way, the correct spelling is 'Merkel' in the Alberts & Merkel Nursery name I mentioned. I thought it might be Merkle, not. Jean Merkel died in his 90s last year, and his daughter sold the business in Boynton Beach from what I understand. Jean was huge in Aroid circles, having actually named the Aglaonema cultivars 'Pewter' and I believe 'Malay Beauty', which are supposedly only slightly different. These have faded into history too, replaced by newer hybrid Ags. I'm trying to collect as many of these old Philos and Ags as I can find. Once in awhile I hit pay dirt. Russ _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Bluesea" chammer at cfl.rr.com> on 2006.08.04 at 17:50:45(14472) That 2nd plant is an unidentified Anth from Alberts and Merkel, which I sent pics of before. If you haven't got those anymore, I can send again. This was the largest of 2 small offsets at the bottom of the plant, wish it coulda been bigger. Gotta leave the house right now, I'll take some pics and forward later. Russ +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] philo hybrid called "Ace of Spades" Thanks Russ. So far I've learned as the name Ace of Spades it came into existence in the '70s or '80s. I'm unsure if both names are the same plant. I'd love to find out what the parent species were. Thanks, Steve Lucas www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bluesea To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] philo hybrid called "Ace of Spades" Steve, I got far more good hits on Google using 'King of Spades' than 'Ace'. I don't know which name takes precedence, but I believe they are the same Philodendron. Not much info out there on this plant tho, other than it's a very old hybrid. Russ _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest" steve at exoticrainforest.com> on 2006.08.16 at 23:58:04(14521) What does anyone know about an older philo hybrid called "Ace of Spades"? Steve Lucas +More _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest" steve at exoticrainforest.com> on 2006.08.17 at 15:05:47(14525) Thanks Russ. So far I've learned as the name Ace of Spades it came into existence in the '70s or '80s. I'm unsure if both names are the same plant. I'd love to find out what the parent species were. Thanks, Steve Lucas +More www.ExoticRainforest.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bluesea To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 1:22 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] philo hybrid called "Ace of Spades" Steve, I got far more good hits on Google using 'King of Spades' than 'Ace'. I don't know which name takes precedence, but I believe they are the same Philodendron. Not much info out there on this plant tho, other than it's a very old hybrid. Russ _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Steve Lucas Exotic Rainforest" steve at exoticrainforest.com> on 2006.08.17 at 19:28:19(14527) Thanks! This one may be tougher than tracking down plants that actually have names!! Steve +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Bluesea To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] philo hybrid called "Ace of Spades" I've seen plants labelled 'Ace of Spades' that I'm reasonably certain were the same as my Philo, Steve. I would bet a small sum that one of the parents is erubescens, but I've never seen anything in print to back that up. Unfortunately, it seems almost all info on these old Philo hybrids from the 50s thru the 80s is lost in obscurity. I've tried to find something out about 'Red Princess', which was WILDLY popular decades ago, without success. That one was in every nursery and dept store in the country, offered in hanging and climbing forms, and florists loved it. But it's very hard to find now. It has been replaced, at least with florists, with 'Red Duchess', a slightly larger plant that has lobes where 'Red Princess' does not. 'Duchess' is much faster growing, which probably caused the demise of the slower but IMHO more attractive 'Red Princess'. I got my 'King of Spades' Philo at an obscure southern Louisiana nursery many decades ago when I was going thru there on old Highway 90 (long before I-10) on vacation. Keep me up on what you find out, if anything. Oh, by the way, the correct spelling is 'Merkel' in the Alberts & Merkel Nursery name I mentioned. I thought it might be Merkle, not. Jean Merkel died in his 90s last year, and his daughter sold the business in Boynton Beach from what I understand. Jean was huge in Aroid circles, having actually named the Aglaonema cultivars 'Pewter' and I believe 'Malay Beauty', which are supposedly only slightly different. These have faded into history too, replaced by newer hybrid Ags. I'm trying to collect as many of these old Philos and Ags as I can find. Once in awhile I hit pay dirt. Russ _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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