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  Colocasia mess
From: "Agoston Janos" agoston.janos at citromail.hu> on 2006.08.13 at 02:02:52(14507)
Dear All,

I attach the pictures of the plants whose names are "difficult
to choose the right".

Can anybody help me identify them, plese.



From: "Tom Croat" Thomas.Croat at mobot.org> on 2006.08.14 at 08:01:53(14511)
Pete Boyce should pronounce on these.
Could #3 be Steudnera rather than Colocasia? Number 4 is Colocasia esculenta
var. antiquorum, I think.


From: "Agoston Janos" agoston.janos at citromail.hu> on 2006.08.14 at 10:34:51(14512)
Thank you Tom.
If I'll have some time I'll ask him.

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From: "mossytrail" mossytrail at hctc.com> on 2006.09.06 at 23:24:26(14573)
> Dear All,
> I'm fed up with most of the botanists. I'm trying to sell
> my plants under correct names, but... There are 2-4 names
> for plants. Now please decide wich one is correct!

This is because in the early days of Linnaean nomenclature,
many species were known only from preserved or cultivated
specimens. There was no way of knowing which of these
specimens could have interbred, nor of how much variation
the offspring would show, so each different variant had a
separate name. In some cases, different specimens of a
single species were put in three or four different genera --
just try sorting out the synonymy of, for example, the
California fan palm, Washintonia filifera.

> Colocasia antiquorum 'Illustris' cf. ? syn. Colocasia
> esculenta 'Illustris'

From: Peter Matthews pjm at gol.com> on 2006.09.07 at 19:03:15(14574)
Dear Various,

In the early 1980s I had the opportunity to look through European
herbarium collections of Colocasia species.

The most often collected and clearly distinct species were Colocasia
esculenta (very widespread in the wild and in cultivation), C. fallax
Schott (Engler & Krause 1920) (central Himalaya), C. affinis Schott
(Engler & Krause 1920) (eastern Himalaya to Thailand) and C. gigantea
Hook f. (Hotta 1970) (E and SE Asia).

All four of these species are used as ornamentals and are now quite
widepsread outside their natural or pre-modern historical range.

Other rarely collected species of Colocasia are less well-known
taxonomically, their geographical ranges cannot be ascertained from
one or just a few collection records each. These species are less
likely to be found in trade (C. gracilis, C. mannii, C. virosa, and
others that have been reported in recent years).

C. affinis a tender, cold-sensitive species with stolons (a tropical
lowland species, or lowland and low hills).

C. fallax is a tough, cold tolerant species with stolons (i.e it
seems to be atropical mountain species).

C. gigantea ranges in cultivation from tropics to warm temperate
areas, and will regrow after frost or snow damage (in Japan).

C. esculenta ranges in cultivation from tropics to cool temperate
areas, and will regrow after frost or snow damage (to 41 degrees N.in
Japan). Wild forms in the lowland tropics and subtropics are all
stoloniferous and show considerable phenotypic diversity in mainland
SE Asia - in coloration, spathe morphology etc.).

Wild forms at higher altitudes (above 1000 m) in the tropics are not
well known but do exist, and some bear cormels rather than stolons.

The historically recognised varieties (e.g.C. e. var. aquatilis and
var. antiquorum) may simply represent fragments from a continuous
range of morphological variation among wild forms in diverse habitats
over a huge geographical range in Asia and the western Pacific.

It is difficult for anyone to actually cover all the ground that
needs to be covered, to comprehend variation in very widespread
species. Give us another hundred years or so (or 100 students and
funds for 1 year).

Thanks, Peter


From: "Agoston Janos" agoston.janos at citromail.hu> on 2006.09.07 at 23:33:08(14575)
Dear Jason,Thank you for your help. Now I know more from this nomenclature.Bye,Jani
-- Eredeti ?zenet --
Felad?: mossytrail
From: "Peter Boyce" botanist at malesiana.com> on 2006.09.08 at 02:09:08(14576)
Colocasia fallax is a good species

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