Fenestrated aroids

From: "Wallace Wells" <wwells at haven.ios.com> on 1997.01.10 at 19:05:43(102) I have owned Monstera deliciosa and recently got M. pitterii. I am interested in other fenestrated or 'holed-leaved' aroids and would like comment from others who are cultivating the same. I know there are Philodendrons with this characteristic. WWells, NYC NY

From: Eduardo Gomes Goncalves <eggon at guarany.cpd.unb.br> on 1997.01.10 at 21:45:37(104) On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Wallace Wells wrote: > I have owned Monstera deliciosa and recently got M. pitterii. I am > interested in other fenestrated or 'holed-leaved' aroids and would > like comment from others who are cultivating the same. I know there > are Philodendrons with this characteristic. The only genera of Araceae that I'm aware about the presence of fenestrations are: Monstera (as you already know), Dracontioides (a water dweller from Brazil), Raphidophora, Epipremnum and maybe some Anchomanes. I have never seen a fenestrated Philodendron and I think they don't exist at all. Some pictorial books of horticulture (e.g. Exotica) usually show a young Monstera deliciosa identificated as "Philodendron pertusum" and I think it can confuse a lot of people. Best wishes, Eduardo

From: "Richard Mansell (BIO)" <mansell at chuma.cas.usf.edu> on 1997.01.12 at 20:22:04(109) Might we also add Dracontium to the list of fenestrated aroids? Dick On Fri, 10 +More Jan 1997, Eduardo Gomes Goncalves wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Wallace Wells wrote: > > > I have owned Monstera deliciosa and recently got M. pitterii. I am > > interested in other fenestrated or 'holed-leaved' aroids and would > > like comment from others who are cultivating the same. I know there > > are Philodendrons with this characteristic. > > The only genera of Araceae that I'm aware about the presence of > fenestrations are: Monstera (as you already know), Dracontioides (a water > dweller from Brazil), Raphidophora, Epipremnum and maybe some Anchomanes. > I have never seen a fenestrated Philodendron and I think they don't exist > at all. Some pictorial books of horticulture (e.g. Exotica) usually show a > young Monstera deliciosa identificated as "Philodendron pertusum" and I > think it can confuse a lot of people. > > Best wishes, > > Eduardo > > -- Richard L. Mansell Phone: H(813) 961-7072 Biology Department, LIF 136 W(813) 974-1588 University of South Florida Fax: (813) 974-1614 Tampa, FL 33620 Home: 13508 Little Lake Place, Tampa, FL 33613-4134 E-mail- mansell@chuma.cas.usf.edu WWW - http://www.cas.usf.edu/~mansell/mansell.html

From: "Peter Boyce" <P.Boyce at lion.rbgkew.org.uk> on 1997.01.13 at 15:27:36(113) I can add a couple to Eduardo's list Amydrium medium and Amydrium hainanense. The latter has perhaps THE most-perforated leaf in the Araceae, a three-quarter x half-metre brilliant-green net of tissue. Quite, quite beautiful. Pete +More Herbarium RBG Kew UK

From: "Dr. Guanghua Zhu" <gzhu at lehmann.mobot.org> on 1997.01.13 at 15:36:44(116) Yes, Dick, we definitely should include Dracontium. As a matter of fact, D. plowmanii, is sometimes very heavily fenestrated. Fenestrations are not uncommon in a few other species. Guanghua +More > Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:23:51 -0600 > Reply-to: aroid-l@mobot.org > From: "Richard Mansell (BIO)" > To: zhu > Subject: Re: Fenestrated aroids > Might we also add Dracontium to the list of fenestrated aroids? > > Dick > > On Fri, 10 > Jan 1997, Eduardo Gomes Goncalves wrote: > > > On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Wallace Wells wrote: > > > > > I have owned Monstera deliciosa and recently got M. pitterii. I am > > > interested in other fenestrated or 'holed-leaved' aroids and would > > > like comment from others who are cultivating the same. I know there > > > are Philodendrons with this characteristic. > > > > The only genera of Araceae that I'm aware about the presence of > > fenestrations are: Monstera (as you already know), Dracontioides (a water > > dweller from Brazil), Raphidophora, Epipremnum and maybe some Anchomanes. > > I have never seen a fenestrated Philodendron and I think they don't exist > > at all. Some pictorial books of horticulture (e.g. Exotica) usually show a > > young Monstera deliciosa identificated as "Philodendron pertusum" and I > > think it can confuse a lot of people. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Eduardo > > > > > > -- > Richard L. Mansell Phone: H(813) 961-7072 > Biology Department, LIF 136 W(813) 974-1588 > University of South Florida Fax: (813) 974-1614 > Tampa, FL 33620 > > Home: 13508 Little Lake Place, Tampa, FL 33613-4134 > > E-mail- mansell@chuma.cas.usf.edu > WWW - http://www.cas.usf.edu/~mansell/mansell.html > > > > > Guanghua Zhu Missouri Botanical Garden P. O. Box 299 St. Louis, MO 63166-0299, USA Phone: (314)577-9454 Fax: (314)577-9438

From: Endangered Species Nursery <nursery at endangeredspecies.com> on 1997.01.13 at 22:05:00(119) Is not Cryptocoryne an aroid? There's one which practically defines fenestration. It used to be called 'fenestralis' when I was a child. Hermine +More At 09:36 AM 1/13/97 -0600, Dr. Guanghua Zhu wrote: >Yes, Dick, we definitely should include Dracontium. As a matter of >fact, D. plowmanii, is sometimes very heavily fenestrated. >Fenestrations are not uncommon in a few other species. > >Guanghua > > >> Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:23:51 -0600 >> Reply-to: aroid-l@mobot.org >> From: "Richard Mansell (BIO)" >> To: zhu >> Subject: Re: Fenestrated aroids > >> Might we also add Dracontium to the list of fenestrated aroids? >> >> Dick >> >> On Fri, 10 >> Jan 1997, Eduardo Gomes Goncalves wrote: >> >> > On Fri, 10 Jan 1997, Wallace Wells wrote: >> > >> > > I have owned Monstera deliciosa and recently got M. pitterii. I am >> > > interested in other fenestrated or 'holed-leaved' aroids and would >> > > like comment from others who are cultivating the same. I know there >> > > are Philodendrons with this characteristic. >> > >> > The only genera of Araceae that I'm aware about the presence of >> > fenestrations are: Monstera (as you already know), Dracontioides (a water >> > dweller from Brazil), Raphidophora, Epipremnum and maybe some Anchomanes. >> > I have never seen a fenestrated Philodendron and I think they don't exist >> > at all. Some pictorial books of horticulture (e.g. Exotica) usually show a >> > young Monstera deliciosa identificated as "Philodendron pertusum" and I >> > think it can confuse a lot of people. >> > >> > Best wishes, >> > >> > Eduardo >> > >> > >> >> -- >> Richard L. Mansell Phone: H(813) 961-7072 >> Biology Department, LIF 136 W(813) 974-1588 >> University of South Florida Fax: (813) 974-1614 >> Tampa, FL 33620 >> >> Home: 13508 Little Lake Place, Tampa, FL 33613-4134 >> >> E-mail- mansell@chuma.cas.usf.edu >> WWW - http://www.cas.usf.edu/~mansell/mansell.html >> >> >> >> >> >Guanghua Zhu >Missouri Botanical Garden >P. O. Box 299 >St. Louis, MO 63166-0299, USA >Phone: (314)577-9454 >Fax: (314)577-9438 > > >

From: "Neal R. Foster" <nealfost at umich.edu> on 1997.01.14 at 15:19:05(121) Hermine, you're thinking of the Madagascar Lace Leaf Plant, Apotamogeton (spelling?) fenestralis, which Albert Greenberg of Everglades Aquatic Nurseries in Tampa used to sell to aquarists back in the 1950's and 1960's. Albert contracted river blindness (or some other tropical parasite or disease that causes blindness) while collecting aquatic plants in Madagascar. This is not an aroid, but I don't know what plant family it does belong to. Neal R. Foster, U.S. Department of Interior, USGS-Biological Resources Division, Great Lakes Science Center, 1451 Green Road, Ann Arbor, Michigan 48105-2807; Phone [+voicemail]: (313)994-3331-x264; FAX: (313)994-8780; e-mail: nealfost@umich.edu +More On Mon, 13 Jan 1997, Endangered Species Nursery wrote: > Is not Cryptocoryne an aroid? There's one which practically defines > fenestration. It used to be called 'fenestralis' when I was a child. > Hermine > >

From: tychen at ippfwhr.org on 1997.01.14 at 15:24:02(122) i think you are thinking of "Aponogeton fenestralis" (from Madagascar) which is not a Cryptocoryne, therefore not an aroid, although it is also an aquatic plant you can find in fish stores. tsuh yang chen, new york city +More ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Fenestrated aroids Author: PC :nursery@endangeredspecies.com at INTERNET Date: 1/13/97 5:17 PM Is not Cryptocoryne an aroid? There's one which practically defines fenestration. It used to be called 'fenestralis' when I was a child. Hermine

From: Hermine Stover <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 1997.01.14 at 15:28:58(123) At 05:32 PM 1/13/97 -0500, tychen@ippfwhr.org wrote: > i think you are thinking of "Aponogeton fenestralis" (from Madagascar) > which is not a Cryptocoryne, therefore not an aroid, although it is > also an aquatic plant you can find in fish stores. > > tsuh yang chen, new york city > > > _absolutely thank you. It was forever ago. hermine

From: Hermine Stover <hermine at endangeredspecies.com> on 1997.01.15 at 00:10:49(131) At 09:19 AM 1/14/97 -0600, you wrote: >Hermine, you're thinking of the Madagascar Lace Leaf Plant, Apotamogeton >(spelling?) fenestralis, which Albert Greenberg of Everglades Aquatic >Nurseries in Tampa used to sell to aquarists back in the 1950's and >1960's. Albert contracted river blindness (or some other tropical >parasite or disease that causes blindness) while collecting aquatic plants >in Madagascar. This is not an aroid, but I don't know what plant family >it does belong to. > >Neal R. Foster, U.S. Department of Interior, USGS-Biological Resources >Division, Great Lakes Science Center, 1451 Green Road, Ann Arbor, Michigan >48105-2807; Phone [+voicemail]: (313)994-3331-x264; FAX: (313)994-8780; >e-mail: nealfost@umich.edu +More > >Thnks for jogging my memory. It was (aponogeton fenestralis) very expensive in the 50's..$25.00 Or more and seemed not to do well. I had aquariums then only as an excuse to have aquatic plants, having little interest in fishes. Aponogeton and Cryptocoryne (which is an aroid) were my 2 favorite genus(es). Aquararium Stock Co, (Axelrod's place) was my #1 place because they did have a large # of plants. Most shops had only animals and 2 or 3 kinds of plants. > >> of failing memory, >> > > > > Hermine

From: BIHOREL at cris.com (Christian Feuillet) on 1997.01.15 at 03:29:01(133) >Hermine, you're thinking of the Madagascar Lace Leaf Plant, Apotamogeton >(spelling?) fenestralis, which Albert Greenberg of Everglades Aquatic >Nurseries in Tampa used to sell to aquarists back in the 1950's and >1960's. +More Aponogeton fenestralis or madagascariensis. ,--- \\/ ~ ~ \// ( @ @ ) -----oOOo-- (_) --oOOo----------------------- | | | Christian FEUILLET | | | | 11400 Hennessey Dr. | BIHOREL@cris.com | | Beltsville MD 20705 | (301) 937 9197 | | | | TROPICS GENEALOGY CATS FRANCE PLANTS ... | |_____________________________________________|

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