Natural Hybrid

From: "Windy Aubrey" <exotics at hawaii.rr.com> on 2007.03.28 at 20:50:21(15504) Hi, I thought this might be of interest to some of you Aroiders out there, so I thought I would share these images of something I found growing in the yard, and the two plants I suspect this new plant came from. In our yard, here on Oahu, we have a large patch of Colocasia gigantea growing somewhat wild and we also have two old Alocasia cuculata 'shrubs'. While clearing out some white ginger that was taking over, I came upon a small plant of something that was definitely different appearing from anything else in the yard. I cleared around it and let it grow. It's now been about 8 months since this discovery and it is turning out to be a really interesting plant. The blades are developing an interesting pucker between the veins. This characteristic is becoming more pronounced with each new blade as they harden off. I'll be interested in seeing if it obtains the proportions of the Colocasia gigantea. My only explanation for this plant is that it must be a natural hybrid of the two. Does anyone know if Alocasia cuculata been crossed with Colocasia gigantea intentionally before? and what do you call an Alocasia X Colocasia? Thanks, Windy Aubrey +More Attachment: 005.JPG Description: JPEG image Attachment: 004.JPG Description: JPEG image Attachment: 003.JPG Description: JPEG image Attachment: 001.JPG Description: JPEG image _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "AbrimaaL" <abrimaal at wp.pl> on 2007.03.29 at 12:13:17(15510) Hello, if it is really a intergeneric hybrid, the name would be for example ×Calocasia. But there would be many mistakes then. +More Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: Windy Aubrey To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid Hi, I thought this might be of interest to some of you Aroiders out there, so I thought I would share these images of something I found growing in the yard, and the two plants I suspect this new plant came from. In our yard, here on Oahu, we have a large patch of Colocasia gigantea growing somewhat wild and we also have two old Alocasia cuculata 'shrubs'. While clearing out some white ginger that was taking over, I came upon a small plant of something that was definitely different appearing from anything else in the yard. I cleared around it and let it grow. It's now been about 8 months since this discovery and it is turning out to be a really interesting plant. The blades are developing an interesting pucker between the veins. This characteristic is becoming more pronounced with each new blade as they harden off. I'll be interested in seeing if it obtains the proportions of the Colocasia gigantea. My only explanation for this plant is that it must be a natural hybrid of the two. Does anyone know if Alocasia cuculata been crossed with Colocasia gigantea intentionally before? and what do you call an Alocasia X Colocasia? Thanks, Windy Aubrey__________ NOD32 Informacje 2148 (20070327) __________Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "alocasia" <bs246466 at skynet.be> on 2007.03.29 at 18:23:32(15514) The 'thing' is off course interesant,and seem to have both part of colocasia gigantea and alocasia +More cuculata.... But i don't think that the last pic(but pic number 1) is colocasia gigantea.Colocasia have more round leaves,in all plants that i know.This plant seem more a xanthosoma for me.And if i know that some cross were made between colocasia and alocasia,i don't think that it could be possible between xanthosoma and alocasia.Mr Hay?Mr Boyce?What are thinking the experts? ----- Original Message ----- From: Windy Aubrey To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid Hi, I thought this might be of interest to some of you Aroiders out there, so I thought I would share these images of something I found growing in the yard, and the two plants I suspect this new plant came from. In our yard, here on Oahu, we have a large patch of Colocasia gigantea growing somewhat wild and we also have two old Alocasia cuculata 'shrubs'. While clearing out some white ginger that was taking over, I came upon a small plant of something that was definitely different appearing from anything else in the yard. I cleared around it and let it grow. It's now been about 8 months since this discovery and it is turning out to be a really interesting plant. The blades are developing an interesting pucker between the veins. This characteristic is becoming more pronounced with each new blade as they harden off. I'll be interested in seeing if it obtains the proportions of the Colocasia gigantea. My only explanation for this plant is that it must be a natural hybrid of the two. Does anyone know if Alocasia cuculata been crossed with Colocasia gigantea intentionally before? and what do you call an Alocasia X Colocasia? Thanks, Windy Aubrey _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/07 14:31 _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: <abri1973 at wp.pl> on 2007.03.30 at 12:31:18(15525) Yes I was sure that the plant nr 1 isn't Colocasia gigantea but Xanthosoma sagittifolium. I had no courage to write it. +More I see that the tribes Colocasieae and Caladieae need a revision Almost everybody knows that the never blooming Alocasia 'Hilo Beauty' is probably a Xanthosoma or Caladium. Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: alocasia To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 8:23 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid The 'thing' is off course interesant,and seem to have both part of colocasia gigantea and alocasia cuculata.... But i don't think that the last pic(but pic number 1) is colocasia gigantea.Colocasia have more round leaves,in all plants that i know.This plant seem more a xanthosoma for me.And if i know that some cross were made between colocasia and alocasia,i don't think that it could be possible between xanthosoma and alocasia.Mr Hay?Mr Boyce?What are thinking the experts? ----- Original Message ----- From: Windy Aubrey To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid Hi, I thought this might be of interest to some of you Aroiders out there, so I thought I would share these images of something I found growing in the yard, and the two plants I suspect this new plant came from. In our yard, here on Oahu, we have a large patch of Colocasia gigantea growing somewhat wild and we also have two old Alocasia cuculata 'shrubs'. While clearing out some white ginger that was taking over, I came upon a small plant of something that was definitely different appearing from anything else in the yard. I cleared around it and let it grow. It's now been about 8 months since this discovery and it is turning out to be a really interesting plant. The blades are developing an interesting pucker between the veins. This characteristic is becoming more pronounced with each new blade as they harden off. I'll be interested in seeing if it obtains the proportions of the Colocasia gigantea. My only explanation for this plant is that it must be a natural hybrid of the two. Does anyone know if Alocasia cuculata been crossed with Colocasia gigantea intentionally before? and what do you call an Alocasia X Colocasia? Thanks, Windy Aubrey _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/07 14:31__________ NOD32 Informacje 2148 (20070327) __________Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l__________ NOD32 Informacje 2148 (20070327) __________Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Denis Rotolante" <denis at skg.com> on 2007.03.30 at 14:43:48(15529) Title: Message Could proposed natural hybrid merely be an aneuploid or polyploid seedling of Alocasia cucullata with thicker, broader leaves and more pronounced interveinal puckering? Whatever it is it is an improvement over plain old A. cucullata. See if it gets bigger than the standard cucullata when it matures. Denis +More Silver Krome Gardens -----Original Message-----From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of alocasiaSent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:24 PMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid The 'thing' is off course interesant,and seem to have both part of colocasia gigantea and alocasia cuculata.... But i don't think that the last pic(but pic number 1) is colocasia gigantea.Colocasia have more round leaves,in all plants that i know.This plant seem more a xanthosoma for me.And if i know that some cross were made between colocasia and alocasia,i don't think that it could be possible between xanthosoma and alocasia.Mr Hay?Mr Boyce?What are thinking the experts? ----- Original Message ----- From: Windy Aubrey To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid Hi, I thought this might be of interest to some of you Aroiders out there, so I thought I would share these images of something I found growing in the yard, and the two plants I suspect this new plant came from. In our yard, here on Oahu, we have a large patch of Colocasia gigantea growing somewhat wild and we also have two old Alocasia cuculata 'shrubs'. While clearing out some white ginger that was taking over, I came upon a small plant of something that was definitely different appearing from anything else in the yard. I cleared around it and let it grow. It's now been about 8 months since this discovery and it is turning out to be a really interesting plant. The blades are developing an interesting pucker between the veins. This characteristic is becoming more pronounced with each new blade as they harden off. I'll be interested in seeing if it obtains the proportions of the Colocasia gigantea. My only explanation for this plant is that it must be a natural hybrid of the two. Does anyone know if Alocasia cuculata been crossed with Colocasia gigantea intentionally before? and what do you call an Alocasia X Colocasia? Thanks, Windy Aubrey _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/07 14:31 _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Windy Aubrey" <exotics at hawaii.rr.com> on 2007.03.30 at 22:40:41(15536) Title: Message ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Rotolante To: 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:43 AM Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid Could proposed natural hybrid merely be an aneuploid or polyploid seedling of Alocasia cucullata with thicker, broader leaves and more pronounced interveinal puckering? Whatever it is it is an improvement over plain old A. cucullata. See if it gets bigger than the standard cucullata when it matures. Denis Silver Krome Gardens -----Original Message-----From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of alocasiaSent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:24 PMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid The 'thing' is off course interesant,and seem to have both part of colocasia gigantea and alocasia cuculata.... But i don't think that the last pic(but pic number 1) is colocasia gigantea.Colocasia have more round leaves,in all plants that i know.This plant seem more a xanthosoma for me.And if i know that some cross were made between colocasia and alocasia,i don't think that it could be possible between xanthosoma and alocasia.Mr Hay?Mr Boyce?What are thinking the experts? ----- Original Message ----- From: Windy +More Aubrey To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid Hi, I thought this might be of interest to some of you Aroiders out there, so I thought I would share these images of something I found growing in the yard, and the two plants I suspect this new plant came from. In our yard, here on Oahu, we have a large patch of Colocasia gigantea growing somewhat wild and we also have two old Alocasia cuculata 'shrubs'. While clearing out some white ginger that was taking over, I came upon a small plant of something that was definitely different appearing from anything else in the yard. I cleared around it and let it grow. It's now been about 8 months since this discovery and it is turning out to be a really interesting plant. The blades are developing an interesting pucker between the veins. This characteristic is becoming more pronounced with each new blade as they harden off. I'll be interested in seeing if it obtains the proportions of the Colocasia gigantea. My only explanation for this plant is that it must be a natural hybrid of the two. Does anyone know if Alocasia cuculata been crossed with Colocasia gigantea intentionally before? and what do you call an Alocasia X Colocasia? Thanks, Windy Aubrey _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/07 14:31 _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Windy Aubrey" <exotics at hawaii.rr.com> on 2007.03.30 at 23:23:59(15537) Title: Message Thanks to Dennis and everyone else who set me on the right track. The one image is Xanthosoma, not an Colocasia, my mistake. +More Now I think what Denis is telling me might be the case here. I don't have any real idea where or what it came from. I only know that I never planted it and have never seen anything similar to it in the surrounding area before last summer. Next to A. cuculata, the 'thing's' blades look giant and it's still a young plant. I didn't think about that, but it could be a chromosome thing. You're right. It was suggested that it might be the Alocasia odora 'Indian', and although it does look similar, I think it is a little different at least at this stage. I'll post another image of this 'thing' in a few months, next to something for a size comparison. If it continues to pucker like it is doing now it will be really sharp plant to get into cultivation. I'm new to this forum, and have had a blast contributing and learning. Thanks again, Windy Aubrey ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Rotolante To: 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 4:43 AM Subject: RE: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid Could proposed natural hybrid merely be an aneuploid or polyploid seedling of Alocasia cucullata with thicker, broader leaves and more pronounced interveinal puckering? Whatever it is it is an improvement over plain old A. cucullata. See if it gets bigger than the standard cucullata when it matures. Denis Silver Krome Gardens -----Original Message-----From: aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces@gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of alocasiaSent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 1:24 PMTo: Discussion of aroidsSubject: Re: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid The 'thing' is off course interesant,and seem to have both part of colocasia gigantea and alocasia cuculata.... But i don't think that the last pic(but pic number 1) is colocasia gigantea.Colocasia have more round leaves,in all plants that i know.This plant seem more a xanthosoma for me.And if i know that some cross were made between colocasia and alocasia,i don't think that it could be possible between xanthosoma and alocasia.Mr Hay?Mr Boyce?What are thinking the experts? ----- Original Message ----- From: Windy Aubrey To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 10:50 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Natural Hybrid Hi, I thought this might be of interest to some of you Aroiders out there, so I thought I would share these images of something I found growing in the yard, and the two plants I suspect this new plant came from. In our yard, here on Oahu, we have a large patch of Colocasia gigantea growing somewhat wild and we also have two old Alocasia cuculata 'shrubs'. While clearing out some white ginger that was taking over, I came upon a small plant of something that was definitely different appearing from anything else in the yard. I cleared around it and let it grow. It's now been about 8 months since this discovery and it is turning out to be a really interesting plant. The blades are developing an interesting pucker between the veins. This characteristic is becoming more pronounced with each new blade as they harden off. I'll be interested in seeing if it obtains the proportions of the Colocasia gigantea. My only explanation for this plant is that it must be a natural hybrid of the two. Does anyone know if Alocasia cuculata been crossed with Colocasia gigantea intentionally before? and what do you call an Alocasia X Colocasia? Thanks, Windy Aubrey _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.18/734 - Release Date: 26/03/07 14:31 _______________________________________________Aroid-l mailing listAroid-l@gizmoworks.comhttp://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-l mailing list Aroid-l@gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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