arum question

From: tony at plantdelights.com (Tony Avent) on 2007.09.13 at 16:50:55(16280) Aroiders: At the risk of encouraging the wrath of the tuberous aroid detractors (probably phallus envy), I'm curious if anyone has had an Arum italicum clump that refused to go dormant in the summer, despite three weeks of 100 degree temperatures. It's almost time for them to start re-emerging and this one thinks it's still spring. -- Tony Avent +More Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony at plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent

From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2007.09.14 at 10:41:49(16284) The same with my Dracunculus vulgaris. Some days ago I noticed that it woke up and soon it will put up a leaf. I put the plant in a pot to a fridge, maybe it will prolongate its dormancy, but I think it's too late and I will have to take him back and let it grow. My Arum italicum often puts up leaves in autumn and they stay on the plant during all the winter. But Arum italicum is hardy in my area and Dracunculus vulg. probably not. Marek Argent +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Avent" To: "Aroid - L group" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] arum question > Aroiders: > > At the risk of encouraging the wrath of the tuberous aroid detractors > (probably phallus envy), I'm curious if anyone has had an Arum italicum > clump that refused to go dormant in the summer, despite three weeks of > 100 degree temperatures. It's almost time for them to start re-emerging > and this one thinks it's still spring. > > -- > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony at plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdelights.com > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least > three times" - Avent > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 2528 (20070913) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > >

From: crogers at ecoanalysts.com (D. Christopher Rogers) on 2007.09.14 at 15:55:23(16286) Hello, Tony! Maybe you are correct about the envy. But we must all remember that no matter which aroids we enjoy, we are all "brothers in arums". Yes, I have had that happen. It does not happen every year, but it does happen. I have a bed of A. italicum on the north side of my home, right under the condensation drip of my air conditioner. Additional shade is provided by a 1.5 meter Tasmanian tree fern and lots of sword fern. Add to that a top dressing of babies tears, and this one bed stays fairy cool and moist. As a result, a small fraction of plants do not go dormant during the summer about every three years or so. The plants that did not go dormant in the summer always do in the autumn, and start poking up again mid winter. I tried to recreate these conditions as an experiment and the tubers rotted. As a side issue, I have had an A. palestinum ecotype from Mt. Carmel break dormancy in July and August rather than December/January, but again not every year. Also, I think that CJ Addington has had A. pictum bloom in the spring rather than in the fall. In that same vein, I have one Pinellia pedatisecta starting to come up. It and all its buddies just went dormant a month and a half ago. Grins, Christopher +More D. Christopher Rogers Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist ((,///////////=====< EcoAnalysts, Inc. (530) 406-1178 707 Dead Cat Alley Suite 201 Woodland, CA 95695 USA ? Invertebrate Taxonomy ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies ? Bioassessment and Study Design ? Endangered Invertebrate Species ? Invasive Invertebrate Species ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton ? Zooplankton Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Joplin, MO ? Selinsgrove, PA www.ecoanalysts.com -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of Tony Avent Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:51 AM To: Aroid - L group Subject: [Aroid-l] arum question Aroiders: At the risk of encouraging the wrath of the tuberous aroid detractors (probably phallus envy), I'm curious if anyone has had an Arum italicum clump that refused to go dormant in the summer, despite three weeks of 100 degree temperatures. It's almost time for them to start re-emerging and this one thinks it's still spring. -- Tony Avent Plant Delights Nursery @ Juniper Level Botanic Garden 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F USDA Hardiness Zone 7b email tony at plantdelights.com website http://www.plantdelights.com phone 919 772-4794 fax 919 772-4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least three times" - Avent _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: agoston.janos123 at gmail.com (Jan Agoston) on 2007.09.15 at 07:01:53(16294) This is the same here... And this means I shall replant my tubers. Immediately... Bye, Jani +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Marek Argent To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] arum question The same with my Dracunculus vulgaris. Some days ago I noticed that it woke up and soon it will put up a leaf. I put the plant in a pot to a fridge, maybe it will prolongate its dormancy, but I think it's too late and I will have to take him back and let it grow. My Arum italicum often puts up leaves in autumn and they stay on the plant during all the winter. But Arum italicum is hardy in my area and Dracunculus vulg. probably not. Marek Argent ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Avent" To: "Aroid - L group" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] arum question > Aroiders: > > At the risk of encouraging the wrath of the tuberous aroid detractors > (probably phallus envy), I'm curious if anyone has had an Arum italicum > clump that refused to go dormant in the summer, despite three weeks of > 100 degree temperatures. It's almost time for them to start re-emerging > and this one thinks it's still spring. > > -- > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony at plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdelights.com > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least > three times" - Avent > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 2528 (20070913) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20070915/83718cc0/attachment.htm

From: tony at plantdelights.com (Tony Avent) on 2007.09.16 at 00:15:44(16296) Christopher: I guess our Arums forgot to read the books. Now, there must be a good reason why this happens. > Hello, Tony! +More > > Maybe you are correct about the envy. But we must all remember that no > matter which aroids we enjoy, we are all "brothers in arums". > > Yes, I have had that happen. It does not happen every year, but it does > happen. I have a bed of A. italicum on the north side of my home, right > under the condensation drip of my air conditioner. Additional shade is > provided by a 1.5 meter Tasmanian tree fern and lots of sword fern. Add to > that a top dressing of babies tears, and this one bed stays fairy cool and > moist. As a result, a small fraction of plants do not go dormant during > the > summer about every three years or so. The plants that did not go dormant > in > the summer always do in the autumn, and start poking up again mid winter. > I > tried to recreate these conditions as an experiment and the tubers rotted. > > As a side issue, I have had an A. palestinum ecotype from Mt. Carmel break > dormancy in July and August rather than December/January, but again not > every year. Also, I think that CJ Addington has had A. pictum bloom in the > spring rather than in the fall. > > In that same vein, I have one Pinellia pedatisecta starting to come up. It > and all its buddies just went dormant a month and a half ago. > > Grins, > Christopher > > D. Christopher Rogers > Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist > ((,///////////=====< > > EcoAnalysts, Inc. > (530) 406-1178 > 707 Dead Cat Alley > Suite 201 > Woodland, CA 95695 USA > > ? Invertebrate Taxonomy > ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies > ? Bioassessment and Study Design > ? Endangered Invertebrate Species > ? Invasive Invertebrate Species > ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton > ? Zooplankton > > > Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Joplin, MO ? Selinsgrove, PA > www.ecoanalysts.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of Tony Avent > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:51 AM > To: Aroid - L group > Subject: [Aroid-l] arum question > > Aroiders: > > At the risk of encouraging the wrath of the tuberous aroid detractors > (probably phallus envy), I'm curious if anyone has had an Arum italicum > clump that refused to go dormant in the summer, despite three weeks of > 100 degree temperatures. It's almost time for them to start re-emerging > and this one thinks it's still spring. > > -- > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony at plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdelights.com > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least > three > times" - Avent > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > Tony Avent USDA Zone 7b, (0-10F winter, 90-100F Summer) Plant Delights Nursery 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, NC 27603, USA ph 919.772.4794 fx 919.772.4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I've killed it myself...at least three times." - Avent

From: crogers at ecoanalysts.com (D. Christopher Rogers) on 2007.09.17 at 16:04:19(16303) Hiya Tony, Yes I agree! I forgot to mention that the plants that postpone and then abbreviate dormancy are typically sporting smaller leaves when they emerge again. This does not seem to be a positive strategy for the plants. Cheers, Christopher +More D. Christopher Rogers Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist ((,///////////=====< EcoAnalysts, Inc. (530) 406-1178 707 Dead Cat Alley Suite 201 Woodland, CA 95695 USA ? Invertebrate Taxonomy ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies ? Bioassessment and Study Design ? Endangered Invertebrate Species ? Invasive Invertebrate Species ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton ? Zooplankton Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Joplin, MO ? Selinsgrove, PA www.ecoanalysts.com -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of Tony Avent Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2007 5:16 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] arum question Christopher: I guess our Arums forgot to read the books. Now, there must be a good reason why this happens. > Hello, Tony! > > Maybe you are correct about the envy. But we must all remember that no > matter which aroids we enjoy, we are all "brothers in arums". > > Yes, I have had that happen. It does not happen every year, but it does > happen. I have a bed of A. italicum on the north side of my home, right > under the condensation drip of my air conditioner. Additional shade is > provided by a 1.5 meter Tasmanian tree fern and lots of sword fern. Add to > that a top dressing of babies tears, and this one bed stays fairy cool and > moist. As a result, a small fraction of plants do not go dormant during > the > summer about every three years or so. The plants that did not go dormant > in > the summer always do in the autumn, and start poking up again mid winter. > I > tried to recreate these conditions as an experiment and the tubers rotted. > > As a side issue, I have had an A. palestinum ecotype from Mt. Carmel break > dormancy in July and August rather than December/January, but again not > every year. Also, I think that CJ Addington has had A. pictum bloom in the > spring rather than in the fall. > > In that same vein, I have one Pinellia pedatisecta starting to come up. It > and all its buddies just went dormant a month and a half ago. > > Grins, > Christopher > > D. Christopher Rogers > Invertebrate Ecologist/Taxonomist > ((,///////////=====< > > EcoAnalysts, Inc. > (530) 406-1178 > 707 Dead Cat Alley > Suite 201 > Woodland, CA 95695 USA > > ? Invertebrate Taxonomy > ? Invertebrate Ecological Studies > ? Bioassessment and Study Design > ? Endangered Invertebrate Species > ? Invasive Invertebrate Species > ? Periphyton/ Phytoplankton > ? Zooplankton > > > Moscow, ID ? Bozeman, MT ? Woodland, CA ? Joplin, MO ? Selinsgrove, PA > www.ecoanalysts.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]On Behalf Of Tony Avent > Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:51 AM > To: Aroid - L group > Subject: [Aroid-l] arum question > > Aroiders: > > At the risk of encouraging the wrath of the tuberous aroid detractors > (probably phallus envy), I'm curious if anyone has had an Arum italicum > clump that refused to go dormant in the summer, despite three weeks of > 100 degree temperatures. It's almost time for them to start re-emerging > and this one thinks it's still spring. > > -- > Tony Avent > Plant Delights Nursery @ > Juniper Level Botanic Garden > 9241 Sauls Road > Raleigh, North Carolina 27603 USA > Minimum Winter Temps 0-5 F > Maximum Summer Temps 95-105F > USDA Hardiness Zone 7b > email tony at plantdelights.com > website http://www.plantdelights.com > phone 919 772-4794 > fax 919 772-4752 > "I consider every plant hardy until I have killed it myself...at least > three > times" - Avent > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > Tony Avent USDA Zone 7b, (0-10F winter, 90-100F Summer) Plant Delights Nursery 9241 Sauls Road Raleigh, NC 27603, USA ph 919.772.4794 fx 919.772.4752 "I consider every plant hardy until I've killed it myself...at least three times." - Avent _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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