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  Helicodiceros muscivorus
From: Doug Burdic <dburdic at presys.com> on 1997.10.01 at 03:33:22(1360)
Hi All,

I was wondering if anybody out there has had any luck growing
Helicodiceros muscivorus or knows of any sources for this plant. Like
Dracunculus, it is native to Corsica and Sardinia; very hard to
duplicate this Mediterranean climate in culture unless you live in
Southern California, or have a climate controlled greenhouse it seems.
I have a few, but as winter approaches, I am beginning to get paranoid
about losing them to the elements in my 'cold frame' greenhouse here on
the central Oregon coast. Mine plants never did that well this growing
season and would be interested in learning the cultural conditions that
other growers of Helicodiceros are using.

Hopefully in the future, we can have cultural information for all genera
and most species linked to the IAS home page. This would sure prove to
be an invaluable tool for all of us.

Here is a URL that you might enjoy regarding this plant:


Thanks in advance for any cultural advice & source information on this
plant. I don't hold out much hope that Helicodiceos is widely cultivated
but it's worth a shot.

Kind Regards,


From: "Carlo A. Balistrieri" <cabalist at facstaff.wisc.edu> on 1997.10.02 at 03:42:19(1365)
I grow mine under lights in the basement. I haven't had them very long and
haven't bloomed them yet but they're still with me.

It's easier to grow under lights than to move in and out based on weather.


From: MJ Hatfield <oneota at ames.net> on 1997.10.02 at 13:39:21(1368)
What did you use for potting medium? How dry do you let the plants get
before watering? Tell us anything about the culture.
MJ Hatfield

From: Diane Whitehead <ua024 at freenet.victoria.bc.ca> on 1997.10.02 at 16:18:07(1370)
Brian Mathew includes a bit about H. muscivorus in the latest edition of
the Bulb Newsletter (July-Sept '97). He is describing a few of the bulbs
offered in the 97/98 Avon Bulbs catalogue, and says that the
helicodiceros requires a cold greenhouse in England.
Diane Whitehead Victoria BC Canada

From: Doug Burdic <dburdic at presys.com> on 1997.10.02 at 22:12:26(1371)
Hi Diane,

Thanks for your information on Helicodiceros muscivorus. A cold
greenhouse is exactly what I have in fact. I will see if Avon Bulbs
Catalogue is online, but if it isn't, is there an address or phone
number where one could obtain a copy, as well as information on the
'Bulb Newsletter'?

Again, thanks for taking the time to post this information. :)

Take Care,


From: "Carlo A. Balistrieri" <cabalist at facstaff.wisc.edu> on 1997.10.03 at 03:17:35(1375)
At 08:42 AM 10/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>What did you use for potting medium? How dry do you let the plants get
>before watering? Tell us anything about the culture.
>MJ Hatfield

First, I'm no expert with these and haven't grown them long. I've got them
on the basement floor with HPS fixtures at the ceiling. They are potted in a
mix of fine bark, peat and grit (to keep the medium from packing together).
While dormant, I kept them just moist--actually only misting heavily rather
than watering. When awake I water more heavily and keep the medium moist.
Since the mix was fresh, I did not feritlize but will add some osmocote or
soluble fertilizer this next growing season. Aphids seem to love these (and
other aroids) from when they are just nibs beginning to grow all the way
through their cycle. The only rest from attack that they get is when they
are dormant (Hmmm.)


From: StroWi at t-online.de (StroWi) on 2001.07.22 at 22:34:47(7087)
Dear All,

after reading about H.m and seeing the pictures of Alan Galloway some month ago,
I would be interested in getting a tuber or seed of this species.

Could someone give advice how to do this???


From: "StroWi at t-online.de" StroWi at t-online.de> on 2005.09.01 at 20:11:06(13332)

is Helicodiceros muscivorus a protected species in Sardinia? More
specified, is it allowed or forbidden collect plants and/or seeds?

Bernhard Strolka.

From: Marc Gibernau gibernau at cict.fr> on 2005.09.05 at 06:54:45(13339)
Dear Bernhard,

Until now, Italia and Sardinia had no protective laws for plant, but it
will change at the end of the year. A law for protecting all endemic plants
has been voted and will be applied in the next month.
I don't know yet if Helicodiceros muscivorus is considered as en endemic.

Sincerely yours,

Marc Gibernau

From: "StroWi at t-online.de" StroWi at t-online.de> on 2005.09.06 at 04:56:17(13341)
Dear Marc,

thank you very much for the information.

Good to read that the authorities take steps in that direction. However,
I hope they will take into consideration, if a species is really
endangered, let alone, if it is endemic or not.

Friends went to Sardinia last weekend and I asked them not to touch a
plant in the wild, but rather try to look for an plant nursery that
might offer tubers.

From: Baumfarn Webmaster webmaster at baumfarn.at> on 2005.11.02 at 17:36:29(13489)
During summer I got finally some bulbs.

I tried to fool them and placed the bulbs in the refrigerator, to force
them to stay dormant during winter and get green in spring.

Today I checked the bulbs and one (out of four) is already thriving.

Now the big question is what to do. The winter is far below 0 C here in
Vienna, the fall around 0 C. That seems to cold for old musci.

Shall I put the pots indoor with insufficient light or shall I
leave them in the fridge. It still seems to me the best to leave them

From: plantguy at zoominternet.net> on 2005.11.03 at 04:21:22(13498)
Hi Peter, I'm not sure you can fool mother
nature!!! Since they are winter growing I'd personally recommned growing
them in a cool place like a basement under grow lights in the absence of a cold
greenhouse of cold frame. I have done this for 3 years now with a
reasonable level of success. I've got several that have just emerged from
dormancy or are just gettng going now along with my Dracunculus canariensis and
an Arum or two. Until we have some significant freezes I let them stay
outside and once it gets too cold I'll put them under the grow lights.
Hopefully other northern growers without the benefit of a GH will be able to
comment further.

From: plantguy at zoominternet.net (Daniel Devor) on 2007.10.18 at 22:12:59(16533)
I am wondering if there is any interest in Helicodiceros muscivorus tubers?? I had my friend ask me if I wanted to import any, but since I have this species I am not personally interested in more of them. If there is interest amongst the membership I can do this, but otherwise I will not waste my time. I can say that I got mine from this person and they are true to name based on leaf form, growing season, tuber appearance, etc....mine have not bloomed and given my growing climate likely never will....almost time for the compost heap to be honest!!

As there is a policy about not discussing price here I can only say that you will need to contact me in the next day or so and I can let you know the cost of the tubers. I have aksed him how much it will cost to ship perhaps 12-25 tubers to the U.S. so hopefully he will get back to me about that cost as well as the phyto fees.

I do not think this is a very unusal item (I tend to think if I have it then it is not that uncommon), but perhaps there are enough people that do not have it and just absolutely need another stinky aroid in their collection :o)

He also grows Dracunculus canariensis if anyone likes those....mine grew for 2 years, bloomed and promptly bit the dust the following year....go figure!!

Shoot me off an e-mail at: plantguy at zoominternet.net if you are interested.

Good growing everyone,


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