Alocasia advincula 'Bat Wing'

From: alan_galloway at bellsouth.net (Alan Galloway) on 2007.12.29 at 03:00:29(16861) A friend of mine from the Philippines asked me to post the following: ---- The bat alocasia (from Aklan, Panay Island) is finally described. +More George Yao posted it in Aroideana as Alocasia advincula 2 years ago. The problem is that it was not described scientifically and the name advincula was published. this resulted in nomen nudum and advincula grex may not be used again for Alocasia. Lanie medecilo finally submitted Alocasia nycteris Medicilo, Yao et Madulid. That is now the official name. Please inform all aroiders of the change. i believe the different collectors in US are using Alocasia advincula "Bat Wing". ---- I found photos online of this Alocasia at: http://www.alsgh.com/phtml/111page.html Alan

From: gcyao at mydestiny.net (George Yao) on 2007.12.30 at 10:54:38(16864) Hello Alan and everyone, This is to set the record straight, with no intention to blame anyone whatsoever, and hopefully to shed some light on the do's and don'ts in using scientific names. First of all, the article about the bat alocasia was not published in Aroideana, but rather, in the newsletter. Second, I did not post it on my own. I responded to a question about Alocasia Advincula on this list and enlightened the list on the source of the alocasia in question. Later on, my explanation appeared in the newsletter in an article under my name. The article was essentially quoting what I wrote to this list. Since I was not misquoted, I didn't think any more of it. Questions: Does using an undescribed scientific name in the newsletter have the same effect as using it in Aroideana, in terms of the name being pre-empted, that is? Does the same hold true for using an undescribed scientific name on this list? The name A. Advincula was used not as a scientific name, but rather as an identifier, Advincula being the name of the person who brought it into cultivation. Question: Does this usage make it a scientific name? George Yao +More Metro-Manila Philippines At 12/29/2007 11:00 AM, you wrote: >A friend of mine from the Philippines asked me to post the following: > >---- >The bat alocasia (from Aklan, Panay Island) is finally described. >George Yao posted it in Aroideana as Alocasia advincula 2 years ago. The >problem is that it was not described scientifically and the name advincula >was published. this resulted in nomen nudum and advincula grex may not be >used again for Alocasia. >Lanie medecilo finally submitted Alocasia nycteris Medicilo, Yao et Madulid. >That is now the official name. Please inform all aroiders of the change. i >believe the different collectors in US are using Alocasia advincula "Bat >Wing". >---- > >I found photos online of this Alocasia at: >http://www.alsgh.com/phtml/111page.html > >Alan > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: >12/28/2007 11:51 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 12/29/2007 1:27 PM

From: Thomas.Croat at mobot.org (Tom Croat) on 2008.01.02 at 18:30:43(16880) Aroiders: No one should use scientific sounding names loosely. If you know it is a cultivar call it some name that does not make it look like a published (or publishable) name. If we do this the confusion will be avoided. Tom +More -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of George Yao Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 4:55 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Alocasia advincula 'Bat Wing' Hello Alan and everyone, This is to set the record straight, with no intention to blame anyone whatsoever, and hopefully to shed some light on the do's and don'ts in using scientific names. First of all, the article about the bat alocasia was not published in Aroideana, but rather, in the newsletter. Second, I did not post it on my own. I responded to a question about Alocasia Advincula on this list and enlightened the list on the source of the alocasia in question. Later on, my explanation appeared in the newsletter in an article under my name. The article was essentially quoting what I wrote to this list. Since I was not misquoted, I didn't think any more of it. Questions: Does using an undescribed scientific name in the newsletter have the same effect as using it in Aroideana, in terms of the name being pre-empted, that is? Does the same hold true for using an undescribed scientific name on this list? The name A. Advincula was used not as a scientific name, but rather as an identifier, Advincula being the name of the person who brought it into cultivation. Question: Does this usage make it a scientific name? George Yao Metro-Manila Philippines At 12/29/2007 11:00 AM, you wrote: >A friend of mine from the Philippines asked me to post the following: > >---- >The bat alocasia (from Aklan, Panay Island) is finally described. >George Yao posted it in Aroideana as Alocasia advincula 2 years ago. The >problem is that it was not described scientifically and the name advincula >was published. this resulted in nomen nudum and advincula grex may not be >used again for Alocasia. >Lanie medecilo finally submitted Alocasia nycteris Medicilo, Yao et Madulid. >That is now the official name. Please inform all aroiders of the change. i >believe the different collectors in US are using Alocasia advincula "Bat >Wing". >---- > >I found photos online of this Alocasia at: >http://www.alsgh.com/phtml/111page.html > >Alan > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.11/1201 - Release Date: >12/28/2007 11:51 AM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1202 - Release Date: 12/29/2007 1:27 PM _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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