Typhonium (giganteum) behaviour

From: "James W. Waddick" <jim-jim at swbell.net> on 1997.10.08 at 15:52:36(1406) Dear Wilbert; Does your observation include Typhonium giganteum? My plants get bigger each year (including the tubers) and mulitply. I only grow these outdoors in my cold climate garden. And they are consistently incredibly late in rising. I usually get 'antsy' thinking they have finally died the previous winter. Of course I only grow a few species, but this one has a very short growth period. Thanks and Best Jim W. James W. Waddick Voice: 816 746 1949 8871 NW Brostrom Rd E-MAIL: jim-jim@swbell.net Kansas City MO 64152 Fax: 816 746 1939 Zone 5/6 - +More Winter low -10°F Summer high +100°F

From: Wilbert Hetterscheid <hetter at vkc.nl> on 1997.10.09 at 13:36:47(1412) Dear Jim, Since Typhonium giganteum is one of the few cold-resistant species, I also grow it in temperate conditions and it DOEs always appear very late here too. It is now shedding its leaves. I grow them frost-free though. They flower each year a fraction before the leaves appear full scale. It is a real tough one, so my warnings in my previous message do not apply to this monster. And of course Typhonium venosum is an exception too.............. +More Cheers, Wilbert

From: Steve Marak <samarak at arachne.uark.edu> on 1997.10.09 at 16:50:22(1413) On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: > to this monster. And of course Typhonium venosum is an exception > too.............. > Did anyone else notice how subtly Wilbert slipped this name change in on us? (Not that we haven't been warned, several times.) Does this mean it's official now? Sauromatum is no more? Did both species wind up in Typhonium? Ah well, a Sauromatum by any other name would smell as foul. Steve +More -- Steve Marak -- samarak@arachne.uark.edu

From: "James W. Waddick" <jim-jim at swbell.net> on 1997.10.09 at 16:59:24(1414) Dear Wilbert Give me a few hints. I grow mine in an intemperate climate (got to -14 F last winter) and T. giganteum comes up late. I have only had bloom and seed once. I grow mine in a fairly shady site, but the only one to bloom was in a mostly sunny site. What can you suggest sunnier or shadier? They are late in either site. Mine are still in full leaf now and look very happy. They'll stay up until frost hits them. Doesn't sound exactly like your experiences. best Thanks Jim James W. Waddick Voice: 816 746 1949 8871 NW Brostrom Rd E-MAIL: jim-jim@swbell.net Kansas City MO 64152 Fax: 816 746 1939 Zone 5/6 - +More Winter low -10°F Summer high +100°F

From: "Alan Galloway" <alan at unity.ncsu.edu> on 1997.10.09 at 18:56:22(1416) On Oct 9, 11:55am, Steve Marak wrote: > Subject: RE: Typhonium (giganteum) behaviour > On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: +More > > > to this monster. And of course Typhonium venosum is an exception > > too.............. > > > > Did anyone else notice how subtly Wilbert slipped this name change in on > us? (Not that we haven't been warned, several times.) Does this mean it's > official now? Sauromatum is no more? Did both species wind up in > Typhonium? > > Ah well, a Sauromatum by any other name would smell as foul. > Yes Steve, I caught that too! I was about to post to the list, "Should I replace my labels this afternoon or wait a bit longer?" The T. giganteum tuber that I received a couple of years ago bloomed this year also, but sadly withered within a day and a half after I first noticed it and I missed the opportunity to photograph it. Alan -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Alan Galloway alan_galloway@ncsu.edu Computing Services, Information Technology Campus Box 7109 North Carolina State University (phone) 919-515-5483 Raleigh, NC 27695-7109 (fax) 919-515-3787

From: Lester Kallus <lkallus at earthlink.net> on 1997.10.09 at 19:17:54(1417) Hey don't complain. I purchased my Arum venosums from Van Bourgondien's just 10 years ago only to learn that they're actually Sauromatum venosums... I mean Typhonium venosums... I mean... This convinces me that there truly is a secret multinational committee that convenes specifically to change the names of a few plants every year. Les +More http://www.i2.i-2000.com/~lkallus/aroids/plnthome.htm At 11:52 AM 10/9/97 -0500, you wrote: >On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: > >> to this monster. And of course Typhonium venosum is an exception >> too.............. >> > >Did anyone else notice how subtly Wilbert slipped this name change in on >us? (Not that we haven't been warned, several times.) Does this mean it's >official now? Sauromatum is no more? Did both species wind up in >Typhonium? > >Ah well, a Sauromatum by any other name would smell as foul. > >Steve > >-- Steve Marak >-- samarak@arachne.uark.edu

From: Rand Nicholson <writserv at nbnet.nb.ca> on 1997.10.09 at 19:26:55(1418) >On Thu, 9 Oct 1997, Wilbert Hetterscheid wrote: > >> to this monster. And of course Typhonium venosum is an exception +More >> too.............. >> > >Did anyone else notice how subtly Wilbert slipped this name change in on >us? (Not that we haven't been warned, several times.) Does this mean it's >official now? Sauromatum is no more? Did both species wind up in >Typhonium? > >Ah well, a Sauromatum by any other name would smell as foul. > >Steve > >-- Steve Marak >-- samarak@arachne.uark.edu Damn! I was just getting used to S. _venosum_ as opposed to guttatum! When will it ever end??? I'm gonna have to stop growing these things. Rand Rand Nicholson New Brunswick Maritime Canada, Z 5b

From: SNALICE at aol.com on 1997.10.10 at 18:39:18(1419) >>>Damn! I was just getting used to S. _venosum_ as opposed to guttatum! When will it ever end??? I'm gonna have to stop growing these things. Rand +More Rand Nicholson New Brunswick Maritime Canada, Z 5b Ok, so will someone say it like it is.....Sauromatum Typhonium guttatum venosum???? I'm confused. I JUST learned Sauromatum venosum too! I've got to have a name for it no matter HOW much it stinks! By the way, can someone tell me if this one is the VooDoo lily? Somewhere way back, for some reason, I got that impression. Sue Zunino

From: Wilbert Hetterscheid <hetter at vkc.nl> on 1997.10.10 at 18:50:58(1420) Dear Jim, My plants never get a frost yet they die down anyway, so I guess they have a limited growing period and get their thing done in that time in my conditions. T. giganteum can stand FULL sun and will perform best in that condition. The leaves may get a little smaller than the outrageous near 100 cm length mine get in semi-shade but that isn't a problem. Say, did you get SEEDS on them? How did THAT happen? Mine never do but I haven't tried to do it by hand (......) yet. Did your plant seed spontaneously? Did you make a photo of the seedhead? What happened to the spathe in fruit? Did it remain dried on the fruiting head or was it shed before that? Thanks for any answers! Cheers, Wilbert +More > ---------- > From: James W. Waddick[SMTP:jim-jim@swbell.net] > Reply To: aroid-l@mobot.org > Sent: donderdag 9 oktober 1997 17:57 > To: hetter@VKC.NL > Subject: RE: Typhonium (giganteum) behaviour > > Dear Wilbert > Give me a few hints. I grow mine in an intemperate climate (got > to > -14 F last winter) and T. giganteum comes up late. I have only had > bloom > and seed once. I grow mine in a fairly shady site, but the only one to > bloom was in a mostly sunny site. What can you suggest sunnier or > shadier? > They are late in either site. > Mine are still in full leaf now and look very happy. They'll > stay > up until frost hits them. Doesn't sound exactly like your experiences. > > best Thanks Jim > > > James W. Waddick Voice: 816 746 1949 > 8871 NW Brostrom Rd E-MAIL: jim-jim@swbell.net > Kansas City MO 64152 Fax: 816 746 1939 > Zone 5/6 - > Winter low -10°F > Summer high +100°F > > >

From: "James W. Waddick" <jim-jim at swbell.net> on 1997.10.11 at 05:21:31(1425) Dear Wilbert; Oh the embarassment of it all. The one time my T. giganteum made seeds I was only a passing observer -sort of. +More The plant was in most sun and I never saw the flower-not a hint, but near frost I found a fruit obviously attached to the plant the size shape and color of a mid-pastel raspberry about 1 inch in diameter. I totally missed the flower so can't tell you nuttin' about size, color, shape etc. Alas. And I did nothing to encourage fruit set either...I was an uninvovled seed collector only. I separated each fruit segement (each seemed to contain a single seed) and dried them for about 6 months. I eventually sent a few away and germinated most of the rest. Sent off a few seedlings and finally planted the rest outdoors and they have come up again after our cold -14 F winter. So I now have a colony of seedlings. Best I could do. Thanks Jim W. James W. Waddick Voice: 816 746 1949 8871 NW Brostrom Rd E-MAIL: jim-jim@swbell.net Kansas City MO 64152 Fax: 816 746 1939 Zone 5/6 - Winter low -10°F Summer high +100°F

From: Krzysztof Kozminski <kk at netgate.net> on 1997.10.11 at 14:45:10(1428) >Rand Nicholson wrote: >Ok, so will someone say it like it is.....Sauromatum Typhonium guttatum >venosum???? +More This would be still incorrect. It should be more like: Arum Jaimenostia Sauromatum Typhonium cornutum guttatum venosum. Did I miss any ?-) >Sue Zunino wrote: >By the way, can someone >tell me if this one is the VooDoo lily? Somewhere way back, for some reason, >I got that impression. Yes indeed, Sunset and a couple of bulb sources do call it that. KK ====================================== Krzysztof Kozminski http://www.net#gate.net/~kk/ (remove # before browsing) kk@net#gate.net (remove # before replying) "Applying computer technology is simply finding the right wrench to pound in the correct screw."

From: SNALICE at aol.com on 1997.10.12 at 01:25:52(1429) Thank you Krzysztof! If there is no more past title history to this plant, I will go ahead and lable it 'Arum Jaimenostia Sauromatum Typhonium cornutum guttatum venosum....VooDoo lily'. Future names can always be added. It seems to me that in a couple of decades it should still be identifiable by tracing the names......unless the plant dies. Sue

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