Cryptocoryne Leaves

From: ted.held at us.henkel.com (ted.held at us.henkel.com) on 2008.03.20 at 20:36:17(17195) Marek, Cryptocoryne leaves are adaptable things. If you plant three plants, each in a different water level, you will typically get three different leaf morphologies. If you switch one of those plants to another water depth you may lose all the existing leaves, since those leaves are probably not well suited to the new environment. New leaves that emerge in the new situation will be suited to the new conditions. You hear that this or that Crypt plant has two different-looking leaves on the same plant. This is what has happened to create such plants. This means that if you buy a plant with soft leaves and plant it emerse, the old leaves will lay around and look strange for a couple of months (if they don't die first). But any new leaves will be comparatively tough and stand tall, more or less, in the emerse situation. I know this list has a devil of a time with plant IDs. Believe me, Crypts are ridiculously more complex if the leaves are all you have to go on. Then there are the issues of rampant polyploidy, unscrupulous importers and dealers, poor historical records regarding IDs and collection locations, and only a handful of real specialist hobbyists. I'm just glad you have a couple of plants and have taken the time to observe them. Ted. +More -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080320/95fb65bf/attachment-0001.htm

From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2008.03.21 at 18:06:47(17200) I know, Ted, I've read it all an a German book "Aquarienpfanzen" by Christel Kasselmann (Editor - ULMER). There are about 50 species presented in submerse and emerse. I don't have the original book, only the b/w xero, but it is a very valuable book for crypts growers. Marek +More ----- Original Message ----- From: ted.held at us.henkel.com To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:36 PM Subject: [Aroid-l] Cryptocoryne Leaves Marek, Cryptocoryne leaves are adaptable things. If you plant three plants, each in a different water level, you will typically get three different leaf morphologies. If you switch one of those plants to another water depth you may lose all the existing leaves, since those leaves are probably not well suited to the new environment. New leaves that emerge in the new situation will be suited to the new conditions. You hear that this or that Crypt plant has two different-looking leaves on the same plant. This is what has happened to create such plants. This means that if you buy a plant with soft leaves and plant it emerse, the old leaves will lay around and look strange for a couple of months (if they don't die first). But any new leaves will be comparatively tough and stand tall, more or less, in the emerse situation. I know this list has a devil of a time with plant IDs. Believe me, Crypts are ridiculously more complex if the leaves are all you have to go on. Then there are the issues of rampant polyploidy, unscrupulous importers and dealers, poor historical records regarding IDs and collection locations, and only a handful of real specialist hobbyists. I'm just glad you have a couple of plants and have taken the time to observe them. Ted. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 2965 (20080320) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080321/f6110121/attachment.htm

From: hermine at endangeredspecies.com (hermine) on 2008.03.21 at 20:17:42(17201) At 11:06 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >I know, Ted, I've read it all an a German book "Aquarienpfanzen" by >Christel Kasselmann (Editor - ULMER). There are about 50 species >presented in submerse and emerse. I don't have the original book, >only the b/w xero, but it is a very valuable book for crypts growers. > >Marek I had aquariums as a child as an excuse to grow underwater plants of which Cryptocorynes were the best. I also remember an impossible plant, the MADAGASCAR LACE LEAF PLANT, never survived when purchased anywhere and the only place that had it was AQUASTOCK in NY, the Axelrod store..... hermine +More -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080321/30d7d227/attachment-0001.htm

From: jpcferry2 at wanadoo.fr (Famille FERRY) on 2008.03.22 at 17:42:14(17204) Hello, I have a beautiful german book "Aquarienpflanzen" of H .C. D DE WIT, publishing ULMER 1990. A hundred pages concerns Crytocorynes . I do not know the book of Christel Kasselmann. Sincerely, Genevi?ve Ferry +More ----- Original Message ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: hermine To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Cryptocoryne Leaves At 11:06 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: I know, Ted, I've read it all an a German book "Aquarienpfanzen" by Christel Kasselmann (Editor - ULMER). There are about 50 species presented in submerse and emerse. I don't have the original book, only the b/w xero, but it is a very valuable book for crypts growers. Marek I had aquariums as a child as an excuse to grow underwater plants of which Cryptocorynes were the best. I also remember an impossible plant, the MADAGASCAR LACE LEAF PLANT, never survived when purchased anywhere and the only place that had it was AQUASTOCK in NY, the Axelrod store..... hermine ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080322/0acdd6fa/attachment.htm

From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2008.03.22 at 22:07:24(17207) It was Aponogeton madagascariensis (not an aroid - Alismataceae) Marek +More ----- Original Message ----- From: hermine To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Cryptocoryne Leaves At 11:06 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: I know, Ted, I've read it all an a German book "Aquarienpfanzen" by Christel Kasselmann (Editor - ULMER). There are about 50 species presented in submerse and emerse. I don't have the original book, only the b/w xero, but it is a very valuable book for crypts growers. Marek I had aquariums as a child as an excuse to grow underwater plants of which Cryptocorynes were the best. I also remember an impossible plant, the MADAGASCAR LACE LEAF PLANT, never survived when purchased anywhere and the only place that had it was AQUASTOCK in NY, the Axelrod store..... hermine __________ NOD32 Informacje 2967 (20080321) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 2967 (20080321) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080322/ae2f4cf8/attachment-0001.htm

From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2008.03.22 at 22:52:43(17208) Maybe this is the same book, I have only front cover with this name and pages about Cryptocoryne and Anubias. Marek +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Famille FERRY To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Cryptocoryne Leaves Hello, I have a beautiful german book "Aquarienpflanzen" of H .C. D DE WIT, publishing ULMER 1990. A hundred pages concerns Crytocorynes . I do not know the book of Christel Kasselmann. Sincerely, Genevi?ve Ferry ----- Original Message ----- ----- Original Message ----- From: hermine To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Cryptocoryne Leaves At 11:06 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: I know, Ted, I've read it all an a German book "Aquarienpfanzen" by Christel Kasselmann (Editor - ULMER). There are about 50 species presented in submerse and emerse. I don't have the original book, only the b/w xero, but it is a very valuable book for crypts growers. Marek I had aquariums as a child as an excuse to grow underwater plants of which Cryptocorynes were the best. I also remember an impossible plant, the MADAGASCAR LACE LEAF PLANT, never survived when purchased anywhere and the only place that had it was AQUASTOCK in NY, the Axelrod store..... hermine ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 2967 (20080321) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 2967 (20080321) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080322/5bf655c5/attachment-0001.htm

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