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From: hermine at endangeredspecies.com (hermine) on 2008.06.04 at 22:42:09(17740) At 06:39 AM 6/4/2008, ExoticRainforest wrote: >Leland recommended I contact Robbin C. Moran, Ph.D., Curator of >Ferns at the New York Botanical Garden. This is Robbin's response >as to my identifications on both species of club moss. > >Looks like I'll be changing the genus on the second one! I had not been to the bamboo (American Bamboo Society) website for several months because of a tiff (atomic war) but i see that some plants have been taken from their previous genus, placed in a new, sometimes entirely NEWLY named Genus, and have now reverted to the original genus as of say, 18 months ago. I am not going into the previous history of the name prior to 18 months ago because over decades THAT was an ugly business. What I mean is HOW IS A GIRL TO KEEP UP WITH THIS STUPH? Between the Sansevieria Wars, the Gasteria Wars, the Palm Wars, the Cycad Wars, the FERN WARS! THE FERN WARS, how can this be? and the Datura/Brugsmansia wars, I am almost out of brain tissue. +More The Ferns at the NYBG were so terrific about 40 years ago that a person could have wept from the not having of each and every one of them. I thought I should say that. By the way You Exotic, posted a picture of a philodendron with heart shaped leaves and some orange tint, and although this is not HELPFUL INFORMATION, i will mention that I picked up one of this in a random fitful purchase many years ago at something like whatever was HOME DEPOT before there was home depot... and what of Zamiaculcas Zamiafolia, that is REALLY an aroid or what? hermine

From: harrywitmore at witmore.net (Harry Witmore) on 2008.06.04 at 23:21:27(17742) This seems strange to me. Robbin recommends Barbara Joe Hoshizaki's book which considers both of the species as Lycopodium.but he says both are Huperzia. Barbara's book is very technical and a great resource to id ferns. Harry Witmore +More Cloud Jungle Epiphytes HYPERLINK "http://www.cloudjungle.com/"www.cloudjungle.com _____ From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of ExoticRainforest Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:39 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] message from Robbin C. Moran regarding my identificationof the club mosses Leland recommended I contact Robbin C. Moran, Ph.D., Curator of Ferns at the New York Botanical Garden. This is Robbin's response as to my identifications on both species of club moss. Looks like I'll be changing the genus on the second one! Steve Lucas HYPERLINK "http://www.ExoticRainforest.com"www.ExoticRainforest.com Dear Steve, I agree that the plant on your web site is correctly identified as Huperzia phlegmaria. The one in the attached images you sent is H. nummulariifolia (Blume) Chambers, Jermy & Crabbe. Its wide elliptic leaves, appressed to the stem, are unique within the genus, as far as I know. Both are Old World species, and my expertise is primarily on New World tropical ferns, so I don?t have any interesting stories to tell you about them--sorry! I do, however, have two books that might help you in the future with information for your web site. One is about fern cultivation: Fern Grower?s Manual (with first author Barabara Joe Hoshizaki) and the other is A Natural History of Ferns (Timber Press, 2004). The latter is a popular (i.e., non-technical) book about ferns and lycophytes. It is not an identification guide, but tells about what ferns are doing in nature. Many of the things you mention on your web page for H. phlegmaria are also discussed in that book. Good luck with your web site! Best wishes, Robbin Robbin C. Moran, Ph.D. Curator of Ferns The New York Botanical Garden 200th Street & Southern Blvd. Bronx, NY 10458-5126 U.S.A. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 12:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6 - Release Date: 6/3/2008 12:00 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080604/9d770349/attachment-0001.htm

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.05 at 12:47:08(17752) Dear Harry, Aloha. Barbara Joe Hoshizaki should be contacted and asked about the status of Huperzia in her opinion. If you look at,The Fern Grower's Manual, you will notice that the junior author is Dr. Robbin C. Moran. I agree that this is a wonderful reference for fern and fern allies...but it was published in 2001. Aloha, Leland +More --- Harry Witmore wrote: > This seems strange to me. Robbin recommends Barbara > Joe Hoshizaki's book > which considers both of the species as > Lycopodium.but he says both are > Huperzia. Barbara's book is very technical and a > great resource to id ferns. > > Harry Witmore > Cloud Jungle Epiphytes > HYPERLINK > "http://www.cloudjungle.com/"www.cloudjungle.com > > > _____ > > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] > On Behalf Of ExoticRainforest > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:39 AM > To: Discussion of aroids > Subject: [Aroid-l] message from Robbin C. Moran > regarding my > identificationof the club mosses > > > Leland recommended I contact Robbin C. Moran, Ph.D., > Curator of Ferns at the > New York Botanical Garden. This is Robbin's > response as to my > identifications on both species of club moss. > > Looks like I'll be changing the genus on the second > one! > > Steve Lucas > HYPERLINK > "http://www.ExoticRainforest.com"www.ExoticRainforest.com > > > Dear Steve, > > I agree that the plant on your web site is correctly > identified as Huperzia > phlegmaria. The one in the attached images you sent > is H. nummulariifolia > (Blume) Chambers, Jermy & Crabbe. Its wide elliptic > leaves, appressed to the > stem, are unique within the genus, as far as I know. > Both are Old World > species, and my expertise is primarily on New World > tropical ferns, so I > don?t have any interesting stories to tell you about > them--sorry! I do, > however, have two books that might help you in the > future with information > for your web site. One is about fern cultivation: > Fern Grower?s Manual (with > first author Barabara Joe Hoshizaki) and the other > is A Natural History of > Ferns (Timber Press, 2004). The latter is a popular > (i.e., non-technical) > book about ferns and lycophytes. It is not an > identification guide, but > tells about what ferns are doing in nature. Many of > the things you mention > on your web page for H. phlegmaria are also > discussed in that book. > > Good luck with your web site! > > Best wishes, > Robbin > > Robbin C. Moran, Ph.D. > Curator of Ferns > The New York Botanical Garden > 200th Street & Southern Blvd. > Bronx, NY 10458-5126 U.S.A. > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6 - > Release Date: 6/3/2008 12:00 > AM > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6 - > Release Date: 6/3/2008 12:00 > AM > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >

From: gcyao at mydestiny.net (George Yao) on 2008.06.06 at 02:26:02(17764) Hello, Barbara brought me around during my recent trip to LA. She is not a taxonomist and her The Fern Grower's Manual is more focused on fern horticulture than proper taxonomic ID. While, through her extensive experience with ferns, she has become very proficient in identifying ferns and fern allies, she seemed more inclined to just let the taxonomic experts work out the proper scientific names, and then take it from there. George Yao +More Metro-Manila Philippiines At 6/5/2008 08:47 PM, you wrote: >Dear Harry, > >Aloha. > >Barbara Joe Hoshizaki should be contacted and asked >about the status of Huperzia in her opinion. If you >look at,The Fern Grower's Manual, you will notice that >the junior author is Dr. Robbin C. Moran. > >I agree that this is a wonderful reference for fern >and fern allies...but it was published in 2001. > >Aloha, > >Leland > >--- Harry Witmore wrote: > > > This seems strange to me. Robbin recommends Barbara > > Joe Hoshizaki's book > > which considers both of the species as > > Lycopodium.but he says both are > > Huperzia. Barbara's book is very technical and a > > great resource to id ferns. > > > > Harry Witmore > > Cloud Jungle Epiphytes > > HYPERLINK > > "http://www.cloudjungle.com/"www.cloudjungle.com > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com > > [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] > > On Behalf Of ExoticRainforest > > Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2008 9:39 AM > > To: Discussion of aroids > > Subject: [Aroid-l] message from Robbin C. Moran > > regarding my > > identificationof the club mosses > > > > > > Leland recommended I contact Robbin C. Moran, Ph.D., > > Curator of Ferns at the > > New York Botanical Garden. This is Robbin's > > response as to my > > identifications on both species of club moss. > > > > Looks like I'll be changing the genus on the second > > one! > > > > Steve Lucas > > HYPERLINK > > >"http://www.ExoticRainforest.com"www.ExoticRainforest.com > > > > > > Dear Steve, > > > > I agree that the plant on your web site is correctly > > identified as Huperzia > > phlegmaria. The one in the attached images you sent > > is H. nummulariifolia > > (Blume) Chambers, Jermy & Crabbe. Its wide elliptic > > leaves, appressed to the > > stem, are unique within the genus, as far as I know. > > Both are Old World > > species, and my expertise is primarily on New World > > tropical ferns, so I > > don't have any interesting stories to tell you about > > them--sorry! I do, > > however, have two books that might help you in the > > future with information > > for your web site. One is about fern cultivation: > > Fern Grower's Manual (with > > first author Barabara Joe Hoshizaki) and the other > > is A Natural History of > > Ferns (Timber Press, 2004). The latter is a popular > > (i.e., non-technical) > > book about ferns and lycophytes. It is not an > > identification guide, but > > tells about what ferns are doing in nature. Many of > > the things you mention > > on your web page for H. phlegmaria are also > > discussed in that book. > > > > Good luck with your web site! > > > > Best wishes, > > Robbin > > > > Robbin C. Moran, Ph.D. > > Curator of Ferns > > The New York Botanical Garden > > 200th Street & Southern Blvd. > > Bronx, NY 10458-5126 U.S.A. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6 - > > Release Date: 6/3/2008 12:00 > > AM > > > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.24.6 - > > Release Date: 6/3/2008 12:00 > > AM > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.0.0/1485 - Release Date: >6/5/2008 10:07 AM

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