Schismatoglottis species

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.09 at 18:50:41(17819) Dear Peter, Aloha and mahalo for this additional information. I can understand the delay... tuak and wild boar...eat and drink until you sleep. I love this sort of information, root glues and stem disarticulations. This is changing the subject, but, can you start a new thread on Schismatoglottis? I do not know much about the species listed, but it is long and I have seen only a few in cultivation. Could you educate us on the more ornamental species in this genus? At least the species you encounter? Aloha, Leland +More --- On Sun, 6/8/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > From: Peter Boyce > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:35 PM > Hi Leyland, > > Sorry for the delay in replying; just been the big Gawai > holidays here so a > bit tied up with drinking tuak and eating wild boar. > > Root glue occurs in the feeding roots all Asian genera (but > not all the > species of each genus) of the Monstereae (e.g., Amydrium, > Rhaphidophora, > Scindapsus & Epipremnum), in Anadendreae (Anadendrum > only) and in Pothos and > Pedicellarum of Potheae. It is visible as a cap of > 'gel' on the active root > tip. The most striking 'caps' are found in the > Hookeri complex of > Rhaphidophora (R. hookeri, foraminifera, puberula, > todayensis) in which not > only do the active tips of the feeder roots have a very > substantial cap but > the climbing roots arise in masses along the stem and > produce copious > quantities of gel/slime that not only glues the roots to > the climbing > surface but also seems to provide an ideal environment for > additional root > development such that pulling one of these from the tree > often removes a > fair proportion of the adjacent bark. > > Shoot disarticulation so far is found in the Asian > rheophytic genera. I have > also observed (in cultivation) the same in W Africa > rheophytic Anubias but I > have never been to W Africa and so cannot say whether other > African > rheophtyes (Nephthytis, some Cercestis) have > disarticulation mechanics. > > Very best > > Pete > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brian lee" > To: "Discussion of aroids" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order > > > > Dear Peter, > > > > Aloha. Thank you for answering Steve's inquiry > with > > this interesting set of observations....do you know of > > root glues or stem disarticulations in other plant > > genera? What other botanical life history secrets can > > you share? > > > > Aloha, > > > > Leland > > > > --- Peter Boyce wrote: > > > >> Hi Steve, > >> > >> The root tip thing is very interesting. While up > at > >> Batang Ai last week took some time to look closely > >> at a very common species of Piptospatha and > realized > >> that the active root tip was always coated in cap > of > >> viscous gel; looking at root development it dawned > >> on me that the gel was acting as an adhesive; as > the > >> root progressed across the rock the gel cap laid > >> down a thin film, much the same as a slug or snail > >> does, and the developing root hairs bound into > this, > >> gluing the root to the rock to the extent that > >> attempts to remove older portions the root > actually > >> removed fragments of the rock (shale). > >> > >> The shoot tip thing is that the active shoot is > >> attached to the older part of the stem by a line > of > >> weakness that functions as a point of potential > >> disarticulation. When the river flow becomes to > >> great such that the drag on the leafy portion has > >> the potential to dislodge the entire plant, the > >> leafy shoot breaks at the point of weakness and > thus > >> by sacrificing the active shoot/s the plan is able > >> to reduce drag and thus prevent total > dislodgement. > >> The stumps remaining readily re-sprout, often > >> forming multi-headed plants. Aside from > 'saving' the > >> mother plant the 'lost' active shoot tips > frequently > >> end up in a suitable environment for > >> re-establishment and thus act as dispersal units. > >> Another interesting aspect of this process is that > >> the disarticulation point 'moves' with the > extension > >> of the active shoot and thus only the same size > >> piece of active shoot is shed each time. > >> > >> Very best > >> > >> Pete > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: ExoticRainforest > >> To: Discussion of aroids > >> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:19 PM > >> Subject: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order > >> > >> > >> Pete, this message from you is more valuable > than > >> I can make clear. I have several mentors who are > my > >> honest-to-goodness heroes and friends. And I hope > >> you know you are one. Tom, Simon, Eduardo, > >> Alistair, Julius, Leland and many others, a list > too > >> long to mention, help me all the time! My goal > has > >> been only to self-educate myself and to try to > share > >> what I learn in a way anyone interested in aroids > >> can utilize. I am a writer who has been putting > >> words on paper for over 30 years. But without > >> accurate sources there is nothing to write! > >> > >> You have answered my questions many, many times > >> and always help to make what I'm trying to > >> understand clear. And that is at least in part > the > >> reason I quote all of you rather than trying to > put > >> what you teach in my own words. As a > non-scientist > >> my words are useless, but your words have value! > >> > >> So thanks for your kindness and your continued > >> help. With the same thanks to all the > professionals > >> who teach me something new in their journals and > >> emails on virtually a daily basis. If I could > offer > >> advice to anyone who is interested in aroids it > >> would be to build a library of good scientific > >> material on the genus. In the beginning the > reading > >> is difficult, but I time you will begin to > >> understand the scientific terms and all those > >> questions become clear answers. > >> > >> Now, a big request! Tell us about "the way > roots > >> glue themselves to rocks and how the shoot tips of > a > >> rheophytes resist water flow in spate." You > just > >> opened up a new file in my brain and I want to > know! > >> > >> Steve > >> > >> > >> Steve, > >> > >> I live in a country where we constantly > struggle > >> to get our students to read..... believe me...you > >> can NEVER read too much. I have worked with aroids > >> in one way or another for 30+ years; > professionally > >> for 20+ years... I read about aroids, any aroids, > >> every day. And every day I learn something > >> new...this week so far I have learned something > new > >> about pollination, the way roots glue themselves > to > >> rocks and how the shoot tips of a rheophytes > resist > >> water flow in spate. Tom, who has just tuned 70, > has > >> worked on aroids for over 40 years... he reads > every > >> day... Josef has worked on aroids nerly 50 > years... > >> he reads every day... and I would bet that they > too > >> are constantly learning new things. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.12 at 23:24:58(17836) Dear Leyland, Sorry for the delay (again!) been a bit tied up with various non-gustatatory (but no less enjoyable) things here; mainly tryng to keep up with numerous flowerings in the research collection (which has just passed 2500 accessions) and the start of the repotting season (the 2500 accessions are each a minimum of 5 plants...). Schismatoglottis is, after Homalomena, the most speciose genus here in tropical Asia; in Sarawak alone there are at least 100 species with somewhere over 50% yet to be given a scientific name. At the moment there are only a few species in cultivation outside specialist and botanical garden collections; many of those (and there are not many) on the web away from the IAS site are misnamed. Before I left MT late last year I was very actively involved with introducing Schsmats into tc for assessment as horticultural subjects. The results of some of these are now just finding their way onto the market and will be, all being well, available in the not too distant future. We are now working on the systematics and evolution of the genus and some of the related satellites and have as a result an extensive collection of ca. 60+ spp.; most of these are attractive, some are outstandingly so. In terms of growth habit Schismatoglottis fall into two broad groups. There are species with a creeping underground rhizome-like stem and form dense to somewhat diffuse colonies. This group includes the very variable (as currently defined) S. calyptrata, S. motleyana, S. wongii, S. wallichi. These species tend to have leaf laminae with cordate to rounded bases and often very attractive variagation. The primary disadvantage of these colonial species is that they are difficult to maintain in small pots as after flowering each shoot dies and is replecd by one or usually more shoots from near the base of the rhizome and this , combined with the long distance that he rhizomes spread mean that most of the ?alyptrata group'need at least a cut-down 30 gallon trashcan to enable them to form multiple shoots. The best way of growing them in in raised beds or, if the climate allows, but are much better in open ground under medium shade. The species forming tufts with a single or a few upright stems are probably, as ornamenals, the most important group in that they grown somewhat in the manner of Alocasia and are thus much moe easily managed in small to medium pots. This group actually contains several taxonomic units, including the 'asperata group', the 'multiflora group', 'rupestris group', etc. Many are outstanding onamentals although at the moment there are very few in cultivaion. If I were asked to select a few for their outstanding leaves I would go for: S. asperata (esp, the forms with the backs of the leaf and petiole deep red and the upper leaf surface deep green with three shades of green and silver variegaion) S. motleyana or S. wongii in the three or four colour variegation forms. S. colocasioides with its plum-purple warty petioles and grey on green banded leaves. S. trivitatta, especially forms with longitudinal ragged zones of silver and a silver mid-rib. S. gamoandra with rosettes off stiff pewter and steel banded leaves with raised checker-board venation. S. acuminatissima 'Lavallei' with upright stems and leaves deep plum-purple beneath and deep geen with grey and two shades of green above. This is in trade as Homalomena 'Purple Sword' and... if space allows, S. cornei, a a species with succulent grey-green leaves that can reach over 3 m tall and produces clusters on inflorescences resembling white and jave walking sticks... If this post recives some interest I will post some images of these and a few others. Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian lee" To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:50 AM Subject: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > Dear Peter, > > Aloha and mahalo for this additional information. I can understand the > delay... tuak and wild boar...eat and drink until you sleep. > > I love this sort of information, root glues and stem disarticulations. > This is changing the subject, but, can you start a new thread on > Schismatoglottis? I do not know much about the species listed, but it is > long and I have seen only a few in cultivation. Could you educate us on > the more ornamental species in this genus? At least the species you > encounter? > > Aloha, > > Leland > > > --- On Sun, 6/8/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > >> From: Peter Boyce >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order >> To: "Discussion of aroids" >> Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:35 PM >> Hi Leyland, >> >> Sorry for the delay in replying; just been the big Gawai >> holidays here so a >> bit tied up with drinking tuak and eating wild boar. >> >> Root glue occurs in the feeding roots all Asian genera (but >> not all the >> species of each genus) of the Monstereae (e.g., Amydrium, >> Rhaphidophora, >> Scindapsus & Epipremnum), in Anadendreae (Anadendrum >> only) and in Pothos and >> Pedicellarum of Potheae. It is visible as a cap of >> 'gel' on the active root >> tip. The most striking 'caps' are found in the >> Hookeri complex of >> Rhaphidophora (R. hookeri, foraminifera, puberula, >> todayensis) in which not >> only do the active tips of the feeder roots have a very >> substantial cap but >> the climbing roots arise in masses along the stem and >> produce copious >> quantities of gel/slime that not only glues the roots to >> the climbing >> surface but also seems to provide an ideal environment for >> additional root >> development such that pulling one of these from the tree >> often removes a >> fair proportion of the adjacent bark. >> >> Shoot disarticulation so far is found in the Asian >> rheophytic genera. I have >> also observed (in cultivation) the same in W Africa >> rheophytic Anubias but I >> have never been to W Africa and so cannot say whether other >> African >> rheophtyes (Nephthytis, some Cercestis) have >> disarticulation mechanics. >> >> Very best >> >> Pete >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "brian lee" >> To: "Discussion of aroids" >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:18 PM >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order >> >> >> > Dear Peter, >> > >> > Aloha. Thank you for answering Steve's inquiry >> with >> > this interesting set of observations....do you know of >> > root glues or stem disarticulations in other plant >> > genera? What other botanical life history secrets can >> > you share? >> > >> > Aloha, >> > >> > Leland >> > >> > --- Peter Boyce wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> >> >> The root tip thing is very interesting. While up >> at >> >> Batang Ai last week took some time to look closely >> >> at a very common species of Piptospatha and >> realized >> >> that the active root tip was always coated in cap >> of >> >> viscous gel; looking at root development it dawned >> >> on me that the gel was acting as an adhesive; as >> the >> >> root progressed across the rock the gel cap laid >> >> down a thin film, much the same as a slug or snail >> >> does, and the developing root hairs bound into >> this, >> >> gluing the root to the rock to the extent that >> >> attempts to remove older portions the root >> actually >> >> removed fragments of the rock (shale). >> >> >> >> The shoot tip thing is that the active shoot is >> >> attached to the older part of the stem by a line >> of >> >> weakness that functions as a point of potential >> >> disarticulation. When the river flow becomes to >> >> great such that the drag on the leafy portion has >> >> the potential to dislodge the entire plant, the >> >> leafy shoot breaks at the point of weakness and >> thus >> >> by sacrificing the active shoot/s the plan is able >> >> to reduce drag and thus prevent total >> dislodgement. >> >> The stumps remaining readily re-sprout, often >> >> forming multi-headed plants. Aside from >> 'saving' the >> >> mother plant the 'lost' active shoot tips >> frequently >> >> end up in a suitable environment for >> >> re-establishment and thus act as dispersal units. >> >> Another interesting aspect of this process is that >> >> the disarticulation point 'moves' with the >> extension >> >> of the active shoot and thus only the same size >> >> piece of active shoot is shed each time. >> >> >> >> Very best >> >> >> >> Pete >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: ExoticRainforest >> >> To: Discussion of aroids >> >> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:19 PM >> >> Subject: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order >> >> >> >> >> >> Pete, this message from you is more valuable >> than >> >> I can make clear. I have several mentors who are >> my >> >> honest-to-goodness heroes and friends. And I hope >> >> you know you are one. Tom, Simon, Eduardo, >> >> Alistair, Julius, Leland and many others, a list >> too >> >> long to mention, help me all the time! My goal >> has >> >> been only to self-educate myself and to try to >> share >> >> what I learn in a way anyone interested in aroids >> >> can utilize. I am a writer who has been putting >> >> words on paper for over 30 years. But without >> >> accurate sources there is nothing to write! >> >> >> >> You have answered my questions many, many times >> >> and always help to make what I'm trying to >> >> understand clear. And that is at least in part >> the >> >> reason I quote all of you rather than trying to >> put >> >> what you teach in my own words. As a >> non-scientist >> >> my words are useless, but your words have value! >> >> >> >> So thanks for your kindness and your continued >> >> help. With the same thanks to all the >> professionals >> >> who teach me something new in their journals and >> >> emails on virtually a daily basis. If I could >> offer >> >> advice to anyone who is interested in aroids it >> >> would be to build a library of good scientific >> >> material on the genus. In the beginning the >> reading >> >> is difficult, but I time you will begin to >> >> understand the scientific terms and all those >> >> questions become clear answers. >> >> >> >> Now, a big request! Tell us about "the way >> roots >> >> glue themselves to rocks and how the shoot tips of >> a >> >> rheophytes resist water flow in spate." You >> just >> >> opened up a new file in my brain and I want to >> know! >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >> >> >> Steve, >> >> >> >> I live in a country where we constantly >> struggle >> >> to get our students to read..... believe me...you >> >> can NEVER read too much. I have worked with aroids >> >> in one way or another for 30+ years; >> professionally >> >> for 20+ years... I read about aroids, any aroids, >> >> every day. And every day I learn something >> >> new...this week so far I have learned something >> new >> >> about pollination, the way roots glue themselves >> to >> >> rocks and how the shoot tips of a rheophytes >> resist >> >> water flow in spate. Tom, who has just tuned 70, >> has >> >> worked on aroids for over 40 years... he reads >> every >> >> day... Josef has worked on aroids nerly 50 >> years... >> >> he reads every day... and I would bet that they >> too >> >> are constantly learning new things. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Aroid-L mailing list >> >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> >> >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Aroid-L mailing list >> >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aroid-L mailing list >> > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Aroid-L mailing list >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.13 at 20:35:52(17839) Dear Peter, Aloha. Wow. Put me on your list for pre-publication of the book! I have a Schismatoglottis that I originally got from Roberto Burle-Marx's collection. I suspect it is allied to the variable S. calyptrata...such as my poor knowledge of this group is. It seems to have the habit of clumping with the mother plant declining...I have not observed the flowering phenology in a careful fashion. I will post a photo via my wife's email to see if you know this taxon. I am impressed by the potential of Schismatoglottis...it obviously is an under appreciated group. Any and all information will be welcomed. Do you know of sources for some of the species you list? Are there any ecological information that will aid in planting these in the ground...ie: pH, soil type ,limestone under detritus, etc.? I am grateful you are working on this genus. Thank you for your wonderful response. Aloha, Leland +More --- On Thu, 6/12/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > From: Peter Boyce > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 1:24 PM > Dear Leyland, > > Sorry for the delay (again!) been a bit tied up with > various non-gustatatory (but no less enjoyable) > things here; mainly tryng to keep up with numerous > flowerings in the > research collection (which has just passed 2500 accessions) > and the start of > the repotting season (the 2500 accessions are each a > minimum of 5 > plants...). > > Schismatoglottis is, after Homalomena, the most speciose > genus here in > tropical Asia; in Sarawak alone there are at least 100 > species with > somewhere over 50% yet to be given a scientific name. At > the moment there > are only a few species in cultivation outside specialist > and botanical > garden collections; many of those (and there are not many) > on the web away > from the IAS site are misnamed. > Before I left MT late last year I was very actively > involved with > introducing Schsmats into tc for assessment as > horticultural subjects. The > results of some of these are now just finding their way > onto the market and > will be, all being well, available in the not too distant > future. > > We are now working on the systematics and evolution of the > genus and some of > the related satellites and have as a result an extensive > collection of ca. > 60+ spp.; most of these are attractive, some are > outstandingly so. > > In terms of growth habit Schismatoglottis fall into two > broad groups. There are species with a creeping underground > rhizome-like stem and form dense to somewhat diffuse > colonies. > This group includes the very variable (as currently > defined) S. calyptrata, S. motleyana, S. wongii, S. > wallichi. These species tend to have leaf laminae with > cordate to rounded bases and often very attractive > variagation. The primary disadvantage of these colonial > species is that they are difficult to maintain in small > pots as after flowering each shoot dies and is replecd by > one or usually more shoots from near the base of the > rhizome and this , combined with the long distance that he > rhizomes spread mean that most of the ?alyptrata > group'need at least a cut-down 30 gallon trashcan to > enable them to form multiple shoots. The best way of > growing them in in raised beds or, if the climate allows, > but are much better in open ground under medium shade. > > The species forming tufts with a single or a few upright > stems are probably, as ornamenals, the most important group > in that they grown somewhat in the manner of Alocasia and > are thus much moe easily managed in small to medium pots. > This group actually contains several taxonomic units, > including the 'asperata group', the 'multiflora > group', 'rupestris group', etc. Many are > outstanding onamentals although at the moment there are > very few in cultivaion. > > If I were asked to select a few for their outstanding > leaves I would go for: > > S. asperata (esp, the forms with the backs of the leaf and > petiole deep red > and the upper leaf surface deep green with three shades of > green and silver > variegaion) > > S. motleyana or S. wongii in the three or four colour > variegation forms. > > S. colocasioides with its plum-purple warty petioles and > grey on green > banded leaves. > > S. trivitatta, especially forms with longitudinal ragged > zones of silver and > a silver mid-rib. > > S. gamoandra with rosettes off stiff pewter and steel > banded leaves with raised checker-board venation. > > S. acuminatissima 'Lavallei' with upright stems and > leaves deep plum-purple beneath and deep geen with grey and > two shades of green above. This is in trade as Homalomena > 'Purple Sword' > > and... if space allows, S. cornei, a a species with > succulent grey-green leaves that can reach over 3 m tall > and produces clusters on inflorescences resembling white > and jave walking sticks... > > If this post recives some interest I will post some images > of these and a few others. > > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brian lee" > To: "Discussion of aroids" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:50 AM > Subject: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > > > > Dear Peter, > > > > Aloha and mahalo for this additional information. I > can understand the > > delay... tuak and wild boar...eat and drink until you > sleep. > > > > I love this sort of information, root glues and stem > disarticulations. > > This is changing the subject, but, can you start a new > thread on > > Schismatoglottis? I do not know much about the species > listed, but it is > > long and I have seen only a few in cultivation. Could > you educate us on > > the more ornamental species in this genus? At least > the species you > > encounter? > > > > Aloha, > > > > Leland > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/8/08, Peter Boyce > wrote: > > > >> From: Peter Boyce > >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order > >> To: "Discussion of aroids" > > >> Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:35 PM > >> Hi Leyland, > >> > >> Sorry for the delay in replying; just been the big > Gawai > >> holidays here so a > >> bit tied up with drinking tuak and eating wild > boar. > >> > >> Root glue occurs in the feeding roots all Asian > genera (but > >> not all the > >> species of each genus) of the Monstereae (e.g., > Amydrium, > >> Rhaphidophora, > >> Scindapsus & Epipremnum), in Anadendreae > (Anadendrum > >> only) and in Pothos and > >> Pedicellarum of Potheae. It is visible as a cap of > >> 'gel' on the active root > >> tip. The most striking 'caps' are found in > the > >> Hookeri complex of > >> Rhaphidophora (R. hookeri, foraminifera, puberula, > >> todayensis) in which not > >> only do the active tips of the feeder roots have a > very > >> substantial cap but > >> the climbing roots arise in masses along the stem > and > >> produce copious > >> quantities of gel/slime that not only glues the > roots to > >> the climbing > >> surface but also seems to provide an ideal > environment for > >> additional root > >> development such that pulling one of these from > the tree > >> often removes a > >> fair proportion of the adjacent bark. > >> > >> Shoot disarticulation so far is found in the Asian > >> rheophytic genera. I have > >> also observed (in cultivation) the same in W > Africa > >> rheophytic Anubias but I > >> have never been to W Africa and so cannot say > whether other > >> African > >> rheophtyes (Nephthytis, some Cercestis) have > >> disarticulation mechanics. > >> > >> Very best > >> > >> Pete > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "brian lee" > > >> To: "Discussion of aroids" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:18 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order > >> > >> > >> > Dear Peter, > >> > > >> > Aloha. Thank you for answering Steve's > inquiry > >> with > >> > this interesting set of observations....do > you know of > >> > root glues or stem disarticulations in other > plant > >> > genera? What other botanical life history > secrets can > >> > you share? > >> > > >> > Aloha, > >> > > >> > Leland > >> > > >> > --- Peter Boyce > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Steve, > >> >> > >> >> The root tip thing is very interesting. > While up > >> at > >> >> Batang Ai last week took some time to > look closely > >> >> at a very common species of Piptospatha > and > >> realized > >> >> that the active root tip was always > coated in cap > >> of > >> >> viscous gel; looking at root development > it dawned > >> >> on me that the gel was acting as an > adhesive; as > >> the > >> >> root progressed across the rock the gel > cap laid > >> >> down a thin film, much the same as a slug > or snail > >> >> does, and the developing root hairs bound > into > >> this, > >> >> gluing the root to the rock to the extent > that > >> >> attempts to remove older portions the > root > >> actually > >> >> removed fragments of the rock (shale). > >> >> > >> >> The shoot tip thing is that the active > shoot is > >> >> attached to the older part of the stem by > a line > >> of > >> >> weakness that functions as a point of > potential > >> >> disarticulation. When the river flow > becomes to > >> >> great such that the drag on the leafy > portion has > >> >> the potential to dislodge the entire > plant, the > >> >> leafy shoot breaks at the point of > weakness and > >> thus > >> >> by sacrificing the active shoot/s the > plan is able > >> >> to reduce drag and thus prevent total > >> dislodgement. > >> >> The stumps remaining readily re-sprout, > often > >> >> forming multi-headed plants. Aside from > >> 'saving' the > >> >> mother plant the 'lost' active > shoot tips > >> frequently > >> >> end up in a suitable environment for > >> >> re-establishment and thus act as > dispersal units. > >> >> Another interesting aspect of this > process is that > >> >> the disarticulation point 'moves' > with the > >> extension > >> >> of the active shoot and thus only the > same size > >> >> piece of active shoot is shed each time. > >> >> > >> >> Very best > >> >> > >> >> Pete > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: ExoticRainforest > >> >> To: Discussion of aroids > >> >> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:19 PM > >> >> Subject: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is > order > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Pete, this message from you is more > valuable > >> than > >> >> I can make clear. I have several mentors > who are > >> my > >> >> honest-to-goodness heroes and friends. > And I hope > >> >> you know you are one. Tom, Simon, > Eduardo, > >> >> Alistair, Julius, Leland and many others, > a list > >> too > >> >> long to mention, help me all the time! > My goal > >> has > >> >> been only to self-educate myself and to > try to > >> share > >> >> what I learn in a way anyone interested > in aroids > >> >> can utilize. I am a writer who has been > putting > >> >> words on paper for over 30 years. But > without > >> >> accurate sources there is nothing to > write! > >> >> > >> >> You have answered my questions many, > many times > >> >> and always help to make what I'm > trying to > >> >> understand clear. And that is at least > in part > >> the > >> >> reason I quote all of you rather than > trying to > >> put > >> >> what you teach in my own words. As a > >> non-scientist > >> >> my words are useless, but your words have > value! > >> >> > >> >> So thanks for your kindness and your > continued > >> >> help. With the same thanks to all the > >> professionals > >> >> who teach me something new in their > journals and > >> >> emails on virtually a daily basis. If I > could > >> offer > >> >> advice to anyone who is interested in > aroids it > >> >> would be to build a library of good > scientific > >> >> material on the genus. In the beginning > the > >> reading > >> >> is difficult, but I time you will begin > to > >> >> understand the scientific terms and all > those > >> >> questions become clear answers. > >> >> > >> >> Now, a big request! Tell us about > "the way > >> roots > >> >> glue themselves to rocks and how the > shoot tips of > >> a > >> >> rheophytes resist water flow in > spate." You > >> just > >> >> opened up a new file in my brain and I > want to > >> know! > >> >> > >> >> Steve > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Steve, > >> >> > >> >> I live in a country where we > constantly > >> struggle > >> >> to get our students to read..... believe > me...you > >> >> can NEVER read too much. I have worked > with aroids > >> >> in one way or another for 30+ years; > >> professionally > >> >> for 20+ years... I read about aroids, any > aroids, > >> >> every day. And every day I learn > something > >> >> new...this week so far I have learned > something > >> new > >> >> about pollination, the way roots glue > themselves > >> to > >> >> rocks and how the shoot tips of a > rheophytes > >> resist > >> >> water flow in spate. Tom, who has just > tuned 70, > >> has > >> >> worked on aroids for over 40 years... he > reads > >> every > >> >> day... Josef has worked on aroids nerly > 50 > >> years... > >> >> he reads every day... and I would bet > that they > >> too > >> >> are constantly learning new things. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> >> > >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > Aroid-L mailing list > >> > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >_______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: mickpascall at hotmail.com (Michael Pascall) on 2008.06.15 at 11:05:38(17843) Peter , thanks so much for the info on this group of fantastic plants . We are lucky here in tropical Qld to have some keen importers and collectors . Several of the ones you mentioned should be readily available here . Michael Pascall, +More _________________________________________________________________ Be part of history. Take part in Australia's first e-mail archive with Email Australia. http://emailaustralia.ninemsn.com.au -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080615/d40894cd/attachment.htm

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.16 at 07:41:49(17846) Hi Leyland, Is this an different species from Burle-Marx to the one that I commented on the othert day? If yes, then this is certainly a member of the calyptrata group but without an inflorescence and spadix details I cannot go any further; it might be any one of three species. In particular need to see the whole spadix and the spathe as it goes hrough senescence in the inter floral period between female and male anthesis. Malesiana Tropicals will be offering, probably via Agri-Starts, three Schismatoglottis later this or early next year. We are just beginning to begin to try to get a lot of Schismatoglottis into t/c as part of our bioconservation project. Although we won't be commercializing in the manner that MT, we are hoipng to at least get a few dozen species into culture and do some preliminary assessments of cultivation potentials. Many of the most spectacular Schismatoglottis are from highly acidic shale-derived soils. We have found that with the exception of a few limestone-obliagates all need an acidic mix (pH 4.5 - 6) with a mineral soil in which is a fair proportion of humus and sand. We use 4:2:1 red top soils (from the Terat series here in Sarawak) that are sceened through 5 mm screen: commercially well composted sawit (oil palm waste) into which is incorporated a mycrorrhizal additive: washed river sand. Our concession to lmestone is to use a 1 cm limestone (dolomitic) chipping as a top dressing. We are just beginning to experiment with using leaf-litter as a top dressing, adding a thin layer of leaves every two weeks and attempting to replicate the stratigraphic decomposition of the leaves and encourage a build up of beneficial mycrorrhiza. For this last it is early days but based on what we observed in West Malaysia a while ago we are rather optimistic. Very best Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian lee" To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2008 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species Dear Peter, Aloha. Wow. Put me on your list for pre-publication of the book! I have a Schismatoglottis that I originally got from Roberto Burle-Marx's collection. I suspect it is allied to the variable S. calyptrata...such as my poor knowledge of this group is. It seems to have the habit of clumping with the mother plant declining...I have not observed the flowering phenology in a careful fashion. I will post a photo via my wife's email to see if you know this taxon. I am impressed by the potential of Schismatoglottis...it obviously is an under appreciated group. Any and all information will be welcomed. Do you know of sources for some of the species you list? Are there any ecological information that will aid in planting these in the ground...ie: pH, soil type ,limestone under detritus, etc.? I am grateful you are working on this genus. Thank you for your wonderful response. Aloha, Leland --- On Thu, 6/12/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > From: Peter Boyce > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Thursday, June 12, 2008, 1:24 PM > Dear Leyland, > > Sorry for the delay (again!) been a bit tied up with > various non-gustatatory (but no less enjoyable) > things here; mainly tryng to keep up with numerous > flowerings in the > research collection (which has just passed 2500 accessions) > and the start of > the repotting season (the 2500 accessions are each a > minimum of 5 > plants...). > > Schismatoglottis is, after Homalomena, the most speciose > genus here in > tropical Asia; in Sarawak alone there are at least 100 > species with > somewhere over 50% yet to be given a scientific name. At > the moment there > are only a few species in cultivation outside specialist > and botanical > garden collections; many of those (and there are not many) > on the web away > from the IAS site are misnamed. > Before I left MT late last year I was very actively > involved with > introducing Schsmats into tc for assessment as > horticultural subjects. The > results of some of these are now just finding their way > onto the market and > will be, all being well, available in the not too distant > future. > > We are now working on the systematics and evolution of the > genus and some of > the related satellites and have as a result an extensive > collection of ca. > 60+ spp.; most of these are attractive, some are > outstandingly so. > > In terms of growth habit Schismatoglottis fall into two > broad groups. There are species with a creeping underground > rhizome-like stem and form dense to somewhat diffuse > colonies. > This group includes the very variable (as currently > defined) S. calyptrata, S. motleyana, S. wongii, S. > wallichi. These species tend to have leaf laminae with > cordate to rounded bases and often very attractive > variagation. The primary disadvantage of these colonial > species is that they are difficult to maintain in small > pots as after flowering each shoot dies and is replecd by > one or usually more shoots from near the base of the > rhizome and this , combined with the long distance that he > rhizomes spread mean that most of the ?alyptrata > group'need at least a cut-down 30 gallon trashcan to > enable them to form multiple shoots. The best way of > growing them in in raised beds or, if the climate allows, > but are much better in open ground under medium shade. > > The species forming tufts with a single or a few upright > stems are probably, as ornamenals, the most important group > in that they grown somewhat in the manner of Alocasia and > are thus much moe easily managed in small to medium pots. > This group actually contains several taxonomic units, > including the 'asperata group', the 'multiflora > group', 'rupestris group', etc. Many are > outstanding onamentals although at the moment there are > very few in cultivaion. > > If I were asked to select a few for their outstanding > leaves I would go for: > > S. asperata (esp, the forms with the backs of the leaf and > petiole deep red > and the upper leaf surface deep green with three shades of > green and silver > variegaion) > > S. motleyana or S. wongii in the three or four colour > variegation forms. > > S. colocasioides with its plum-purple warty petioles and > grey on green > banded leaves. > > S. trivitatta, especially forms with longitudinal ragged > zones of silver and > a silver mid-rib. > > S. gamoandra with rosettes off stiff pewter and steel > banded leaves with raised checker-board venation. > > S. acuminatissima 'Lavallei' with upright stems and > leaves deep plum-purple beneath and deep geen with grey and > two shades of green above. This is in trade as Homalomena > 'Purple Sword' > > and... if space allows, S. cornei, a a species with > succulent grey-green leaves that can reach over 3 m tall > and produces clusters on inflorescences resembling white > and jave walking sticks... > > If this post recives some interest I will post some images > of these and a few others. > > > Peter > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brian lee" > To: "Discussion of aroids" > > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 2:50 AM > Subject: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > > > > Dear Peter, > > > > Aloha and mahalo for this additional information. I > can understand the > > delay... tuak and wild boar...eat and drink until you > sleep. > > > > I love this sort of information, root glues and stem > disarticulations. > > This is changing the subject, but, can you start a new > thread on > > Schismatoglottis? I do not know much about the species > listed, but it is > > long and I have seen only a few in cultivation. Could > you educate us on > > the more ornamental species in this genus? At least > the species you > > encounter? > > > > Aloha, > > > > Leland > > > > > > --- On Sun, 6/8/08, Peter Boyce > wrote: > > > >> From: Peter Boyce > >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order > >> To: "Discussion of aroids" > > >> Date: Sunday, June 8, 2008, 9:35 PM > >> Hi Leyland, > >> > >> Sorry for the delay in replying; just been the big > Gawai > >> holidays here so a > >> bit tied up with drinking tuak and eating wild > boar. > >> > >> Root glue occurs in the feeding roots all Asian > genera (but > >> not all the > >> species of each genus) of the Monstereae (e.g., > Amydrium, > >> Rhaphidophora, > >> Scindapsus & Epipremnum), in Anadendreae > (Anadendrum > >> only) and in Pothos and > >> Pedicellarum of Potheae. It is visible as a cap of > >> 'gel' on the active root > >> tip. The most striking 'caps' are found in > the > >> Hookeri complex of > >> Rhaphidophora (R. hookeri, foraminifera, puberula, > >> todayensis) in which not > >> only do the active tips of the feeder roots have a > very > >> substantial cap but > >> the climbing roots arise in masses along the stem > and > >> produce copious > >> quantities of gel/slime that not only glues the > roots to > >> the climbing > >> surface but also seems to provide an ideal > environment for > >> additional root > >> development such that pulling one of these from > the tree > >> often removes a > >> fair proportion of the adjacent bark. > >> > >> Shoot disarticulation so far is found in the Asian > >> rheophytic genera. I have > >> also observed (in cultivation) the same in W > Africa > >> rheophytic Anubias but I > >> have never been to W Africa and so cannot say > whether other > >> African > >> rheophtyes (Nephthytis, some Cercestis) have > >> disarticulation mechanics. > >> > >> Very best > >> > >> Pete > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "brian lee" > > >> To: "Discussion of aroids" > >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 5:18 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is order > >> > >> > >> > Dear Peter, > >> > > >> > Aloha. Thank you for answering Steve's > inquiry > >> with > >> > this interesting set of observations....do > you know of > >> > root glues or stem disarticulations in other > plant > >> > genera? What other botanical life history > secrets can > >> > you share? > >> > > >> > Aloha, > >> > > >> > Leland > >> > > >> > --- Peter Boyce > wrote: > >> > > >> >> Hi Steve, > >> >> > >> >> The root tip thing is very interesting. > While up > >> at > >> >> Batang Ai last week took some time to > look closely > >> >> at a very common species of Piptospatha > and > >> realized > >> >> that the active root tip was always > coated in cap > >> of > >> >> viscous gel; looking at root development > it dawned > >> >> on me that the gel was acting as an > adhesive; as > >> the > >> >> root progressed across the rock the gel > cap laid > >> >> down a thin film, much the same as a slug > or snail > >> >> does, and the developing root hairs bound > into > >> this, > >> >> gluing the root to the rock to the extent > that > >> >> attempts to remove older portions the > root > >> actually > >> >> removed fragments of the rock (shale). > >> >> > >> >> The shoot tip thing is that the active > shoot is > >> >> attached to the older part of the stem by > a line > >> of > >> >> weakness that functions as a point of > potential > >> >> disarticulation. When the river flow > becomes to > >> >> great such that the drag on the leafy > portion has > >> >> the potential to dislodge the entire > plant, the > >> >> leafy shoot breaks at the point of > weakness and > >> thus > >> >> by sacrificing the active shoot/s the > plan is able > >> >> to reduce drag and thus prevent total > >> dislodgement. > >> >> The stumps remaining readily re-sprout, > often > >> >> forming multi-headed plants. Aside from > >> 'saving' the > >> >> mother plant the 'lost' active > shoot tips > >> frequently > >> >> end up in a suitable environment for > >> >> re-establishment and thus act as > dispersal units. > >> >> Another interesting aspect of this > process is that > >> >> the disarticulation point 'moves' > with the > >> extension > >> >> of the active shoot and thus only the > same size > >> >> piece of active shoot is shed each time. > >> >> > >> >> Very best > >> >> > >> >> Pete > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: ExoticRainforest > >> >> To: Discussion of aroids > >> >> Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 7:19 PM > >> >> Subject: [Aroid-l] an apolgy if it is > order > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Pete, this message from you is more > valuable > >> than > >> >> I can make clear. I have several mentors > who are > >> my > >> >> honest-to-goodness heroes and friends. > And I hope > >> >> you know you are one. Tom, Simon, > Eduardo, > >> >> Alistair, Julius, Leland and many others, > a list > >> too > >> >> long to mention, help me all the time! > My goal > >> has > >> >> been only to self-educate myself and to > try to > >> share > >> >> what I learn in a way anyone interested > in aroids > >> >> can utilize. I am a writer who has been > putting > >> >> words on paper for over 30 years. But > without > >> >> accurate sources there is nothing to > write! > >> >> > >> >> You have answered my questions many, > many times > >> >> and always help to make what I'm > trying to > >> >> understand clear. And that is at least > in part > >> the > >> >> reason I quote all of you rather than > trying to > >> put > >> >> what you teach in my own words. As a > >> non-scientist > >> >> my words are useless, but your words have > value! > >> >> > >> >> So thanks for your kindness and your > continued > >> >> help. With the same thanks to all the > >> professionals > >> >> who teach me something new in their > journals and > >> >> emails on virtually a daily basis. If I > could > >> offer > >> >> advice to anyone who is interested in > aroids it > >> >> would be to build a library of good > scientific > >> >> material on the genus. In the beginning > the > >> reading > >> >> is difficult, but I time you will begin > to > >> >> understand the scientific terms and all > those > >> >> questions become clear answers. > >> >> > >> >> Now, a big request! Tell us about > "the way > >> roots > >> >> glue themselves to rocks and how the > shoot tips of > >> a > >> >> rheophytes resist water flow in > spate." You > >> just > >> >> opened up a new file in my brain and I > want to > >> know! > >> >> > >> >> Steve > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Steve, > >> >> > >> >> I live in a country where we > constantly > >> struggle > >> >> to get our students to read..... believe > me...you > >> >> can NEVER read too much. I have worked > with aroids > >> >> in one way or another for 30+ years; > >> professionally > >> >> for 20+ years... I read about aroids, any > aroids, > >> >> every day. And every day I learn > something > >> >> new...this week so far I have learned > something > >> new > >> >> about pollination, the way roots glue > themselves > >> to > >> >> rocks and how the shoot tips of a > rheophytes > >> resist > >> >> water flow in spate. Tom, who has just > tuned 70, > >> has > >> >> worked on aroids for over 40 years... he > reads > >> every > >> >> day... Josef has worked on aroids nerly > 50 > >> years... > >> >> he reads every day... and I would bet > that they > >> too > >> >> are constantly learning new things. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> >> > >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > Aroid-L mailing list > >> > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >_______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com (RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com) on 2008.06.16 at 23:45:11(17851) Wow Peter, I'll be waiting to see a picture of the one with leaves that can get over 3m tall, (S. cornei.) Is that species from Sarawak as well? Are you familiar with the very few species of Schismatoglottis from the Neotropics and if so do you think they will ever be given their own genus? That might be a question for Eduardo too... +More Michael Mattlage -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080616/05d4e758/attachment.htm

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.17 at 06:23:30(17857) Dear Michael, Schismatoglottis corneri is so far known from western Sabah and the Anambas islands. In Sabah it is particularly notable as an often abundant roadside element on the road ascent from KK to Poring, especially as the road rises to cross the saddle below Poring. Interestingly while in Mulu last year we encountered a very small colony of what we think may be the same species near the mouth of the Melinau Gorge. The plants were sterile and have yet to flower in cultivation here in Kuching, although they are growing well. If this is S. corneri then it will be a new recprd for Sarawa; alternatively it may tun out to be a new species. This latter option would come as no great surprise since the overwhelming majority of the herbaceous aroids at Mulu are endemic. Whatever its eventual confirmed identity I attach an image of one of the medium-sized plants if the Mulu colony with Jipom (who stands 1.75) for comparison. I am not at all familiar with the neotropical 'Schismatoglottis', having onl seen S. sprucena in the field. However, the molecular exidence is that thay do not belong in Schismatoglottis; there is an alternative generic name for at least some of the neotropical species: Philonotion published in the 1850s Very best Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species Wow Peter, I'll be waiting to see a picture of the one with leaves that can get over 3m tall, (S. cornei.) Is that species from Sarawak as well? Are you familiar with the very few species of Schismatoglottis from the Neotropics and if so do you think they will ever be given their own genus? That might be a question for Eduardo too... Michael Mattlage ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080617/b299ac92/attachment.htm

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.17 at 18:18:53(17864) Dear Peter, Aloha. Again wonderful detail to accompany your replies. I did not see any attached image of Schismatoglottis corneri... I had no idea that some of these species attained these dimensions. My slim knowledge of the genus centered around small species. Those species I have seen are highly ornamental, but quite rare, at least in Hawaii. I am really enjoying the ecological details that you are supplying, especially if these species become available in the future. Do you know the specific pollinators or group of pollinators that are involved in Schismatoglottis? Is fruit set common in habitat? Aloha, Leland +More --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > From: Peter Boyce > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 8:23 PM > Dear Michael, > > Schismatoglottis corneri is so far known from western Sabah > and the Anambas islands. In Sabah it is particularly notable > as an often abundant roadside element on the road ascent > from KK to Poring, especially as the road rises to cross > the saddle below Poring. Interestingly while in Mulu last > year we encountered a very small colony of what we think > may be the same species near the mouth of the Melinau > Gorge. The plants were sterile and have yet to flower in > cultivation here in Kuching, although they are growing > well. If this is S. corneri then it will be a new recprd > for Sarawa; alternatively it may tun out to be a new > species. This latter option would come as no great surprise > since the overwhelming majority of the herbaceous aroids at > Mulu are endemic. Whatever its eventual confirmed identity > I attach an image of one of the medium-sized plants if the > Mulu colony with Jipom (who stands 1.75) for comparison. > > I am not at all familiar with the neotropical > 'Schismatoglottis', having onl seen S. sprucena in > the field. However, the molecular exidence is that thay do > not belong in Schismatoglottis; there is an alternative > generic name for at least some of the neotropical species: > Philonotion published in the 1850s > > Very best > > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > > > Wow Peter, > I'll be waiting to see a picture of the one with > leaves that can get over 3m tall, (S. cornei.) Is that > species from Sarawak as well? Are you familiar with the > very few species of Schismatoglottis from the Neotropics > and if so do you think they will ever be given their own > genus? That might be a question for Eduardo too... > > Michael Mattlage > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l_______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.20 at 21:14:28(17880) Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete +More -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080621/9328604d/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: corneri [AR-2326] (1) (Small).jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 53219 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080621/9328604d/attachment-0001.dll

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.20 at 21:39:11(17881) Dear Leland, There has been a bit of intensive study (mainly by our students here and also by Marc Gibernau when he visited us) and over the years I have made a considerable number of casual observations such that we are pretty much sure that rour groups of insects, three beetle families (Nitidulidae (flower beetles), Chrysomelidae (leaf beetles) and Staphylinidae (Rove beetles)) and one fly genus (Colocasiomyia - Drosophilidae) are the regular visitors. Very occasionally one or two species of Scarabidae turn up in the large inloresceneces of the Calyptrata group. Fruit set in habitat is abundant (seemingly close on 100%) but there is a fair degree of fruit predation in some species such that I would estimate that fruit reaching maturity is probably less than 60%. Another area with very little data is that of fruit dispersal. On the rare occasion I have seen dispersing fruits it woulk appear that ants are the main vector, seemingly attracted to the slightly sweet fruit and carrying the fruits (which detach from the spadix axis at maturity and cohere in loose masses inside the lower spathe, which opens by a few irregular splits. At the nursery I watched numerous green tree ants (which paradoxically are red in Sarawak but no less pugnacious than their gren forms) collect fruit from a species (yet to be described) in the asperata complex and carry them to thier arboreal nest. Best Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian lee" To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > Dear Peter, > > Aloha. > > Again wonderful detail to accompany your replies. I did not see any attached image of Schismatoglottis corneri... I had no idea that some of these species attained these dimensions. My slim knowledge of the genus centered around small species. Those species I have seen are highly ornamental, but quite rare, at least in Hawaii. > > I am really enjoying the ecological details that you are supplying, especially if these species become available in the future. Do you know the specific pollinators or group of pollinators that are involved in Schismatoglottis? Is fruit set common in habitat? > > Aloha, > > Leland > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > >> From: Peter Boyce >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species >> To: "Discussion of aroids" >> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 8:23 PM >> Dear Michael, >> >> Schismatoglottis corneri is so far known from western Sabah >> and the Anambas islands. In Sabah it is particularly notable >> as an often abundant roadside element on the road ascent >> from KK to Poring, especially as the road rises to cross >> the saddle below Poring. Interestingly while in Mulu last >> year we encountered a very small colony of what we think >> may be the same species near the mouth of the Melinau >> Gorge. The plants were sterile and have yet to flower in >> cultivation here in Kuching, although they are growing >> well. If this is S. corneri then it will be a new recprd >> for Sarawa; alternatively it may tun out to be a new >> species. This latter option would come as no great surprise >> since the overwhelming majority of the herbaceous aroids at >> Mulu are endemic. Whatever its eventual confirmed identity >> I attach an image of one of the medium-sized plants if the >> Mulu colony with Jipom (who stands 1.75) for comparison. >> >> I am not at all familiar with the neotropical >> 'Schismatoglottis', having onl seen S. sprucena in >> the field. However, the molecular exidence is that thay do >> not belong in Schismatoglottis; there is an alternative >> generic name for at least some of the neotropical species: >> Philonotion published in the 1850s >> >> Very best >> >> Peter >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com >> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species >> >> >> Wow Peter, >> I'll be waiting to see a picture of the one with >> leaves that can get over 3m tall, (S. cornei.) Is that >> species from Sarawak as well? Are you familiar with the >> very few species of Schismatoglottis from the Neotropics >> and if so do you think they will ever be given their own >> genus? 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From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.21 at 01:07:59(17882) Dear Peter, Aloha. I have been enjoying this thread immensely. There is such a paucity of knowledge on this genus, it is refreshing to read new information. I know others on aroid-l would agree. Do you know what the fruit predators are? Are they also dispersal agents? Are your red colored, green tree ants germinating seed as epiphytes in their arboreal nests? Thank you again. Aloha, Leland +More --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > From: Peter Boyce > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 11:39 AM > Dear Leland, > > There has been a bit of intensive study (mainly by our > students here and also by Marc Gibernau when he visited us) > and over the years I have made a considerable number of > casual observations such that we are pretty much sure that > rour groups of insects, three beetle families (Nitidulidae > (flower beetles), Chrysomelidae (leaf beetles) and > Staphylinidae (Rove beetles)) and one fly genus > (Colocasiomyia - Drosophilidae) are the regular visitors. > Very occasionally one or two species of Scarabidae turn up > in the large inloresceneces of the Calyptrata group. > > Fruit set in habitat is abundant (seemingly close on 100%) > but there is a fair degree of fruit predation in some > species such that I would estimate that fruit reaching > maturity is probably less than 60%. > > Another area with very little data is that of fruit > dispersal. On the rare occasion I have seen dispersing > fruits it woulk appear that ants are the main vector, > seemingly attracted to the slightly sweet fruit and > carrying the fruits (which detach from the spadix axis at > maturity and cohere in loose masses inside the lower > spathe, which opens by a few irregular splits. At the > nursery I watched numerous green tree ants (which > paradoxically are red in Sarawak but no less pugnacious > than their gren forms) collect fruit from a species (yet to > be described) in the asperata complex and carry them to > thier arboreal nest. > > Best > > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brian lee" > To: "Discussion of aroids" > > Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:18 AM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > > > > Dear Peter, > > > > Aloha. > > > > Again wonderful detail to accompany your replies. I > did not see any attached image of Schismatoglottis > corneri... I had no idea that some of these species > attained these dimensions. My slim knowledge of the genus > centered around small species. Those species I have seen > are highly ornamental, but quite rare, at least in Hawaii. > > > > I am really enjoying the ecological details that you > are supplying, especially if these species become available > in the future. Do you know the specific pollinators or > group of pollinators that are involved in Schismatoglottis? > Is fruit set common in habitat? > > > > Aloha, > > > > Leland > > > > > > > > > > --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Peter Boyce > wrote: > > > >> From: Peter Boyce > >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > >> To: "Discussion of aroids" > > >> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 8:23 PM > >> Dear Michael, > >> > >> Schismatoglottis corneri is so far known from > western Sabah > >> and the Anambas islands. In Sabah it is > particularly notable > >> as an often abundant roadside element on the road > ascent > >> from KK to Poring, especially as the road rises to > cross > >> the saddle below Poring. Interestingly while in > Mulu last > >> year we encountered a very small colony of what we > think > >> may be the same species near the mouth of the > Melinau > >> Gorge. The plants were sterile and have yet to > flower in > >> cultivation here in Kuching, although they are > growing > >> well. If this is S. corneri then it will be a new > recprd > >> for Sarawa; alternatively it may tun out to be a > new > >> species. This latter option would come as no great > surprise > >> since the overwhelming majority of the herbaceous > aroids at > >> Mulu are endemic. Whatever its eventual confirmed > identity > >> I attach an image of one of the medium-sized > plants if the > >> Mulu colony with Jipom (who stands 1.75) for > comparison. > >> > >> I am not at all familiar with the neotropical > >> 'Schismatoglottis', having onl seen S. > sprucena in > >> the field. However, the molecular exidence is that > thay do > >> not belong in Schismatoglottis; there is an > alternative > >> generic name for at least some of the neotropical > species: > >> Philonotion published in the 1850s > >> > >> Very best > >> > >> Peter > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com > >> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:45 AM > >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > >> > >> > >> Wow Peter, > >> I'll be waiting to see a picture of the one > with > >> leaves that can get over 3m tall, (S. cornei.) Is > that > >> species from Sarawak as well? Are you familiar > with the > >> very few species of Schismatoglottis from the > Neotropics > >> and if so do you think they will ever be given > their own > >> genus? That might be a question for Eduardo > too... > >> > >> Michael Mattlage > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> > >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l_______________________________________________ > >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > >_______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.21 at 02:07:08(17883) Dear Peter, Aloha and thank you for resending the image. Not only is this species( Schismatoglottis corneri) large, it is very attractive. The impressed venation is beautiful. What is the phenology of this species, regarding the death( or not) of the post-flowering/ fruiting stem? What group is this species allied to? I saw the list of described species, which is large...and I know there are many un-described species from your recent communications. At convenient intervals, could you send images of various Schismatoglottis to teach the forum about their diversity? The dearth of information and images is almost unbearable to the curious mind. You will never know precisely how grateful I am to listen to your discussions. Aloha, Leland +More --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > From: Peter Boyce > Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 11:14 AM > Hi Leyland, > > I think that the server may have stripped the image; am > resending. > > Pete_______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com (RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com) on 2008.06.21 at 03:27:45(17886) Wow, thats a big Schismatoglottis Pete. Thanks for resending the pic. Michael M. -------------- next part -------------- +More An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080620/c5a3dfcc/attachment.htm

From: crogers at ecoanalysts.com (Christopher Rogers) on 2008.06.22 at 03:17:20(17899) Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers +More Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA ?Invertebrate Taxonomy ?Endangered Species ?Ecological Studies ?Bioassessment ?Invasive Species ?Plankton ?Phycology Moscow, Idaho ? Bozeman, Montana ? Davis, California ? Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080621/dbcd4d59/attachment-0001.htm

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.23 at 10:10:17(17917) Colocasia & Xanthosoma, & Alocasia (for the most part), have very distinctive 'colocasioid' venation with primary veins running pinnately off both sides of the mid-rib with the secondary veins arising from the primary veins and uniting between the primary veins into more-or-less sinuous interprimary collective veins. I have attached a photograph of this typical 'colocasioid' venation. No Schismatoglottis have such venation, although the aptly named S. colocasiodea approaches it (see attached image). An additional problem is that not all Alocasia have 'colocasioid' venation and a much more reliable method in differentiating Alocasia is that there are glands, often waxy, in the axils of the primary veins on the abaxial side of the leaf; these glands are never present in Schismatoglottis. Additional useful characters are that Xanthosoma and Colocasia both have slightly to very milky latex from cut tissue. A few Alocasia have milky latex (A. macrorrhizos) for example, but for the most part the say is clear. Hope this helps some Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Rogers To: 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA ?Invertebrate Taxonomy ?Endangered Species ?Ecological Studies ?Bioassessment ?Invasive Species ?Plankton ?Phycology Moscow, Idaho ? Bozeman, Montana ? Davis, California ? Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080623/99f7e329/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sarawakensis (Gunung Selabur) 3 (Small).jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 48652 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080623/99f7e329/attachment-0002.dll -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: colocasioidea [AR-1946] (28) (Small).jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 42636 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080623/99f7e329/attachment-0003.dll

From: gcyao at mydestiny.net (George Yao) on 2008.06.23 at 13:33:19(17920) Christopher, Add Homalomena to the list. Some look so similar to Schismatoglottis that you can only distinguish them by their inflorescences, at least to us laymen. George Yao +More Metro-Manila Philippines At 6/22/2008 11:17 AM, you wrote: >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C8D3DB.CF0DDD30" >Content-Language: en-us > >Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate >Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? > >D. Christopher Rogers >Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist >((,///////////=======< > >EcoAnalysts, Inc. >1.530.756.4481 >1.530. 383.4798 (cell) >1307 "L" Street >Davis, CA 95616 >USA > >?Invertebrate Taxonomy >?Endangered Species >?Ecological Studies >?Bioassessment >?Invasive Species >?Plankton >?Phycology > >Moscow, Idaho ? Bozeman, Montana ? Davis, California ? Joplin, Missouri >Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania >ecoanalysts.com > >From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com >[mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce >Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM >To: Discussion of aroids >Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species > >Hi Leyland, > >I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. > >Pete >_______________________________________________ >Aroid-L mailing list >Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 >- Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080623/39945976/attachment-0001.htm

From: crogers at ecoanalysts.com (Christopher Rogers) on 2008.06.23 at 21:52:01(17927) Thanks, Peter! D. Christopher Rogers +More Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA ?Invertebrate Taxonomy ?Endangered Species ?Ecological Studies ?Bioassessment ?Invasive Species ?Plankton ?Phycology Moscow, Idaho ? Bozeman, Montana ? Davis, California ? Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:10 AM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Colocasia & Xanthosoma, & Alocasia (for the most part), have very distinctive 'colocasioid' venation with primary veins running pinnately off both sides of the mid-rib with the secondary veins arising from the primary veins and uniting between the primary veins into more-or-less sinuous interprimary collective veins. I have attached a photograph of this typical 'colocasioid' venation. No Schismatoglottis have such venation, although the aptly named S. colocasiodea approaches it (see attached image). An additional problem is that not all Alocasia have 'colocasioid' venation and a much more reliable method in differentiating Alocasia is that there are glands, often waxy, in the axils of the primary veins on the abaxial side of the leaf; these glands are never present in Schismatoglottis. Additional useful characters are that Xanthosoma and Colocasia both have slightly to very milky latex from cut tissue. A few Alocasia have milky latex (A. macrorrhizos) for example, but for the most part the say is clear. Hope this helps some Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Rogers To: 'Discussion of aroids' Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2008 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA ?Invertebrate Taxonomy ?Endangered Species ?Ecological Studies ?Bioassessment ?Invasive Species ?Plankton ?Phycology Moscow, Idaho ? Bozeman, Montana ? Davis, California ? Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080623/d043d5da/attachment-0001.htm

From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2008.06.23 at 22:42:38(17928) Homalomena has no submarginal collective vein like Alocasia, Colocasia & Xanthosoma. Marek Argent +More ----- Original Message ----- From: George Yao To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Christopher, Add Homalomena to the list. Some look so similar to Schismatoglottis that you can only distinguish them by their inflorescences, at least to us laymen. George Yao Metro-Manila Philippines At 6/22/2008 11:17 AM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C8D3DB.CF0DDD30" Content-Language: en-us Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA YInvertebrate Taxonomy YEndangered Species YEcological Studies YBioassessment YInvasive Species YPlankton YPhycology Moscow, Idaho Y Bozeman, Montana Y Davis, California Y Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@ www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080624/bc92a0e7/attachment-0001.htm

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.24 at 01:09:49(17929) Hi George, Christopher & folks, There are two easy ways to distinguish non-flowering Homalomena from Schismatoglottis. First is that all Homalomena have striate higher order (2 & 3-order) venation (see attached image) and thus the leaves resemble those of Philodendron (to which Homalomena is related) The second is that the vegetative tissues of almost all Homalonena, and certainly all that could be mistaken for a Schismatoglottis, are strongly aromatic. The Asian species smell of a variety of things, including lime oil, ginger, mango peel and pine or juniper resin; the neotropical species mostly (all - Tom?) smell of anise. There is a minor caveat on the smell character: there are two complexes of Schismatoglolttis with aromatic foliage (the nervosa and multinervia complexes). However, almost none of these are in general cultivation and even when they do appear in collections the non-striate higher order venation immediately distinguishes them. Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: George Yao To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Christopher, Add Homalomena to the list. Some look so similar to Schismatoglottis that you can only distinguish them by their inflorescences, at least to us laymen. George Yao Metro-Manila Philippines At 6/22/2008 11:17 AM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C8D3DB.CF0DDD30" Content-Language: en-us Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA YInvertebrate Taxonomy YEndangered Species YEcological Studies YBioassessment YInvasive Species YPlankton YPhycology Moscow, Idaho Y Bozeman, Montana Y Davis, California Y Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@ www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080624/4cc161a6/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sp. (AR-1246) 1 (Small).jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 22429 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080624/4cc161a6/attachment-0001.dll

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.24 at 02:16:24(17930) Dear Leland, As yet we have no information on fruit predation. The dispersal agents for Schismatoglottideae are, based on our research, ants (several species) & water. Ants also seem to be the main dispersal agents in Homalomena. The red ants are almost certainly opportunistic in Schismatoglottis; the genus concerned (Oecophylla smaragdina) is almost always in open secondary scrub, a habitat not favoured by many aroids here. The observation was more that the fruits of seveal Schismatoglottis even in cultivation attract ants, just as they do in the field. Very best Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian lee" To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species > Dear Peter, > > Aloha. > > I have been enjoying this thread immensely. There is such a paucity of > knowledge on this genus, it is refreshing to read new information. I know > others on aroid-l would agree. > > Do you know what the fruit predators are? Are they also dispersal agents? > Are your red colored, green tree ants germinating seed as epiphytes in > their arboreal nests? > > Thank you again. > > Aloha, > > Leland > > > --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > >> From: Peter Boyce >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species >> To: "Discussion of aroids" >> Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 11:39 AM >> Dear Leland, >> >> There has been a bit of intensive study (mainly by our >> students here and also by Marc Gibernau when he visited us) >> and over the years I have made a considerable number of >> casual observations such that we are pretty much sure that >> rour groups of insects, three beetle families (Nitidulidae >> (flower beetles), Chrysomelidae (leaf beetles) and >> Staphylinidae (Rove beetles)) and one fly genus >> (Colocasiomyia - Drosophilidae) are the regular visitors. >> Very occasionally one or two species of Scarabidae turn up >> in the large inloresceneces of the Calyptrata group. >> >> Fruit set in habitat is abundant (seemingly close on 100%) >> but there is a fair degree of fruit predation in some >> species such that I would estimate that fruit reaching >> maturity is probably less than 60%. >> >> Another area with very little data is that of fruit >> dispersal. On the rare occasion I have seen dispersing >> fruits it woulk appear that ants are the main vector, >> seemingly attracted to the slightly sweet fruit and >> carrying the fruits (which detach from the spadix axis at >> maturity and cohere in loose masses inside the lower >> spathe, which opens by a few irregular splits. At the >> nursery I watched numerous green tree ants (which >> paradoxically are red in Sarawak but no less pugnacious >> than their gren forms) collect fruit from a species (yet to >> be described) in the asperata complex and carry them to >> thier arboreal nest. >> >> Best >> >> Peter >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "brian lee" >> To: "Discussion of aroids" >> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 2:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species >> >> >> > Dear Peter, >> > >> > Aloha. >> > >> > Again wonderful detail to accompany your replies. I >> did not see any attached image of Schismatoglottis >> corneri... I had no idea that some of these species >> attained these dimensions. My slim knowledge of the genus >> centered around small species. Those species I have seen >> are highly ornamental, but quite rare, at least in Hawaii. >> > >> > I am really enjoying the ecological details that you >> are supplying, especially if these species become available >> in the future. Do you know the specific pollinators or >> group of pollinators that are involved in Schismatoglottis? >> Is fruit set common in habitat? >> > >> > Aloha, >> > >> > Leland >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > --- On Mon, 6/16/08, Peter Boyce >> wrote: >> > >> >> From: Peter Boyce >> >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species >> >> To: "Discussion of aroids" >> >> >> Date: Monday, June 16, 2008, 8:23 PM >> >> Dear Michael, >> >> >> >> Schismatoglottis corneri is so far known from >> western Sabah >> >> and the Anambas islands. In Sabah it is >> particularly notable >> >> as an often abundant roadside element on the road >> ascent >> >> from KK to Poring, especially as the road rises to >> cross >> >> the saddle below Poring. Interestingly while in >> Mulu last >> >> year we encountered a very small colony of what we >> think >> >> may be the same species near the mouth of the >> Melinau >> >> Gorge. The plants were sterile and have yet to >> flower in >> >> cultivation here in Kuching, although they are >> growing >> >> well. If this is S. corneri then it will be a new >> recprd >> >> for Sarawa; alternatively it may tun out to be a >> new >> >> species. This latter option would come as no great >> surprise >> >> since the overwhelming majority of the herbaceous >> aroids at >> >> Mulu are endemic. Whatever its eventual confirmed >> identity >> >> I attach an image of one of the medium-sized >> plants if the >> >> Mulu colony with Jipom (who stands 1.75) for >> comparison. >> >> >> >> I am not at all familiar with the neotropical >> >> 'Schismatoglottis', having onl seen S. >> sprucena in >> >> the field. However, the molecular exidence is that >> thay do >> >> not belong in Schismatoglottis; there is an >> alternative >> >> generic name for at least some of the neotropical >> species: >> >> Philonotion published in the 1850s >> >> >> >> Very best >> >> >> >> Peter >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: RAYMOMATTLA at cs.com >> >> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:45 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Schismatoglottis species >> >> >> >> >> >> Wow Peter, >> >> I'll be waiting to see a picture of the one >> with >> >> leaves that can get over 3m tall, (S. cornei.) Is >> that >> >> species from Sarawak as well? Are you familiar >> with the >> >> very few species of Schismatoglottis from the >> Neotropics >> >> and if so do you think they will ever be given >> their own >> >> genus? That might be a question for Eduardo >> too... >> >> >> >> Michael Mattlage >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Aroid-L mailing list >> >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> >> >> >> >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l_______________________________________________ >> >> Aroid-L mailing list >> >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Aroid-L mailing list >> > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >> >_______________________________________________ >> Aroid-L mailing list >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.24 at 02:25:00(17931) Hi Leland, Schismatoglottis corneri is pleionanthis, with the stem renewal axis arising just below the inflorescence cluster (as in Alocasia). The affinities of S. corneri are a bit obscure. Leaving aside the massiveness of the vegetative parts and inflorescence, the actual inflorscence gross morphology and to a great extent spathe senescence is very close to that of S. longifolia, in that the plant produces clusters of inflorescences that are nodding (strongly so) while during anthesis the spathe limb barely opens but instead 'loosens' gapes a bit, before closing again and, while clasping the spent parts of the spadix the whole unit (spathe limb + all the spadix except the fertilized pistils) is shed in a partially withered state. However, the shoot archticeture of the two species is completely different such that in all probablility the similarities in the inflorescence is coincidental. Certainly I will continue to post images of nice species. In fact, attached to this is S. ciliata. Very best Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian lee" To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species > Dear Peter, > > Aloha and thank you for resending the image. > > Not only is this species( Schismatoglottis corneri) large, it is very > attractive. The impressed venation is beautiful. What is the phenology > of this species, regarding the death( or not) of the post-flowering/ > fruiting stem? What group is this species allied to? I saw the list of > described species, which is large...and I know there are many un-described > species from your recent communications. > > At convenient intervals, could you send images of various Schismatoglottis > to teach the forum about their diversity? The dearth of information and > images is almost unbearable to the curious mind. > > You will never know precisely how grateful I am to listen to your > discussions. > > Aloha, > > Leland > > > > > --- On Fri, 6/20/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > >> From: Peter Boyce >> Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species >> To: "Discussion of aroids" >> Date: Friday, June 20, 2008, 11:14 AM >> Hi Leyland, >> >> I think that the server may have stripped the image; am >> resending. >> >> Pete_______________________________________________ >> Aroid-L mailing list >> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ciliata [AR-2130] (30) (Small).jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 51105 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080624/131625e8/attachment-0002.dll -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ciliata [AR-2130] (23) (Small).jpg Type: application/octet-stream Size: 79333 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080624/131625e8/attachment-0003.dll

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.24 at 07:11:21(17936) Hi Marek, Sorry, this is not strictly true. The veins all join up to a sumarginal collective vein in Homalomena; the only difference is that the vein is very close to the leaf margin and thus often appears as a thickened leaf margin. Pete +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Marek Argent To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Homalomena has no submarginal collective vein like Alocasia, Colocasia & Xanthosoma. Marek Argent ----- Original Message ----- From: George Yao To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Christopher, Add Homalomena to the list. Some look so similar to Schismatoglottis that you can only distinguish them by their inflorescences, at least to us laymen. George Yao Metro-Manila Philippines At 6/22/2008 11:17 AM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C8D3DB.CF0DDD30" Content-Language: en-us Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA YInvertebrate Taxonomy YEndangered Species YEcological Studies YBioassessment YInvasive Species YPlankton YPhycology Moscow, Idaho Y Bozeman, Montana Y Davis, California Y Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@ www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080624/2a3d67d9/attachment-0001.htm

From: crogers at ecoanalysts.com (Christopher Rogers) on 2008.06.24 at 16:13:31(17942) Thanks! That helps, too! D. Christopher Rogers +More Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA ?Invertebrate Taxonomy ?Endangered Species ?Ecological Studies ?Bioassessment ?Invasive Species ?Plankton ?Phycology Moscow, Idaho ? Bozeman, Montana ? Davis, California ? Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Marek Argent Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:43 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Homalomena has no submarginal collective vein like Alocasia, Colocasia & Xanthosoma. Marek Argent ----- Original Message ----- From: George Yao To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Christopher, Add Homalomena to the list. Some look so similar to Schismatoglottis that you can only distinguish them by their inflorescences, at least to us laymen. George Yao Metro-Manila Philippines At 6/22/2008 11:17 AM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C8D3DB.CF0DDD30" Content-Language: en-us Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA ?Invertebrate Taxonomy ?Endangered Species ?Ecological Studies ?Bioassessment ?Invasive Species ?Plankton ?Phycology Moscow, Idaho ? Bozeman, Montana ? Davis, California ? Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@ www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl _____ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080624/e5885f7f/attachment-0001.htm

From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2008.06.24 at 19:44:10(17945) As always you are right, Pete. Here is a photo of Hom. rubeschens Marek +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Boyce To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Marek, Sorry, this is not strictly true. The veins all join up to a sumarginal collective vein in Homalomena; the only difference is that the vein is very close to the leaf margin and thus often appears as a thickened leaf margin. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Marek Argent To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Homalomena has no submarginal collective vein like Alocasia, Colocasia & Xanthosoma. Marek Argent ----- Original Message ----- From: George Yao To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Christopher, Add Homalomena to the list. Some look so similar to Schismatoglottis that you can only distinguish them by their inflorescences, at least to us laymen. George Yao Metro-Manila Philippines At 6/22/2008 11:17 AM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C8D3DB.CF0DDD30" Content-Language: en-us Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA YInvertebrate Taxonomy YEndangered Species YEcological Studies YBioassessment YInvasive Species YPlankton YPhycology Moscow, Idaho Y Bozeman, Montana Y Davis, California Y Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@ www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3212 (20080624) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3212 (20080624) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080624/44fa4e4e/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: homarub.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 34039 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080624/44fa4e4e/attachment-0001.jpg

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.25 at 10:27:45(17952) Hi Marek, You are very kind but let me assure you that the only reason I very occasionally get it right these days is that I have mostly always got it wrong! Pete +More ----- Original Message ----- From: Marek Argent To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species As always you are right, Pete. Here is a photo of Hom. rubeschens Marek ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Boyce To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Marek, Sorry, this is not strictly true. The veins all join up to a sumarginal collective vein in Homalomena; the only difference is that the vein is very close to the leaf margin and thus often appears as a thickened leaf margin. Pete ----- Original Message ----- From: Marek Argent To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:42 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Homalomena has no submarginal collective vein like Alocasia, Colocasia & Xanthosoma. Marek Argent ----- Original Message ----- From: George Yao To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Christopher, Add Homalomena to the list. Some look so similar to Schismatoglottis that you can only distinguish them by their inflorescences, at least to us laymen. George Yao Metro-Manila Philippines At 6/22/2008 11:17 AM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C8D3DB.CF0DDD30" Content-Language: en-us Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA YInvertebrate Taxonomy YEndangered Species YEcological Studies YBioassessment YInvasive Species YPlankton YPhycology Moscow, Idaho Y Bozeman, Montana Y Davis, California Y Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@ www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl -------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3212 (20080624) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l __________ NOD32 Informacje 3212 (20080624) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080625/5151f43e/attachment-0001.htm

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.06.25 at 17:17:50(17960) Dear Pete, Aloha. I think you speak for many of us that are on a quest for knowledge. We ask many questions so that we can filter through the answers and learn little gems of information. I have been learning so much more thanks to you and the others on this forum. Every new post on Schismatoglottis and some of the other lessor known genera contribute greatly to the vacuum I knew before. Thank you all. Aloha, Leland +More --- On Wed, 6/25/08, Peter Boyce wrote: > From: Peter Boyce > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Wednesday, June 25, 2008, 12:27 AM > Hi Marek, > > You are very kind but let me assure you that the only > reason I very occasionally get it right these days is that > I have mostly always got it wrong! > > Pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marek Argent > To: Discussion of aroids > Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 3:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species > > > As always you are right, Pete. > Here is a photo of Hom. rubeschens > > Marek > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Boyce > To: Discussion of aroids > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 9:11 AM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species > > > Hi Marek, > > Sorry, this is not strictly true. The veins all join up > to a sumarginal collective vein in Homalomena; the only > difference is that the vein is very close to the leaf > margin and thus often appears as a thickened leaf margin. > > Pete > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marek Argent > To: Discussion of aroids > Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 6:42 AM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species > > > Homalomena has no submarginal collective vein like > Alocasia, Colocasia & Xanthosoma. > > Marek Argent > ----- Original Message ----- > From: George Yao > To: Discussion of aroids > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species > > > Christopher, > > Add Homalomena to the list. Some look so similar to > Schismatoglottis that you can only distinguish them by their > inflorescences, at least to us laymen. > > George Yao > Metro-Manila > Philippines > > At 6/22/2008 11:17 AM, you wrote: > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C8D3DB.CF0DDD30" > Content-Language: en-us > > Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate > Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just > by the leaves? > > D. Christopher Rogers > Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist > ((,///////////=======< > > EcoAnalysts, Inc. > 1.530.756.4481 > 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) > 1307 "L" Street > Davis, CA 95616 > USA > > YInvertebrate Taxonomy > YEndangered Species > YEcological Studies > YBioassessment > YInvasive Species > YPlankton > YPhycology > > > Moscow, Idaho Y Bozeman, Montana Y Davis, > California Y Joplin, Missouri > Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania > ecoanalysts.com > > > From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [ > mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter > Boyce > Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM > To: Discussion of aroids > Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species > > Hi Leyland, > > I think that the server may have stripped the > image; am resending. > > Pete > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@ www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - > Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) > __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System > Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 3207 (20080622) > __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System > Antywirusowy NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 3212 (20080624) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy > NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 3212 (20080624) __________ > > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy > NOD32 > http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l_______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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From: Thomas.Croat at mobot.org (Tom Croat) on 2008.06.25 at 23:40:43(17969) Dear Pete: You are correct, all the species of Homalomena that I know smell strongly of anise and even the flower may gives off a strong scent of anise at night when they are in flower (perhaps they all do this but I am rarely collecting at night). Tom +More ________________________________ From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 8:10 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi George, Christopher & folks, There are two easy ways to distinguish non-flowering Homalomena from Schismatoglottis. First is that all Homalomena have striate higher order (2 & 3-order) venation (see attached image) and thus the leaves resemble those of Philodendron (to which Homalomena is related) The second is that the vegetative tissues of almost all Homalonena, and certainly all that could be mistaken for a Schismatoglottis, are strongly aromatic. The Asian species smell of a variety of things, including lime oil, ginger, mango peel and pine or juniper resin; the neotropical species mostly (all - Tom?) smell of anise. There is a minor caveat on the smell character: there are two complexes of Schismatoglolttis with aromatic foliage (the nervosa and multinervia complexes). However, almost none of these are in general cultivation and even when they do appear in collections the non-striate higher order venation immediately distinguishes them. Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: George Yao To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 9:33 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Christopher, Add Homalomena to the list. Some look so similar to Schismatoglottis that you can only distinguish them by their inflorescences, at least to us laymen. George Yao Metro-Manila Philippines At 6/22/2008 11:17 AM, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_015F_01C8D3DB.CF0DDD30" Content-Language: en-us Wow. Okay, so is there an easy way to separate Schismatoglottis, Alocasia, Colocasia and Xanthosoma just by the leaves? D. Christopher Rogers Senior Invertebrate Ecologist/ Taxonomist ((,///////////=======< EcoAnalysts, Inc. 1.530.756.4481 1.530. 383.4798 (cell) 1307 "L" Street Davis, CA 95616 USA ?Invertebrate Taxonomy ?Endangered Species ?Ecological Studies ?Bioassessment ?Invasive Species ?Plankton ?Phycology Moscow, Idaho ? Bozeman, Montana ? Davis, California ? Joplin, Missouri Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania ecoanalysts.com From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Boyce Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 2:14 PM To: Discussion of aroids Subject: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Hi Leyland, I think that the server may have stripped the image; am resending. Pete _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@ www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1513 - Release Date: 6/22/2008 7:52 AM ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080625/f6da2379/attachment-0001.htm

From: botanist at malesiana.com (Peter Boyce) on 2008.06.26 at 08:33:12(17975) Marc Gibernau & Denis Barab? have been working on the neotropical species and we ae looking at the Asain ones. Very best Peter +More ----- Original Message ----- From: bonaventure at optonline.net To: Discussion of aroids Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:33 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Fw: Schismatoglottis species Any molecular phylogeny done on this group? Bonaventure Magrys ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080626/e2db0aa3/attachment.htm

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