Anthurium with double spathe.

From: jardin_emilia at hotmail.com (JORGE JOEL TORRES-RIVERA) on 2008.06.17 at 00:41:27(17852) Hello! I just wanted to share with you guys my new Anthurium. It has a red, double spathe that made me fell in love with it. Now i am wondering if this is the characteristic that point to a certain cultivar. Or maybe, is there any species that produces this double spathe? I found it in a Plant Fair here in Puerto Rico. And it seems like it is a certain variety and not an abnormaly in a specific plant, because, apart from my plant, there was another plant with the same double spathe. Any one can tell me more about this. Another curious thing is that the bigger spathe is Butterfly-shapped, while the smaller one is more heart-shapped. Any thoughts? Thank you,Jorge Joel... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... +More URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080616/fb9a710b/attachment-0001.htm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ANTHURIUM DOUBLE RED 16JUN2008 003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 33607 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080616/fb9a710b/attachment-0002.jpg -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ANTHURIUM DOUBLE RED 16JUN2008 005.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31055 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080616/fb9a710b/attachment-0003.jpg

From: ju-bo at msn.com (ju-bo at msn.com) on 2008.06.17 at 09:56:11(17859) ________________________________ > From: jardin_emilia at hotmail.com > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:41:27 -0400 > Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe. Dear Jorge Joel, This is one of the many Anthurium hybrids loosly based on A. andreanum, and the double spathe is thought to be a result on chemical treatments during the tissue culture/cultivation process. It is particularly common in Spathiphyllums which you can see at the ''big box'' stores sold there by the millions. These plants are subjected to multiple chemicals as tiny plantlets still in the tissue culture flasks at the lab, some to make them grow faster, to produce abundant leaves, then when out of the flasks and growing, other chemicals are sprayed on their leaves to make them all bloom abundantly and all at the same time/month/season, so as to be able to market a bunch of blooming plants all together. Many will be seen to have deformed or double, sometimes tripple spathes and spadices. In time the plant will ''grow out'' from the influence of the chemicals and again begin to produce ''normal'' one-spathed blooms. Good Luck, Julius +More WPB, Florida > Hello! I just wanted to share with you guys my new Anthurium. It has a red, double spathe that made me fell in love with it. Now i am wondering if this is the characteristic that point to a certain cultivar. Or maybe, is there any species that produces this double spathe? > > I found it in a Plant Fair here in Puerto Rico. And it seems like it is a certain variety and not an abnormaly in a specific plant, because, apart from my plant, there was another plant with the same double spathe. Any one can tell me more about this. > > Another curious thing is that the bigger spathe is Butterfly-shapped, while the smaller one is more heart-shapped. > > Any thoughts? > > Thank you, > Jorge Joel...

From: dburch23 at bellsouth.net (derek burch) on 2008.06.17 at 11:49:41(17860) Lucky you, Jorge. A few years ago Anthura (I think) had a range of examples of "doubles" in their stand at 'Hort Fair' in Amsterdam. I have checked with them since then, and they say that they have not proceeded with this line of development as a commercial possibility. We all seem to go for novelty, but 'ordinary' anthuriums are so attractive that I am happy to settle for what I have. Check the aroid-l gallery for a few pictures of the "doubles". Derek +More -----Original Message----- From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com] On Behalf Of JORGE JOEL TORRES-RIVERA Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:41 PM To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe. Hello! I just wanted to share with you guys my new Anthurium. It has a red, double spathe that made me fell in love with it. Now i am wondering if this is the characteristic that point to a certain cultivar. Or maybe, is there any species that produces this double spathe? I found it in a Plant Fair here in Puerto Rico. And it seems like it is a certain variety and not an abnormaly in a specific plant, because, apart from my plant, there was another plant with the same double spathe. Any one can tell me more about this. Another curious thing is that the bigger spathe is Butterfly-shapped, while the smaller one is more heart-shapped. Any thoughts? Thank you, Jorge Joel... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080617/e192626d/attachment.htm

From: abri1973 at wp.pl (Marek Argent) on 2008.06.17 at 14:11:16(17862) Yes, some cultivated aroids often produce double spathes especially when they are in bad condition, although there are cultivars which produce always two spathes like some Anthurium, Spathiphyllum and Zantedeschia. Many garden companies treat the plants with special chemical substances to produce such inflorescences, but as you buy them the next flowers are normal (or even sometimes the plants die). You can see some examples of such odd inflorescences in the www.aroid.org website. Best, Marek Argent +More www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/ ----- Original Message ----- From: JORGE JOEL TORRES-RIVERA To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:41 AM Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe. Hello! I just wanted to share with you guys my new Anthurium. It has a red, double spathe that made me fell in love with it. Now i am wondering if this is the characteristic that point to a certain cultivar. Or maybe, is there any species that produces this double spathe? I found it in a Plant Fair here in Puerto Rico. And it seems like it is a certain variety and not an abnormaly in a specific plant, because, apart from my plant, there was another plant with the same double spathe. Any one can tell me more about this. Another curious thing is that the bigger spathe is Butterfly-shapped, while the smaller one is more heart-shapped. Any thoughts? Thank you, Jorge Joel... __________ NOD32 Informacje 3192 (20080616) __________ Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32 http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080617/60da670b/attachment.htm

From: exotics at hawaii.rr.com (Windy Aubrey) on 2008.06.17 at 20:31:44(17866) Hi Julius, That was a great explanation. Very interesting! I learned something new. Thanks for that, Windy +More ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe. > > > > ________________________________ >> From: jardin_emilia at hotmail.com >> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com >> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:41:27 -0400 >> Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe. > > Dear Jorge Joel, > > This is one of the many Anthurium hybrids loosly based on A. andreanum, > and the double spathe is thought to be a result on chemical treatments > during the tissue culture/cultivation process. It is particularly common > in Spathiphyllums which you can see at the ''big box'' stores sold there > by the millions. These plants are subjected to multiple chemicals as > tiny plantlets still in the tissue culture flasks at the lab, some to make > them grow faster, to produce abundant leaves, then when out of the flasks > and growing, other chemicals are sprayed on their leaves to make them all > bloom abundantly and all at the same time/month/season, so as to be able > to market a bunch of blooming plants all together. Many will be seen to > have deformed or double, sometimes tripple spathes and spadices. > In time the plant will ''grow out'' from the influence of the chemicals > and again begin to produce ''normal'' one-spathed blooms. > > Good Luck, > > Julius > WPB, Florida > >> Hello! I just wanted to share with you guys my new Anthurium. It has a >> red, double spathe that made me fell in love with it. Now i am wondering >> if this is the characteristic that point to a certain cultivar. Or maybe, >> is there any species that produces this double spathe? >> >> I found it in a Plant Fair here in Puerto Rico. And it seems like it is a >> certain variety and not an abnormaly in a specific plant, because, apart >> from my plant, there was another plant with the same double spathe. Any >> one can tell me more about this. >> >> Another curious thing is that the bigger spathe is Butterfly-shapped, >> while the smaller one is more heart-shapped. >> >> Any thoughts? >> >> Thank you, >> Jorge Joel... > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >

From: jardin_emilia at hotmail.com (JORGE JOEL TORRES-RIVERA) on 2008.06.18 at 16:46:40(17867) Hello! Ohh! So this is a result of tissue culturing? And there is a posibility that this plant will stop producing these double spathes? Well... somehow this is a little deceptioning. At least the spathe has a great color. If there are no more doubles, at least the color will look really great in my collection. Thanks to every body for all the help! Cheers, +More Jorge Joel...> From: aroid-l-request at gizmoworks.com> Subject: Aroid-L Digest, Vol 47, Issue 69> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:00:02 -0500> > Send Aroid-L mailing list submissions to> aroid-l at www.gizmoworks.com> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> aroid-l-request at www.gizmoworks.com> > You can reach the person managing the list at> aroid-l-owner at www.gizmoworks.com> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of Aroid-L digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Anthurium with double spathe. (ju-bo at msn.com)> 2. Re: Anthurium with double spathe. (derek burch)> 3. Re: Premature amorphophallus dormancy (ronmchatton at aol.com)> 4. Re: Anthurium with double spathe. (Marek Argent)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 0 9:56:11 +0000> From: > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe.> To: Discussion of aroids > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > > > > ________________________________> > From: jardin_emilia at hotmail.com> > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com> > Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 20:41:27 -0400> > Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe.> > Dear Jorge Joel,> > This is one of the many Anthurium hybrids loosly based on A. andreanum, and the double spathe is thought to be a result on chemical treatments during the tissue culture/cultivation process. It is particularly common in Spathiphyllums which you can see at the ''big box'' stores sold there by the millions. These plants are subjected to multiple chemicals as tiny plantlets still in the tissue culture flasks at the lab, some to make them grow faster, to produce abundant leaves, then when out of the flasks and growing, other chemicals a re sprayed on their leaves to make them all bloom abundantly and all at the same time/month/season, so as to be able to market a bunch of blooming plants all together. Many will be seen to have deformed or double, sometimes tripple spathes and spadices.> In time the plant will ''grow out'' from the influence of the chemicals and again begin to produce ''normal'' one-spathed blooms.> > Good Luck,> > Julius > WPB, Florida> > > Hello! I just wanted to share with you guys my new Anthurium. It has a red, double spathe that made me fell in love with it. Now i am wondering if this is the characteristic that point to a certain cultivar. Or maybe, is there any species that produces this double spathe?> > > > I found it in a Plant Fair here in Puerto Rico. And it seems like it is a certain variety and not an abnormaly in a specific plant, because, apart from my plant, there was another plant with the same double spathe. Any one can tell me more about this.> > > > Another curious thing is that the bigger spathe is Butt erfly-shapped, while the smaller one is more heart-shapped.> > > > Any thoughts?> > > > Thank you,> > Jorge Joel...> > > ------------------------------> > Message: 2> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 07:49:41 -0400> From: "derek burch" > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe.> To: "'Discussion of aroids'" > Message-ID: <001601c8d070$3b15ad10$6700a8c0 at derek>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > Lucky you, Jorge. A few years ago Anthura (I think) had a range of examples> of "doubles" in their stand at 'Hort Fair' in Amsterdam. I have checked with> them since then, and they say that they have not proceeded with this line of> development as a commercial possibility. We all seem to go for novelty, but> 'ordinary' anthuriums are so attractive that I am happy to settle for what I> have.> > > > Check the aroid-l gallery for a few pictures of the "doubles".> > > > Derek> > > > -----Original Message-----> From: aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com [ mailto:aroid-l-bounces at gizmoworks.com]> On Behalf Of JORGE JOEL TORRES-RIVERA> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2008 8:41 PM> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com> Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe.> > > > Hello! I just wanted to share with you guys my new Anthurium. It has a red,> double spathe that made me fell in love with it. Now i am wondering if this> is the characteristic that point to a certain cultivar. Or maybe, is there> any species that produces this double spathe?> > I found it in a Plant Fair here in Puerto Rico. And it seems like it is a> certain variety and not an abnormaly in a specific plant, because, apart> from my plant, there was another plant with the same double spathe. Any one> can tell me more about this. > > Another curious thing is that the bigger spathe is Butterfly-shapped, while> the smaller one is more heart-shapped.> > Any thoughts?> > Thank you,> Jorge Joel...> > -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailma n/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080617/e192626d/attachment.html > > ------------------------------> > Message: 3> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 08:55:52 -0400> From: ronmchatton at aol.com> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Premature amorphophallus dormancy> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com> Message-ID: <8CA9E909BBE9CD3-1734-5C3 at webmail-de16.sysops.aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed> > It's probably to early to tell but in all likelihood it will drop that > leaf and put up a new one. I've had that happen before when leaves are > damaged. A great deal depends on how significant the damage and how > early in the season it happens. There's nothing you can do if that > leaf is being shed. I would just watch it for signs of new growth. If > the old corm hadn't been completely absorbed yet it's still there along > with whatever new corm was being formed and they will usually just put > up a new leaf.> > Ron McHatton> Central Florida, Zone 9> > > -----Original Message-----> From: E.Vincent Morano < ironious2 at yahoo.com>> To: Discussion of aroids > Sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 1:39 am> Subject: [Aroid-l] Premature amorphophallus dormancy> > > > > > > > I just purchased a large A.henryi that looked already fully grown for > the year. Its about 18 inches tall and its about 3 years old.The guy I > got it from said that he was growing it in full sun. So I put it in > full sun only to have it get badly burned. I know that some amorphs can > be grown in full sun if you start them there because I have done it > before. Anyway, It is starting to get vertical wrinkles on the petiole > as if it is starting to go dormant. Does anyone know if it will just go > dormant for the season and be fine? Or is it possible that it will die? > About half of the leaves were sunburned.> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> Aroid-L mailing list> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l> > > > ------------------------------> > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:11:16 +0200> From: "Marek Argent" > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe.> To: "Discussion of aroids" > Message-ID: <001b01c8d084$02ec9a20$0b01a8c0 at vaasgard>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"> > Yes, some cultivated aroids often produce double spathes especially when they are in bad condition, although there are cultivars which produce always two spathes like some Anthurium, Spathiphyllum and Zantedeschia. Many garden companies treat the plants with special chemical substances to produce such inflorescences, but as you buy them the next flowers are normal (or even sometimes the plants die). You can see some examples of such odd inflorescences in the www.aroid.org website. > > Best,> Marek Argent> www.wschowa.com/abrimaal/araceum/> > ----- Original Message ----- > From: JORGE JOEL TORRES-RIVERA > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:41 AM> Subject: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe.> > > Hello! I just wanted to share with you guys my new Anthurium. It has a red, double spathe that made me fell in love with it. Now i am wondering if this is the characteristic that point to a certain cultivar. Or maybe, is there any species that produces this double spathe?> > I found it in a Plant Fair here in Puerto Rico. And it seems like it is a certain variety and not an abnormaly in a specific plant, because, apart from my plant, there was another plant with the same double spathe. Any one can tell me more about this. > > Another curious thing is that the bigger spathe is Butterfly-shapped, while the smaller one is more heart-shapped.> > Any thoughts?> > Thank you,> Jorge Joel...> > > __________ NOD32 Informacje 3192 (20080616) __________> > Wiadomosc zostala sprawdzona przez System Antywirusowy NOD32> http://www.nod32.com lub http://www.nod32.pl> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------> > > _______________________________________________> Aroid- L mailing list> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l> -------------- next part --------------> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...> URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080617/60da670b/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------> > _______________________________________________> Aroid-L mailing list> Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l> > > End of Aroid-L Digest, Vol 47, Issue 69> *************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: jardin_emilia at hotmail.com (JORGE JOEL TORRES-RIVERA) on 2008.06.20 at 16:33:24(17875) Hello! Julius, thank you very much for all the info and for advicing looking at the next Aroideana. I will be anxiously waiting for the new issue to read your work. The double spathe is a very interesting theme. A new inflorescence is developing and it also has a double spathe, but i guess it is too early to say if this characteristic will persist on my plant, or for how much time it will be present. Only the years to come will tell. In the meantime, i will just be happy to have it. Cheers, Jorge Joel... +More > From: jardin_emilia at hotmail.com> To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com> Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:46:40 -0400> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Anthurium with double spathe. Dear Jorge and All, It is my OPINION (based on information kindly given to me by others!) that these deformaties/double spathes are caused by one or several of the chemicals used in the tissue culture process. A few deformed Anthurium spathes MIGHT be caused by genitics, or a trait being bred into a specific strain of Anthurium, but this would be a rarity.This topic has been discussed before on aroid-l, and many examples given both by description and also by photos which were submitted. The genera involved were mainly within Spathiphyllum, Anthurium, and Zantedschia, all of which are produced commercially by the millions of plants by tissue culture.Look for a paper in the next issue of Aroideana where I give a few of the ''tricks of the trade''/chemicals used on the tiny plantlets for the Companies to achieve the certain size and ''look'' on their pl ants they hope will attract buyers, and to sell by the millions. The effects of these chemicals persist for YEARS on these plants. The plant in question in my article is Philodendron xanadu, which commonly exibits deformed/double spathes and double leaves. Good Growing, Julius > Hello! Ohh! So this is a result of tissue culturing? And there is a posibility that this plant will stop producing these double spathes? Well... somehow this is a little deceptioning. At least the spathe has a great color. If there are no more doubles, at least the color will look really great in my collection.> > Thanks to every body for all the help!> Cheers,> Jorge Joel... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080620/761dcd1e/attachment-0001.htm

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