Mosterar deliciosa--info. on different clones.

From: ju-bo at msn.com (ju-bo at msn.com) on 2008.07.07 at 10:07:59(18096) ---------------------------------------- > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:12:03 -0700 > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa Dear Jason, Leyland and all Aroidophiles, Aloha. Vol 1 no. 1 also gave up another titbit of great information, as in his profile of Monstera deliciosa Madison states that "Several of the wild clones which are not widely grown are dwarf forms, achieving olny one third the size of the common ones." The synonyms he lists are also interesting, and food for someone with a better computer that I own to investigate. First off, the ''correct'' name is Monstera deliciosa Lieb., Kjoeb, Vidensk, Meddel 19: 9 (1849). The synonyms Madison lists are, in order--M. borsigiana Engler [could this name be based on the, or one of the dwarf forms which we saw a photo of from Marak, and which had this name attached???]; M. lennea Koch; Monstera tacanensis Matuda; Philodendron pertusum Kunth & Bouche; (???) and Tornelia fragrans Guttierez. To me it would be an interesting exercise to attempt to determine the ''why'' concerning these great taxonomists describing another specimen of such a VERY distinctive plant as a new species. If we could view the specimens invol ved, we just might learn that some of them, especially those of Koch, that of Matuda and Guttierez`s, might be the smaller dwarf forms which to them might have seemed to be distinct. I see where "Philodendron'' pertusa Kunth & Bouche is mentioned, we now know (thanks to Pete) this this is an Asain Raphiodophora sp. which in fact does resemble Monstera deliciosa. Ah, so much to ponder and learn, and so little time! Aloha. Good Growing, Julius +More >>Dear Jason, Aloha. I took a quick look at the cover of the first Aroidiana online and did not see Monstera deliciosa...so perhaps the caption is correct...but I am not familiar with Monstera acuminata, so unless I can check the description and herbarium sheet of a vouchered specimen..I could not verify this species. I would trust Michael Madison...Monstera acuminata K.Koch is an accepted name according to Kew. Monstera acuminata is very beautiful as I look at the photo. I'll check if we grow it here in Hawaii somewhere. The table of contents mentions an aroid profile of Monstera deliciosa, so perhaps this is where that memory popped in. I do not believe there is chaos in this case. Aloha, Leland<< > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mossytrail wrote: > > > From: mossytrail > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:26 PM > > >It > > > dawned on me this morning I left out the part about > > > Monstera deliciosa having been the first plant > > featured on > > > a cover of Aroideana, so I've got a little more > > work to > > > do! > > > > > So, is this yet another example of "Chaos in Monstera > > names"? According to the caption, that cover features > > "An > > aroid laden tree in Chiapas, Mexico, with Monstera > > acuminata, Philodendron scandens, and Philodendron > > radiatum." > > > > Jason Hernandez > > Naturalist-at-Large > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.07.08 at 01:59:20(18107) Dear Monstera aficionados, Aloha. You'd think that a species so ubiquitous as Monstera deliciosa would be extremely well known and documented. It seems we are slowly teasing out this information from the archives of dust. Is there somewhere this information can be posted on the IAS website once we collectively untangle this? Steve Lucas can add some of this to his article on Monstera deliciosa...but there should be some easily posted text on the species gallery? Thoughts to ponder, but this discussion has been educational and enjoyable....time well spent. Aloha, Leland +More --- On Mon, 7/7/08, ju-bo at msn.com wrote: > From: ju-bo at msn.com > Subject: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa--info. on different clones. > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 12:07 AM > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:12:03 -0700 > > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa > > > > Dear Jason, Leyland and all Aroidophiles, > > Aloha. > Vol 1 no. 1 also gave up another titbit of great > information, as in his profile of Monstera deliciosa > Madison states that "Several of the wild clones which > are not widely grown are dwarf forms, achieving olny one > third the size of the common ones." The synonyms he > lists are also interesting, and food for someone with a > better computer that I own to investigate. First off, the > ''correct'' name is Monstera deliciosa > Lieb., Kjoeb, Vidensk, Meddel 19: 9 (1849). The synonyms > Madison lists are, in order--M. borsigiana Engler [could > this name be based on the, or one of the dwarf forms which > we saw a photo of from Marak, and which had this name > attached???]; M. lennea Koch; Monstera tacanensis Matuda; > Philodendron pertusum Kunth & Bouche; (???) and Tornelia > fragrans Guttierez. To me it would be an interesting > exercise to attempt to determine the > ''why'' concerning these great taxonomists > describing another specimen of such a VERY distinctive > plant as a new species. If > we could view the specimens involved, we just might learn > that some of them, especially those of Koch, that of Matuda > and Guttierez`s, might be the smaller dwarf forms which to > them might have seemed to be distinct. > I see where "Philodendron'' pertusa Kunth > & Bouche is mentioned, we now know (thanks to Pete) > this this is an Asain Raphiodophora sp. which in fact does > resemble Monstera deliciosa. > Ah, so much to ponder and learn, and so little time! > Aloha. > > Good Growing, > > Julius > > >>Dear Jason, > > Aloha. > I took a quick look at the cover of the first Aroidiana > online and did not see Monstera deliciosa...so perhaps the > caption is correct...but I am not familiar with Monstera > acuminata, so unless I can check the description and > herbarium sheet of a vouchered specimen..I could not verify > this species. I would trust Michael Madison...Monstera > acuminata K.Koch is an accepted name according to Kew. > Monstera acuminata is very beautiful as I look at the > photo. I'll check if we grow it here in Hawaii > somewhere. The table of contents mentions an aroid profile > of Monstera deliciosa, so perhaps this is where that memory > popped in. I do not believe there is chaos in this case. > Aloha, > Leland<< > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mossytrail > wrote: > > > > > From: mossytrail > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:26 PM > > > >It > > > > dawned on me this morning I left out the > part about > > > > Monstera deliciosa having been the first > plant > > > featured on > > > > a cover of Aroideana, so I've got a > little more > > > work to > > > > do! > > > > > > > So, is this yet another example of "Chaos in > Monstera > > > names"? According to the caption, that > cover features > > > "An > > > aroid laden tree in Chiapas, Mexico, with > Monstera > > > acuminata, Philodendron scandens, and > Philodendron > > > radiatum." > > > > > > Jason Hernandez > > > Naturalist-at-Large > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Aroid-L mailing list > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: ju-bo at msn.com (ju-bo at msn.com) on 2008.07.08 at 23:54:04(18118) ---------------------------------------- > Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:59:20 -0700 > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa--info. on different clones. Dear Leyland and Monstera friends, Aloha. Great idea, as collectively we certainly have compiled a bunch of fantastic info. from all or many corners! It would be great to have it all on one page or in one site! Maybe Steve Lucas` site?? Aloha, Julius +More >>> Dear Monstera aficionados, > > Aloha. > > You'd think that a species so ubiquitous as Monstera deliciosa would be extremely well known and documented. It seems we are slowly teasing out this information from the archives of dust. Is there somewhere this information can be posted on the IAS website once we collectively untangle this? Steve Lucas can add some of this to his article on Monstera deliciosa...but there should be some easily posted text on the species gallery? > > Thoughts to ponder, but this discussion has been educational and enjoyable....time well spent. > > Aloha, > > Leland > > > --- On Mon, 7/7/08, ju-bo at msn.com wrote: > > > From: ju-bo at msn.com > > Subject: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa--info. on different clones. > > To: "Discussion of aroids" > > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 12:07 AM > > ---------------------------------------- > > > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:12:03 -0700 > > > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa > > > > > > > > Dear Jason, Leyland and all Aroidophiles, > > > > Aloha. > > Vol 1 no. 1 also gave up another titbit of great > > information, as in his profile of Monstera deliciosa > > Madison states that "Several of the wild clones which > > are not widely grown are dwarf forms, achieving olny one > > third the size of the common ones." The synonyms he > > lists are also interesting, and food for someone with a > > better computer that I own to investigate. First off, the > > ''correct'' name is Monstera deliciosa > > Lieb., Kjoeb, Vidensk, Meddel 19: 9 (1849). The synonyms > > Madison lists are, in order--M. borsigiana Engler [could > > this name be based on the, or one of the dwarf forms which > > we saw a photo of from Marak, and which had this name > > attached???]; M. lennea Koch; Monstera tacanensis Matuda; > > Philodendron pertusum Kunth & Bouche; (???) and Tornelia > > fragrans Guttierez. To me it would be an interesting > > exercise to attempt to determine the > > ''why'' concerning these great taxonomists > > describing another specimen of such a VERY distinctive > > plant as a new species. If > > we could view the specimens involved, we just might learn > > that some of them, especially those of Koch, that of Matuda > > and Guttierez`s, might be the smaller dwarf forms which to > > them might have seemed to be distinct. > > I see where "Philodendron'' pertusa Kunth > > & Bouche is mentioned, we now know (thanks to Pete) > > this this is an Asain Raphiodophora sp. which in fact does > > resemble Monstera deliciosa. > > Ah, so much to ponder and learn, and so little time! > > Aloha. > > > > Good Growing, > > > > Julius > > > > >>Dear Jason, > > > > Aloha. > > I took a quick look at the cover of the first Aroidiana > > online and did not see Monstera deliciosa...so perhaps the > > caption is correct...but I am not familiar with Monstera > > acuminata, so unless I can check the description and > > herbarium sheet of a vouchered specimen..I could not verify > > this species. I would trust Michael Madison...Monstera > > acuminata K.Koch is an accepted name according to Kew. > > Monstera acuminata is very beautiful as I look at the > > photo. I'll check if we grow it here in Hawaii > > somewhere. The table of contents mentions an aroid profile > > of Monstera deliciosa, so perhaps this is where that memory > > popped in. I do not believe there is chaos in this case. > > Aloha, > > Leland<< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mossytrail > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: mossytrail > > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa > > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:26 PM > > > > >It > > > > > dawned on me this morning I left out the > > part about > > > > > Monstera deliciosa having been the first > > plant > > > > featured on > > > > > a cover of Aroideana, so I've got a > > little more > > > > work to > > > > > do! > > > > > > > > > So, is this yet another example of "Chaos in > > Monstera > > > > names"? According to the caption, that > > cover features > > > > "An > > > > aroid laden tree in Chiapas, Mexico, with > > Monstera > > > > acuminata, Philodendron scandens, and > > Philodendron > > > > radiatum." > > > > > > > > Jason Hernandez > > > > Naturalist-at-Large > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Aroid-L mailing list > > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > > > > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Aroid-L mailing list > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: Steve at ExoticRainforest.com (ExoticRainforest) on 2008.07.09 at 20:51:51(18125) JuBo, I've made some updates to the page but will gladly add anything any of you think I need to add or fix. This is the file that totally vanished but I managed to find most of the material. You can see what I've done here: http://www.exoticrainforest.com/Monstera%20deliciosa%20large%20pc.html Please do point out anything that needs to be corrected. Steve +More Dear Leyland and Monstera friends, Aloha. Great idea, as collectively we certainly have compiled a bunch of fantastic info. from all or many corners! It would be great to have it all on one page or in one site! Maybe Steve Lucas` site?? Aloha, Julius -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/private/aroid-l/attachments/20080709/4bc3e866/attachment-0001.htm

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