Mostera deliciosa--info. on different clones.

From: leu242 at yahoo.com (Eric Schmidt) on 2008.07.07 at 21:55:44(18106) Here is the small leaf form we have in the collection. It has grown about 15ft up a tree. It is currently flowering and fruiting. In the last photo you can see seedlings ferminating at the base of the tree. http://tinyurl.com/5vlzz5 http://tinyurl.com/68ebde http://tinyurl.com/5p3u8r Eric +More Orlando,FL --- ju-bo at msn.com wrote: > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:12:03 -0700 > > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa > > > > Dear Jason, Leyland and all Aroidophiles, > > Aloha. > Vol 1 no. 1 also gave up another titbit of great > information, as in his profile of Monstera deliciosa > Madison states that "Several of the wild clones > which are not widely grown are dwarf forms, > achieving olny one third the size of the common > ones." The synonyms he lists are also interesting, > and food for someone with a better computer that I > own to investigate. First off, the ''correct'' > name is Monstera deliciosa Lieb., Kjoeb, Vidensk, > Meddel 19: 9 (1849). The synonyms Madison lists > are, in order--M. borsigiana Engler [could this > name be based on the, or one of the dwarf forms > which we saw a photo of from Marak, and which had > this name attached???]; M. lennea Koch; Monstera > tacanensis Matuda; Philodendron pertusum Kunth & > Bouche; (???) and Tornelia fragrans Guttierez. To > me it would be an interesting exercise to attempt to > determine the ''why'' concerning these great > taxonomists describing another specimen of such a > VERY distinctive plant as a new species. If > we could view the specimens involved, we just might > learn that some of them, especially those of Koch, > that of Matuda and Guttierez`s, might be the smaller > dwarf forms which to them might have seemed to be > distinct. > I see where "Philodendron'' pertusa Kunth & Bouche > is mentioned, we now know (thanks to Pete) this this > is an Asain Raphiodophora sp. which in fact does > resemble Monstera deliciosa. > Ah, so much to ponder and learn, and so little time! > Aloha. > > Good Growing, > > Julius > > >>Dear Jason, > > Aloha. > I took a quick look at the cover of the first > Aroidiana online and did not see Monstera > deliciosa...so perhaps the caption is correct...but > I am not familiar with Monstera acuminata, so unless > I can check the description and herbarium sheet of a > vouchered specimen..I could not verify this species. > I would trust Michael Madison...Monstera acuminata > K.Koch is an accepted name according to Kew. > Monstera acuminata is very beautiful as I look at > the photo. I'll check if we grow it here in Hawaii > somewhere. The table of contents mentions an aroid > profile of Monstera deliciosa, so perhaps this is > where that memory popped in. I do not believe there > is chaos in this case. > Aloha, > Leland<< > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mossytrail > wrote: > > > > > From: mossytrail > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:26 PM > > > >It > > > > dawned on me this morning I left out the part > about > > > > Monstera deliciosa having been the first plant > > > featured on > > > > a cover of Aroideana, so I've got a little > more > > > work to > > > > do! > > > > > > > So, is this yet another example of "Chaos in > Monstera > > > names"? According to the caption, that cover > features > > > "An > > > aroid laden tree in Chiapas, Mexico, with > Monstera > > > acuminata, Philodendron scandens, and > Philodendron > > > radiatum." > > > > > > Jason Hernandez > > > Naturalist-at-Large > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Aroid-L mailing list > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l >

From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com (brian lee) on 2008.07.08 at 17:40:44(18112) Dear Eric, Aloha and mahalo for posting these photos...it is wonderful that you took flowering and fruiting plants...and that you show evidence of viable seed being produced. Aloha, Leland +More --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Eric Schmidt wrote: > From: Eric Schmidt > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mostera deliciosa--info. on different clones. > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Monday, July 7, 2008, 11:55 AM > Here is the small leaf form we have in the collection. > It has grown about 15ft up a tree. It is currently > flowering and fruiting. In the last photo you can see > seedlings ferminating at the base of the tree. > > http://tinyurl.com/5vlzz5 > > http://tinyurl.com/68ebde > > http://tinyurl.com/5p3u8r > > Eric > Orlando,FL > > > > > > --- ju-bo at msn.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:12:03 -0700 > > > From: lbmkjm at yahoo.com > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa > > > > > > > > Dear Jason, Leyland and all Aroidophiles, > > > > Aloha. > > Vol 1 no. 1 also gave up another titbit of great > > information, as in his profile of Monstera deliciosa > > Madison states that "Several of the wild clones > > which are not widely grown are dwarf forms, > > achieving olny one third the size of the common > > ones." The synonyms he lists are also > interesting, > > and food for someone with a better computer that I > > own to investigate. First off, the > ''correct'' > > name is Monstera deliciosa Lieb., Kjoeb, Vidensk, > > Meddel 19: 9 (1849). The synonyms Madison lists > > are, in order--M. borsigiana Engler [could this > > name be based on the, or one of the dwarf forms > > which we saw a photo of from Marak, and which had > > this name attached???]; M. lennea Koch; Monstera > > tacanensis Matuda; Philodendron pertusum Kunth & > > Bouche; (???) and Tornelia fragrans Guttierez. To > > me it would be an interesting exercise to attempt to > > determine the ''why'' concerning these > great > > taxonomists describing another specimen of such a > > VERY distinctive plant as a new species. If > > we could view the specimens involved, we just might > > learn that some of them, especially those of Koch, > > that of Matuda and Guttierez`s, might be the smaller > > dwarf forms which to them might have seemed to be > > distinct. > > I see where "Philodendron'' pertusa > Kunth & Bouche > > is mentioned, we now know (thanks to Pete) this this > > is an Asain Raphiodophora sp. which in fact does > > resemble Monstera deliciosa. > > Ah, so much to ponder and learn, and so little time! > > Aloha. > > > > Good Growing, > > > > Julius > > > > >>Dear Jason, > > > > Aloha. > > I took a quick look at the cover of the first > > Aroidiana online and did not see Monstera > > deliciosa...so perhaps the caption is correct...but > > I am not familiar with Monstera acuminata, so unless > > I can check the description and herbarium sheet of a > > vouchered specimen..I could not verify this species. > > I would trust Michael Madison...Monstera acuminata > > K.Koch is an accepted name according to Kew. > > Monstera acuminata is very beautiful as I look at > > the photo. I'll check if we grow it here in Hawaii > > somewhere. The table of contents mentions an aroid > > profile of Monstera deliciosa, so perhaps this is > > where that memory popped in. I do not believe there > > is chaos in this case. > > Aloha, > > Leland<< > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/3/08, mossytrail > > wrote: > > > > > > > From: mossytrail > > > > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Mosterar deliciosa > > > > To: aroid-l at gizmoworks.com > > > > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 3:26 PM > > > > >It > > > > > dawned on me this morning I left out > the part > > about > > > > > Monstera deliciosa having been the > first plant > > > > featured on > > > > > a cover of Aroideana, so I've got a > little > > more > > > > work to > > > > > do! > > > > > > > > > So, is this yet another example of > "Chaos in > > Monstera > > > > names"? According to the caption, that > cover > > features > > > > "An > > > > aroid laden tree in Chiapas, Mexico, with > > Monstera > > > > acuminata, Philodendron scandens, and > > Philodendron > > > > radiatum." > > > > > > > > Jason Hernandez > > > > Naturalist-at-Large > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Aroid-L mailing list > > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > > > > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Aroid-L mailing list > > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L at www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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