Aroid breeding problems+ Anthurium specific issues

From: brian lee <lbmkjm at yahoo.com> on 2009.01.10 at 19:30:35(18882) Dear Aroid-l Aloha. I have some large growing Anthurium...no data, so I do not know if they are species or hybrids. They are beautiful. I do not want to hybridize them in case they are species, so I have attempted to self them. Does anyone have any tips for collecting the spare pollen and then, is there a preferred method of storage? I can barely get any pollen from the spadixes and a goodly amount tends to fall away. These are planted in a landscape, so I do not have the luxury of being indoors in a wind free environment. Some of the spadixes seem to set fruit, only to have them abort soon after. All advice would be gratefully received. Aloha, Leland +More --- On Tue, 1/6/09, mossytrail wrote: > From: mossytrail > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid breeding problems > To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:34 PM > > I know this may open a box of worms, but I am curious > if > > these plants are said to evolve from one another then > why > > are these barricades even present? I can see this > being > > more difficult for other genus but for different > species > > it seems very odd. You would think more genus crosses > > would be more frequent and not as rare as they seem to > be > > as well. Just my thoughts. > > > That is part of the speciation process. As long as two > forms are still interfertile, someone can argue they are > still the same species. Two subspecies become two species > when they lose the ability to interbreed. > > As far as evolution, actually very little of it is the > result of hybridization. Rather the opposite: two > populations become isolated, and accumulate different > mutations in the different locations. This acumulation of > mutations eventually makes them different enough that they > can no longer interbreed -- at which time we say they have > speciated. > > Jason Hernandez > Naturalist-at-Large > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: "Windy Aubrey" <exotics at hawaii.rr.com> on 2009.01.10 at 21:40:31(18884) Aloha Leland, I would be happy to come by and see if I could help in identifying the unnamed Anthuriums you are growing, and offer some advise regarding their pollination. Windy +More ----- Original Message ----- From: "brian lee" To: "Discussion of aroids" Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid breeding problems+ Anthurium specific issues > Dear Aroid-l > > Aloha. > > I have some large growing Anthurium...no data, so I do not know if they > are species or hybrids. They are beautiful. I do not want to hybridize > them in case they are species, so I have attempted to self them. Does > anyone have any tips for collecting the spare pollen and then, is there a > preferred method of storage? I can barely get any pollen from the > spadixes and a goodly amount tends to fall away. These are planted in a > landscape, so I do not have the luxury of being indoors in a wind free > environment. Some of the spadixes seem to set fruit, only to have them > abort soon after. All advice would be gratefully received. > > Aloha, > > Leland > > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, mossytrail wrote: > >> From: mossytrail >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid breeding problems >> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com >> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:34 PM >> > I know this may open a box of worms, but I am curious >> if >> > these plants are said to evolve from one another then >> why >> > are these barricades even present? I can see this >> being >> > more difficult for other genus but for different >> species >> > it seems very odd. You would think more genus crosses >> > would be more frequent and not as rare as they seem to >> be >> > as well. Just my thoughts. >> > >> That is part of the speciation process. As long as two >> forms are still interfertile, someone can argue they are >> still the same species. Two subspecies become two species >> when they lose the ability to interbreed. >> >> As far as evolution, actually very little of it is the >> result of hybridization. Rather the opposite: two >> populations become isolated, and accumulate different >> mutations in the different locations. This acumulation of >> mutations eventually makes them different enough that they >> can no longer interbreed -- at which time we say they have >> speciated. >> >> Jason Hernandez >> Naturalist-at-Large >> _______________________________________________ >> Aroid-L mailing list >> Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

From: brian lee <lbmkjm at yahoo.com> on 2009.01.11 at 09:00:34(18892) Dear Windy, Aloha. I would love the help. I have been extremely busy lately, traveling and working, so give a call to set up a meeting. Sundays seem to be the best, but this is not always the case. Aloha, Leland +More --- On Sat, 1/10/09, Windy Aubrey wrote: > From: Windy Aubrey > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid breeding problems+ Anthurium specific issues > To: "Discussion of aroids" > Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 11:40 AM > Aloha Leland, > > I would be happy to come by and see if I could help in > identifying the > unnamed Anthuriums you are growing, and offer some advise > regarding their > pollination. > > Windy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "brian lee" > To: "Discussion of aroids" > > Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2009 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid breeding problems+ Anthurium > specific issues > > > > Dear Aroid-l > > > > Aloha. > > > > I have some large growing Anthurium...no data, so I do > not know if they > > are species or hybrids. They are beautiful. I do not > want to hybridize > > them in case they are species, so I have attempted to > self them. Does > > anyone have any tips for collecting the spare pollen > and then, is there a > > preferred method of storage? I can barely get any > pollen from the > > spadixes and a goodly amount tends to fall away. > These are planted in a > > landscape, so I do not have the luxury of being > indoors in a wind free > > environment. Some of the spadixes seem to set fruit, > only to have them > > abort soon after. All advice would be gratefully > received. > > > > Aloha, > > > > Leland > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/6/09, mossytrail > wrote: > > > >> From: mossytrail > >> Subject: Re: [Aroid-l] Aroid breeding problems > >> To: aroid-l@gizmoworks.com > >> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2009, 2:34 PM > >> > I know this may open a box of worms, but I am > curious > >> if > >> > these plants are said to evolve from one > another then > >> why > >> > are these barricades even present? I can see > this > >> being > >> > more difficult for other genus but for > different > >> species > >> > it seems very odd. You would think more genus > crosses > >> > would be more frequent and not as rare as > they seem to > >> be > >> > as well. Just my thoughts. > >> > > >> That is part of the speciation process. As long > as two > >> forms are still interfertile, someone can argue > they are > >> still the same species. Two subspecies become two > species > >> when they lose the ability to interbreed. > >> > >> As far as evolution, actually very little of it is > the > >> result of hybridization. Rather the opposite: two > >> populations become isolated, and accumulate > different > >> mutations in the different locations. This > acumulation of > >> mutations eventually makes them different enough > that they > >> can no longer interbreed -- at which time we say > they have > >> speciated. > >> > >> Jason Hernandez > >> Naturalist-at-Large > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Aroid-L mailing list > >> Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > >> http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Aroid-L mailing list > > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Aroid-L mailing list > Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com > http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l _______________________________________________ Aroid-L mailing list Aroid-L@www.gizmoworks.com http://www.gizmoworks.com/mailman/listinfo/aroid-l

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